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oxymoron wrote:
4.5 was the best thing to happen for hawiye since Islam.

The 4.5 formula has reached it's expiration date, excepting such a ridiculous method of Power sharing was the ultimate failure of our past leaders. They did it in good faith, but a total imbalance of political reality and power on the ground.

Parliament is suppose to represent actual political power, not some make believe bullshit like what we have today.

There is nothing fair about Power iyo politics. Hassan will be the last to come to power with 4.5 and will be shown the door when real political representation is caste across the nation or a Parliament that is not 4.5 come to power 2016. :mrgreen:
On the contrary, if the 4.5 system is cast aside, almost any nationwide electoral system existing in the world today would guarantee dominance to one group. Somalia's elections would resemble that of Argentina's where control of Buenos Aries along with support in a few other districts virtually assures the election for any one candidate. Banadirs 17 districts would be the king makers.

In the case of Somalia, geographical positioning determines political relevance so you're right, there is nothing fair about power and politics.
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MrPrestige wrote:This is getting boring. Does southern politics revolve around resignations?
It's more encompassing and complex than Somaliland politics; which call it what you may, revolves more or less around 3-4 sub clans of Isaaq.
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GeoSeven wrote:
oxymoron wrote:
4.5 was the best thing to happen for hawiye since Islam.

The 4.5 formula has reached it's expiration date, excepting such a ridiculous method of Power sharing was the ultimate failure of our past leaders. They did it in good faith, but a total imbalance of political reality and power on the ground.

Parliament is suppose to represent actual political power, not some make believe bullshit like what we have today.

There is nothing fair about Power iyo politics. Hassan will be the last to come to power with 4.5 and will be shown the door when real political representation is caste across the nation or a Parliament that is not 4.5 come to power 2016. :mrgreen:
On the contrary, if the 4.5 system is cast aside, almost any nationwide electoral system existing in the world today would guarantee dominance to one group. Somalia's elections would resemble that of Argentina's where control of Buenos Aries along with support in a few other districts virtually assures the election for any one candidate. Banadirs 17 districts would be the king makers.

In the case of Somalia, geographical positioning determines political relevance so you're right, there is nothing fair about power and politics.
Horta there is no way Somalia will be ready for a Nation-wide one-man one-vote by 2016. We will have the Parliament once again elect our President. The only difference this time is 4.5 formula will not be used and Parliament members will be based on the original 18 regions, 10 MPs will represent each region equally. :mrgreen:

It's that or Xamar returning to anarchy and dissolving the Somali Republic. As for the out cry that will come out from Mogadishu 23,000 Adoon troops will make sure you toe the political agreements you signed onto and the West will make sure of that. :mrgreen:

ps: Nation wide elections will be won by the most laandheere and Corrupt. We will be beyond ready 2016, until than Hassan will be kept handycapped and his HAG dawlad destroyed prior to 2016. :stylin:
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GeoSeven wrote:
MrPrestige wrote:This is getting boring. Does southern politics revolve around resignations?
It's more encompassing and complex than Somaliland politics; which call it what you may, revolves more or less around 3-4 sub clans of Isaaq.
Totally different place with a few clans. I have been to djibouti and somalilanders are full in it just like the yemenis are full in saudi arabia. They have common roots. only khatumo is different.

Somalia is a real nation.
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:Don't roll ur eyes at me
I don't see that post who delated it? Are you a mod? All I said was this is a national issue and saacid is not a gedo governor :roll:
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Murax wrote:Twisted Logic,


Bro I notice a major of contradiction in Your post. For one You talk about the failure of the PM's cabinet, yet the cabinet was handpicked by the President. The cabinet failure is a direct indictment of Xassan Sh. As for the growing pains You speak of this chapter was supposed to be closed during the transitional era. A consitution was passed, and boundries between the different executive branches clearly defined. Anyways, it wasn't wishful thinking on My part but My analysis of the situation. Cabdirashid sharmake, Farmaajo, Gaas during the Shariif era and now in Xassan Sh's 1st year on the job looks like Saacid is out. What does this prove? That the PM is really a useless position, with the ministries, parlimient speaker etc. being even more of a joke. So essentially what You have is power centered around the President instead of a actual Government that is layered with clearly defined roles and nobody creeping out of the scope of their role. No matter how You slice it Somalia is not going to embrace Central rule, nor is that even a possibility considering the Federal Constitution. I think the reality that the only role with authority in this Government is the President the most predictable outcome is aggressive fragmentation of the Country will be kicked into overdrive. Nobody is gonna feel confident in the entire Somali Government resting on the shoulders of 1 man (Xassan Sh) or a clique (Dam Jadiid)

Murax

Seriously the problem is between dam jadid and the pm.

For them, saacid was a transitional from day one with only 10 ministers

They didn't let him to receive the IC or go to the outside world

Is farah abdulqadir who goes to arabia, UK...etc from the clan you mentioned it?


If the pm was from among them, he would have done the same jobs as them and had full trust as them but this is not accepted by the somali parties, civil society, regional countries, gulf countries, it will look like an islamic regime and non inclusive govt. Some westren circles even want a northern pm.

Thus, they are looking for a pro-muslim and arab world pm that dislikes the regional countries

Ismaacil buubaa has this character but he hails from north wich the govt is not yet ready for it

Saacid himself wanted to take advantage of the new deal also the ethiopian position by reducing the political islamists power but for the west bc of al shabaab these guys will stay in the power except some reports they are getting from kenya and ethiopia that they have link with al shabaab bc of stopping the army contracts with these countries so they created some attitude that dam jadid is the reason why the army hasn't made a progress in their year...one day they will come to them but not in this era. This is what saacid was saacid has miscalculated by not including them in the cabinet.
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The`Republic wrote:It may be true or not, but you basically copied verbatim this article whicb is circulating some tabloid websites

http://caasimada.com/mooshin-ka-dhan-ah ... baheystay/

Lol at "Tabloid" If I'm posting news I only post news that has basics not according just to the websites but to the politicians

As for sharif hassan, one of the three meetings is taking place in his house, as for jubba, macalim ibrahim who appeared during the kismayo conference and the talks he said saacid has to go as for the pm resigning within 48 hours I took it from one of the HOLs editors who said according to his adviser...as for puntland they don't support saacid, saacid has his gedo, few mps from his wife, khatumo mps like ali khalif and cawad cashara(not sure his origins though) few D&M

Means he didn't get enough mps

This is why I don't post one link or links, I do my maths and then post it :roll:
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48 hours wa la dhaafay and saacid is still chilling in villa somalia :Heh: :lol:
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:48 hours wa la dhaafay and saacid is still chilling in villa somalia :Heh: :lol:

He is. That fellow is not going any where until he gets paid. Garguurte needs to dig deep into his pockets. Saacid needs to :eat:
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AW, how wealthy was Saacid before he bacame PM? His wife and him both ran charities. Do you have a rough idea?
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PO,

Saacid and his wife are millionaires probably in the single digits before he became PM. Now I think they are in the double digits close to the triple digits section of the millionaire club.

All I know is that my close friend is waiting for his payday :eat: I am not going to knock him after all he threw some $$ my way but not as much as I expected.
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Tell me,with that kind of money, how many mps could he buy?
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Perfect_Order wrote:Tell me,with that kind of money, how many mps could he buy?
You will be deluded to think that any Somali PM will waste his own money on a Premiership position. Even in the event Saacid survives this round, the sword of impeachment will linger. He is not even a year and half old and he is already dealing with his third attempt to dissolve his government.
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Why not if the riches of the position bring you to the triple digits according to AW?
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I don't get it. Why is Saacid facing the sword? We all saw how the hard working farmajo got the boot supposedly for not listening to Sh. Sharif and now Saacid who has been an exemplary model for cooperation facing the axe? makes you wonder that the powers that be running Somalia behind the scenes don't want strong Somalia
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