Darod's future lies in the formation of the Upper House

[BuuloXubeey]

Says the people who claim Cadaado

3. Cadaado- Marehan/Hawiye

I smell desperation

Not only is Galgaduud ours, S/hoose is going to be completely ours too.

Well its true there are villages under Cadaado district that is inhabited by Marehan. Not so long ago, Wagardhac and Salebaan had skirmishes in the outskirt of Cadaado.

Also it was 2 months ago when Sacad and Wagardhac had war in Galinsoor.

Western Galgaduud: Densely populated area
Eastern Galgaduud: Barren land

Give me one coastal village in Galgaduud apart from Ceeldheere.

[SultanOrder]

Twisted, upper house seats are based on gobols and not States. Therefore Jubbaland gets seats for gedo, lower and middle jubba, Puntland gets it for Bari and Nugaal, and something has to be figured out for mudug.

[HusseinHassan]

Twisted, upper house seats are based on gobols and not States. Therefore Jubbaland gets seats for gedo, lower and middle jubba, Puntland gets it for Bari and Nugaal, and something has to be figured out for mudug.

love how you took out sanaag, sool and ceyn from puntland. harti will say envy is a bitch

unless you're saying sool and sanaag and buhoodle are similar to the mudug. how will they be sorted out since different clans settle sool sanaag togdheer and mudug?

[AbdiWahab252]

4.5 was a con to minimize Hawiye influence. It should have been 6: 2 Hawiye 1 Dir 1 DIgil Mirifle 1 Minorities 1 Darood.

[SultanOrder]

Twisted, upper house seats are based on gobols and not States. Therefore Jubbaland gets seats for gedo, lower and middle jubba, Puntland gets it for Bari and Nugaal, and something has to be figured out for mudug.

love how you took out sanaag, sool and ceyn from puntland. harti will say envy is a bitch

unless you're saying sool and sanaag and buhoodle are similar to the mudug. how will they be sorted out since different clans settle sool sanaag togdheer and mudug?

Cayn is not one of the 18 gobols, and as for Sool and Sanaag I have no idea how things will work out but those particulars are beside the point

[HusseinHassan]

Twisted, upper house seats are based on gobols and not States. Therefore Jubbaland gets seats for gedo, lower and middle jubba, Puntland gets it for Bari and Nugaal, and something has to be figured out for mudug.

love how you took out sanaag, sool and ceyn from puntland. harti will say envy is a bitch

unless you're saying sool and sanaag and buhoodle are similar to the mudug. how will they be sorted out since different clans settle sool sanaag togdheer and mudug?

Cayn is not one of the 18 gobols, and as for Sool and Sanaag I have no idea how things will work out but those particulars are beside the point

then what's the point of having puntland, jubaland, galmudug, somaliland? the 18 gobols ceased to exist when the formation of maamul goboleeds came into existence.

[BuuloXubeey]

^
The federal system: 2 or more regions of the 18 that come together to form a federal state.

[AbdiJohnson]

Federalism will be scrap 2016

[AbdiJohnson]

the reality is that hawiye are nothing, a bunch of useless people.

Exhibit 1:

Hiiraan a Hawiye region most of its districts are Al-Shabaab free:
- AMISOM troops are there to support Hawiye forces against Al-Shabaab and to discipline Hawiye soldiers
- Since the liberation of most district Hiiraan suffered internal Hawiye conflict since day one
- Struggling to nominate Govenors and Mayors


Gedo a Daarood region most of its districts are Al-Shabaab free.
-No AMISOM troops apart from Kenyan presence in Ceelwaaq
- Since liberation the people managed to make their own authority
- Has easily agreed to their governor and mayors accross all towns.


Lesson:

Hawiye are useless.

Nope darods r jus 17 percent in somalia nugaal,bari,lower jubba r darod degaans,eleys have more gobals then darod

[sahal80]

Lol we only heard some clans name when some one is in need!

What apropaganda!

Even with your logic "irir" will still form the majority in the upper house let alone the other somali wanes who are part of these 54 members

The upper house is shyt, has no central role, legislative role, can't elect, only its about the regional issues with a few involvements in law matters

If you meant to say its in the interests of the federalists, yeah, more for north.

I guess the upper house was not mentioned in the vision2016.

[Murax]

There is not 1 Hawiye Federal Admin that makes sense or is coming.

[GeoSeven]

Exasperating fact, I know. Strategically located constituencies, population and economic muscle, simple factors that will always ensure Hawiye hegemony and dominance in Somalia. Upper House, Parliament or any where else for that matter, Hawiye will still be at an advantage. Aside from clan loyalty, the greatest deciding factor in any elections (especially those of Somalia) is money and Hawiye simply have lots of it.

The 2012 elections were a revelation to Hawiye. Don't even talk about Abgaal...those guys got an ego boost to last half a century

It's near impossible to politically inhibit Hawiye in Somalia, the sooner everyone understands this the better.

[SultanOrder]

Geoseven, you are misconstruing the facts. Yes there was a lot of successful Hawiye candidates, but almost all of them were locally based except Baadiyow, and all of them were part of some kind of islamic party like islaah or dam jadiid a branch of islaah. While Darood or other non Hawiye candidates were almost all diaspora and had no local party affiliation. Islaah is also heavily connected with Qatar which we know is a proponent of muslim brotherhood (islaah being a branch of MB) wings all over the muslim world including egypt, syria, Somalia, etc. They easily gave Egypt a few billion dollars to help Morsi, the Somali campaign was chump change for them.

So the real winners were not Hawiye, even though you can paint it that way, but it was Islamic groups privately funded by outsider donors (qatar). Also, yes Hawiye have the most members in these groups, but every qabil is in them since it is not solely qabil but idealogically based, out of Darood Marexaan are the biggest members of Isaah, while MJ's are led by secularists. Islamic groups are most prevalent in the south because of the long instability.

[Twisted_Logic]

At the end of the day, politics boils down to clan & it's true some clan are more qualified to adapt to changing circumstances than others. As far as Baadiyow, the guy is no body & will never amount to anything. Him & Farmaajo are fake candidates propped by the media. They can last a day in politics

[AbdiJohnson]

Geo hg has more money then abgaals,ayr alone has almost da same money as abgaals