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[GIJaamac]

There is no southern politician/leader whom will allow a referendum in northern Somalia....whatever they may say.
P/L will demand a referendum followed by J/Land.

"Because we were once colonised by the British", is not enough.
If one tribal region is allowed to secede then the precedent has been set for other tribal regions to follow.

Stupid dirty waqooyi. The referendum will inshallah happed in SL hopefully. Puntland with khaatumo can fuck off. Nobody cares about those shitholes. And for the last time there is no such thing as "Jubbaland", it's called Interim Jubba administration.
Gedo and Afmadow district can fuck off too, gaajada hanaga hartee.
The rest off Jubooyinka will stay with HAG.

[Khalid Ali]

@ Historic Border

Are you saying its not an historic border the same border you have with your Kenyan brothers. Unless you believe mama khadija drew your borders

[Khalid Ali]

outlaw do puntlanders want independence why dont we hear it than from them ever? i have no problem if you guys break away to, hey i am not a hater waxad isla jeceshihin waan idin la jecelahay.

[outlaw112]

outlaw do puntlanders want independence why dont we hear it than from them ever? i have no problem if you guys break away to, hey i am not a hater waxad isla jeceshihin waan idin la jecelahay.

Well I'm not a hater either not apposed to sl independence. Anyway we puntlanders don't like to play with open cards we will reveal our hand when the time is mature to do so

[SultanOrder]

@ Historic Border

Are you saying its not an historic border the same border you have with your Kenyan brothers. Unless you believe mama khadija drew your borders

Somaliland was a british territory, with arbitrary borders, to have historic borders you would have to have a history as a nation for a prolonged period of time, there are no historic borders in existence in africa or middle east, dhamaan waa wada lines niman cadaan map ku qoreen, ha is waalina

[Khalid Ali]

Its just the way you put it in context they can be historical compared with the newly adopted boundaries in 1960 , there is a huge time span between the 2 dates 1884 and 1960. Mapkaas nimanka cadaanku wada xariqeen sawta lugu wada socdo

[Khalid Ali]

outlaw do puntlanders want independence why dont we hear it than from them ever? i have no problem if you guys break away to, hey i am not a hater waxad isla jeceshihin waan idin la jecelahay.

Well I'm not a hater either not apposed to sl independence. Anyway we puntlanders don't like to play with open cards we will reveal our hand when the time is mature to do so

in other words there are no independence aspirations nor unity one but u would want independence if Somaliland officially breaks away in the eyes of the IC

[original dervish]

Khalid......from where will this mediator come....whom will deliver S/L independence/referendum?
Seems to me your just re-hashing the old "foreign powers will recognise us" nonsense.
That old canard was used for 20 years in s/l politics, I suppose "we will get a referendum", will be used for another 20 years.

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid......from where will this mediator come....whom will deliver S/L independence/referendum?
Seems to me your just re-hashing the old "foreign powers will recognise us" nonsense.
That old canard was used for 20 years in s/l politics, I suppose "we will get a referendum", will be used for another 20 years.

No that's the outcome of the talks these mediators will come from those who initiated these talks from the get go the Europeans, they said the 2 sides must clarify their future relations and the IC will support it. but the 2 talked for nearly 2 years and a dead lock now this will be taken back to those Europeans who came with these talks from the beginning and they have to mediate, and thats where the referendum comes in as a compramise i mean the south will not accept SL independence we know this if they were they would've accepted it long time ago. But both sides will reach a compramise with the blessings of the IC. And i believe something along the lines the southerners will be given a platform to promote their cancerous union in Somaliland and Somaliland will be given a UN supervised referendum on independence in a few years time whether they want union or separation , i think that will come out once mediation starts. What do you think what will come out of these talks dont tell me what u want to come out but what do you think is possible that can come out of these talks.

[sahal80]

Sahal the talks will end in a dead lock and eventually collapse with out proper mediation they will not reach a settlement Somalia has little space when it comes to Somaliland and for somaliland it has so little space to come to an agreement.

If the southerners want politicians from somalia to be allowed in Somaliland they need to concede much more on their side
The 2 sides to restore relations
Somalia to given a chance to promote unionism inside Somaliland with the consent of Somaliland and allowed to go there and hold rallies gatherings
Somaliland to allow to hold UN supervised referendum on independence in 5 years time.
While the 2 sides keep their respectable governments.

I think other than that the 2 cannot agree.

I think that is a fair compromise

The talks are internationally backed and its even one of this govts big cards to stay in the power but the world doesn't pressure maybe the oil companies in the future.

Now the problem that somaliland side has is about the airspace. The somali interior is too close to somaliland so he promised them to sort it out jointly to the point of forming a joint committee to the concerned side.

This guy is powerful in the regime but the airspace point is not accepted internationally and the aviation minister has done it as an agreement between somalia and the international organization.

Let us wait and see!

[original dervish]

Khalid....the talks will continue and S/L will receive some goodies from the IC for attending.
The southerners will concede nothing......it`s in their nature.
As long as they keep talking the gravy train will continue.

Kashmir was promised a plebiscite more 60 years ago....Western Sahara more than 40 years ago.
S/L have not yet even been promised a referendum, let alone carry one out.

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid....the talks will continue and S/L will receive some goodies from the IC for attending.
The southerners will concede nothing......it`s in their nature.
As long as they keep talking the gravy train will continue.

Kashmir was promised a plebiscite more 60 years ago....Western Sahara more than 40 years ago.
S/L have not yet even been promised a referendum, let alone carry one out.

But what you fail to realize is that the Koonfurians will always get aid whether we are part of Somalia or not in the eyes of the IC , they already eat the talks will continue ofcourse but at some stage it will reach a dead end i know both sides cannot concede much on the political aspect of the these talks. Kashmir is in between 2 regional nuclear powers. Western sahara has barely any territorial control. although it received African union recognition. Somaliland has not many big powers against Somaliland other than the hairy arabs for obvious reasons. The Koonfurians will defend the cancerous union for as long as they can but eventually they will give in. Their survival is not linked to Somaliland being part of Somalia or not. Original dervish the southerners sold parts of Somali waters , these people live and die for beeso. Do you really think they are deeply attached to Somaliland or the Somaliweyn cause. We were away for the past 22 years did they miss us not really, they like their wallets to be filled by the Europeans and Turks to feed their children, and Bantus to protect their leaders. But when it comes to it they don't really care much about it. You act as if we are Palestinians under occupation losing our land every single day lol I agree with one thing the process will be a bit longer than expected but than again the walanweyns might just drop the ball they are unpredictable by nature.

[original dervish]

You`ve proved my argument correct.

The southerners care nothing for Somalia, except how much aid/contracts they can trouser.
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain, as the sole recognised Government of Somalia.

S/L is without any backers or sponsors to fight it`s corner.
Ethiopia, whom a lot of secessionists consider their greatest ally, will never recognise or advocate for an independent S/L.
An unrecognised S/L is easier to control and manage.

[gurey25]

The talks cannot go on forever, there will come a point when results are to be expected this is where mediation comes in.
and Somaliland is not Saharawi republic, or kurdistan.
The balance of power is different, somaliland face no physical threat from powerfull neighbours, somaliland has issues with recognition of its dejure existance and status.

The international communtity wants a solution they will not allow the south to delay indefinatley like the isrealis do in the "peace talks".
Moqadishu does not want any talks it has no time, no interest no gain. if it was upto them there will never be any talks.

but they are not the drivers in this, the international community is pushing for what we have outlined in 1993, 1996, 2001, 2005 and 2010 continuously throughout 3 administrations.
Talks with a functioning government in moqadishu.

[oxymoron]

outlaw do puntlanders want independence why dont we hear it than from them ever? i have no problem if you guys break away to, hey i am not a hater waxad isla jeceshihin waan idin la jecelahay.

Ain't no body breaking the Union we built. You think we would just leave Somalia to the savages in South-Central Somalia?