What if Somaliland refuses to rejoin Somalia Forever

[HusseinHassan]

Re-read my post. It was political greed and the betrayal that lead to the attempted coup in 1961. That started the aspirations of becoming a seperate state. If the generals that lead that coup were successful, Somaliland would've been a seperate country by 1961 because there's no official documents regarding the unification process however the coup failed.

As my previous post states the neoptism and corruption after 1977-78 war and MSB targetting Isaaq businessmen specifically lead to dissatisfaction and once again the aspirations of becoming a seperate state lead to the establishment of SNM.

political greed and betrayal? who's to be blamed? the somali people or specific politicians (regardless of what tribe they belong to)?

you mention snm's goal being the creation of a separate state, but that was never the goal, you know it and everyone knows it. they were fighting against siyad barre's regime and not against somalia. lying and making things up isn't one of your forte, is it?

[Fall]

Meyle,

The Milatary and the corruption focked everybody. We didn't have 1 secondary School in the entire Cadaado district. 1/4 a million Saleebaan didn't have secondary education.

You're not Salebaan. Can you please stop talking for my clan please.

[Meyle]

When Somaliland and Somalia united in the 60's the idea was to create a state (Somali republic) made up by two equal parts, however that never happened because of Prior to independence there was no connection between waqooyi and koonfur. Southerners can't force themselves on us and majority of the clans in Somaliland are pro Somaliland, not to mention that Isaaq is majority in SL, so we'll always have the last word.

minority guda iyo dhulos support the separation.

If you say so

[Fall]

Even HG is a Victim of the 2006 Ethiopian war because we were targeted as a tribe and our entire Districts bombed. That is why you fled to Ceelasha biyaha. Can we Claim Victims?

Yaa Sheikh you misspoke, it is hard to pretend

I don't even see why they (Him and Xiinow) do this, what did Salebaan do that was so bad?

[HusseinHassan]

Prior to independence there was no connection between waqooyi and koonfur. Southerners can't force themselves on us and majority of the clans in Somaliland are pro Somaliland, not to mention that Isaaq is majority in SL, so we'll always have the last word.

you're a habarjeclo. you having no connections to the south is understandable, but don't try to include dhulos and warsangeli into your fold. these two niggas got connections from bari all the way to jubada hoose.

Bari is not south and the first Dhulbahante and Warsangelis arrived in Jubboyinka with the British just like the Isaaq because those regions were part of British east Africa before it was sold off to the Italians.


There was no connection, as in northern clans and southern clans intermarrying, their animal sharing the same grazing land etc.

you're making a fool out of yourself. quit it while you can. what gives you the need to mention two darod sub-clans (dhulos and warsangeli) into your claims? i noticed you're shifting the whole issue to a geographical dispute, hiding your qabyaalad behind the nonsense (waqooyi vs konfuur).

[Meyle]

Re-read my post. It was political greed and the betrayal that lead to the attempted coup in 1961. That started the aspirations of becoming a seperate state. If the generals that lead that coup were successful, Somaliland would've been a seperate country by 1961 because there's no official documents regarding the unification process however the coup failed.

As my previous post states the neoptism and corruption after 1977-78 war and MSB targetting Isaaq businessmen specifically lead to dissatisfaction and once again the aspirations of becoming a seperate state lead to the establishment of SNM.

political greed and betrayal? who's to be blamed? the somali people or specific politicians (regardless of what tribe they belong to)?

you mention snm's goal being the creation of a separate state, but that was never the goal, you know it and everyone knows it. they were fighting against siyad barre's regime and not against somalia. lying and making things up isn't one of your forte, is it?

Southern politicians at that time were representing southerners and the goal was to undermine and annex Somaliland. In reality there was no difference between the civilian and the statesman.


SNM wanted to create a seperate state. Cabdullahi Yuusuf begged them to join his movement and they told him that they didn't share the same goals yet they were both fighting Maxamed Siyaad Barre, the difference is there were some among the leadership within the movement that were gullible but when Cali Mahdi said he was the president of the Somali republic from Seylac to Raas Kaambooni despite not controlling Mogadishu, became the straw that broke the camels back.

[Meyle]

Bari is not south and the first Dhulbahante and Warsangelis arrived in Jubboyinka with the British just like the Isaaq because those regions were part of British east Africa before it was sold off to the Italians.


There was no connection, as in northern clans and southern clans intermarrying, their animal sharing the same grazing land etc.

you're making a fool out of yourself. quit it while you can. what gives you the need to mention two darod sub-clans (dhulos and warsangeli) into your claims? i noticed you're shifting the whole issue to a geographical dispute, hiding your qabyaalad behind the nonsense (waqooyi vs konfuur).

War wuxu indha adakaa...


Son you mentioned these two clans when you responded to my post that said ''Prior to independence there was no connection between waqooyi and koonfur''


Btw Waqooyi and Koonfur are legitimate terms, now show me the qabyaalad.

[HusseinHassan]

Re-read my post. It was political greed and the betrayal that lead to the attempted coup in 1961. That started the aspirations of becoming a seperate state. If the generals that lead that coup were successful, Somaliland would've been a seperate country by 1961 because there's no official documents regarding the unification process however the coup failed.

As my previous post states the neoptism and corruption after 1977-78 war and MSB targetting Isaaq businessmen specifically lead to dissatisfaction and once again the aspirations of becoming a seperate state lead to the establishment of SNM.

political greed and betrayal? who's to be blamed? the somali people or specific politicians (regardless of what tribe they belong to)?

you mention snm's goal being the creation of a separate state, but that was never the goal, you know it and everyone knows it. they were fighting against siyad barre's regime and not against somalia. lying and making things up isn't one of your forte, is it?

Southern politicians at that time were representing southerners and the goal was to undermine and annex Somaliland. In reality there was no difference between the civilian and the statesman.


SNM wanted to create a seperate state. Cabdullahi Yuusuf begged them to join his movement and they told him that they didn't share the same goals yet they were both fighting Maxamed Siyaad Barre, the difference is there were some among the leadership within the movement that were gullible but when Cali Mahdi said he was the president of the Somali republic from Seylac to Raas Kaambooni despite not controlling Mogadishu, became the straw that broke the camels back.

somalis are a very homogenous and tribalism is the key. somalis in the 1960s were far more tribalistic than somalis of today. you as a isaaq, it's very easy to insult and generalize all the somalis in former italian-somaliland (southern somalia) because no isaaq settles there. i totally understand your animosity, but what i can't understand is how you expect a warsangeli or dhulos to side with you against their own blood brothers (other darods) or fiqishini to side with you against their own blood brothers (other hawiya).

[Meyle]

I'm not generalizing because thats the truth and there's no animosity toward Somalis from Somalia. The southern politicians carried out what their people wanted, nothing more, nothing less.


Clan alliegance is not one of the basic foundations of a modern, sovereign state. Fiqishini were pro SNM during the 80's and today they're pro SL. You have pro SL Dhulbahante and Warsangeli so I guess they sided with me anyway.

[HusseinHassan]

meyle, all in all, it comes down to strength. if you can force and tame the dhulos and warsangeli, then go ahead by all means. if they can't defend themselves against you or if their "blood brothers" can't or won't come to their aid, then you have a responsibility to bring them under your feet.

i can't believe i took part in a nonsense tit for tat regarding an issue that doesn't pertain to anything remotely beneficial to me.

[Meyle]

It doesn't come down to strength and as I said there is absolutely no connection between state building/a modern, sovereign state and clan alliegance. What It all comes down to is ideology, mutual interests & personal beliefs.






You slipped out of your troll character.

[Fall]

lol@ dhulos and warsengalis being blood brothers

[HusseinHassan]

lol@ dhulos and warsengalis being blood brothers

please, educate us sister. are they not related?

[Fall]

lol@ dhulos and warsengalis being blood brothers

please, educate us sister. are they not related?

[SecretAgent]