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[The`Republic]

Lol @ Murax. Wallahi this Sahal kid is so passively anti-Marehan it is hilarious. What he doesn't understand as you reiterated is regardless of WHO ispres, Marehan and Ogaden agree 100% that the CONCONCEPT of Jubbaland is a done deal. All his stuff about centraliya wal federaliya wal Marehan mudigia wal Azaniya is as hogwash as the crap he spewed in my Prime Minister topic. He wrotes pages og his opinions based on what he WANTS to see.

Lol @ Hydrogen. Becoming a little sharp shooter there

[Colonel]

Voltage & co. You guys claim to support Jubbaland yet wish for Hiraale to bring chaos to Kismayo. You need to understan Hiraale or any MX group is in no position to take the city by force, regardless of Kenya being there or not.

What stops you from waiting a few years and attempting to win the leadership by the vote?

[eliteSomali]

At the end day , every qabiil loses. I wonder how it feels to live in a land where you are at the mercy of AIDS infected kufars from the worst places in Africa?

[GeoSeven]

What stops you from waiting a few years and attempting to win the leadership by the vote?

[sahal80]

Murax

Though I don't like to judge me based on my background, the new interior and FADERAL minister is from hiiraan.

Back to the topic!

Have you asked yourself who has facilitated the jubbaland file to go to the hands of IGAD before you could sign in there as gedo was part of the project?

The guys who were behind this project are gandhi, farah macalin, yaasiin hebel in the kenyan govt supported by puntland

Logical example; gandhi and all his people support jubba admin bc of kenya supporting him while all your people except some guys who supported the project and hail from gedo not from mudug like fartaag and aw libaax who has been in the faroole camp before are againist it in all its meanings , economically, military and political structurte...dida jubaland bikoli macnaaneehaa al siyasiya wal caskariya wal istratijiya!!

How can you be then againist kenya and with that project?

How can you use the documents of addis agreement between modobe and the govt?

How can you take example of foreigners having tea at modabes ?

when you saying jubbaland, politically and internationally its a kenyan backed entity and there is no jubbaland without kenya!

Some things You're not understanding. The debate was NEVER about should there be a Jubbaland or whether there should be. Using Your logic,The TFG and all the Somali Governments were formed in Kenya so how can one support the Somali Gov and not Kenya? Bottom line is Jubbaland is a reality now. Is the system perfect? No, but why try to destroy something When You can try to fix it. All the Sade mps supported the Jubba side with the Gov side, yet all the Sade mps support Kenya leaving. Given Madoobe's IGAD connetions, its a fair compromise He rules for two years. At the end of the day if the result is a Federal State from the Ethiopian border in Doolow to the Indian ocean in Kismayo, then it is all worth it. I do not understand what is so difficult for You to understand with this position.

No. I'm a logic man/saxib mantiq and you have no figures and numbers to proof your argument! Not far when gedo was anti federalism when the constitution was in the making just like the rest of the southren groups!

To make you understood my argument let us take the philosophy of hegel

Let us say that all of you had this single idea~kismayo= this is called a thesis but with the creation of jubbaland it has turned into antithesis/al ad daad/conflict of opposites/sirac al ad daad...therefore, jubbaland was the opposite party though some gedo individuals who cant represent the whole gedo school were integral contributors to its establishment, those have accepted having a second position but the majority have waged a war againist the administration and its backers until they lost it. Now this had led the process into a synthesis stage with the govt and other stakeholders(lugadheere nowadays second vice-president of jubba) reaching agreement with the the administration...the center of power is trying to dismantle the no-state loyalties and this will lead us again into a new antithesis but this time with kenya and my theory comes from there that once kenya is gone jubbaland will be gone but not the administration

I have made clear for you that apart from the single idea there were only conflicting opposites/siraac al ad daad not truths!!

Tres logique!

Minal falsafa al jadaliya al tarikhiya/dialectical and historical philosophy

The truth of jubbaland belongs to the opposite side, tilk hiya al xaqiqa yaa saxibi and here is the proof

"1999 meeting
Wikileakes
During a December 8 meeting on the margins of the Djibouti IGAD ministerial visiting AF Deputy Assistant Secretary Wycoff and Kenyan Minister of Foreign Affairs Wetangula agreed to continue to work together to promote stability and political reconciliation in Somalia. DAS Wycoff told Wetangula that the USG continued to strongly oppose the Kenyan "Jubaland" initiative as a bad idea that would more likely add to Somalia's instability than to help stabilize the country."

[The`Republic]

1999 ku lahaa, Wetangula was the Foreign Minister of Kenya in 2009.

Is Sahal serious? Dude, do you not know that Barre Hiiraale was setting up Jubbaland state back in 2006 right before ICU invaded? Teeda kale all that is IRRELAVANT. Jubbaland is a concept you don't need to worry about. The majority agree on the concept, they just disagree on the details.

The issue is the concept of the Ethiopian backed Bay, Bakool, and Lower Shabelle state. I know for a fact that Ethiopia will push this state and Sharif Sakiin sitting in Bakiin Hotel in Baidoa is waiting for the greenlight while the former RRA qabqables like Adan Madoobe, Saransoor, and Xaabsade are slapped permanently by Ethiopia.

There is a new paradigm sxb and that paradigm says Somalia is giving birth pangs to a state that will rock the Hawiye understanding of Somalia.

Neither Dam Jadiid, neither Hassan Sheikh, neither the two puny characters of Interior Minister Goodax Barre and Constitution Minister Farah Topaz nor a clan nor anyone can turn the clock on Federalism in Somalia. Federalism in Somalia legitimizes the very nature of Somalia's political reconfiguration, the nature of the post-civil war, the very fundation that threads the Somali state back together. It is the most PROTECTED theory in Somalia today in the international community. You must have absolutely no understanding of the reality surrounding that wartorn country.

[sahal80]

Lol its very clear being a typing mistake and that I meant 2009 as wikki says!


Every one can talk shyt

I have made clear that the owners of the jubbaland initiative, its kismayo conference and all its political and military wise meanings and kenyan connections(buffer zone) are not gedo.

I didn't deny the idea but the truths

Juba valley or others, Even baydhabo had the same idea before all of you had with their 50s slogan south of hiiraan but xamar!


The different between the persian gulf and the arabian gulf is that each strategy belongs to the opposite camp(shia vs sunni, arab vs farisi) not the place!

We are talking about the strategies and gedo is the opposite of the jubbaland strategy!

I'm out!.

[Murax]

We are talking about the strategies and gedo is the opposite of the jubbaland strategy!!.

Where is Fartag from? Gedo. Where is the Sade Ugaas Maxamed xashi from? Gedo. Where is Awlibax from? gedo. Where is the Prime Minister from? Gedo. What do they all support? Jubbaland, just with a couple minor tweaks. Embrace the reality, Gedo/Jubbas are gone. I'm sorry.

[hydrogen]

Murax I don't think he or any of us want Jubaland not to exist, it seems we're all pushing D&M ambitions onto each other.

[sahal80]

We are talking about the strategies and gedo is the opposite of the jubbaland strategy!!.

Where is Fartag from? Gedo. Where is the Sade Ugaas Maxamed xashi from? Gedo. Where is Awlibax from? gedo. Where is the Prime Minister from? Gedo. What do they all support? Jubbaland, just with a couple minor tweaks. Embrace the reality, Gedo/Jubbas are gone. I'm sorry.

These are just aligned with the jubbaland strategy and its leadership rejected by the majority.

When I'm saying gedo I mean the clan not exactly gedo the region

The greater gedo has a different strategy like the juba valley strategy wich is a rival strategy that has its regional backers

I'm just analyst yaa saxibi not with or againist anyone so don't tell me sorry

[original dervish]

The D&M deserve their three state SW.
Lets wait and see what the Ethios are up to.

[Murax]

Sahal,

The Sade Federal mps, all the individuals I listed are Pro Jubbaland. Please substantiate what You are saying with proof. Even the Abdi Shire, Barre Hiiraale You speak of, is 100% the establishment of a Jubbaland even if He is at loggerheads with how it currently is. The Int'l Community, all the relevant clans are on board. The Federalism ship on J/land has sailed.




Hydrogen,


There really isn't a Hawiye/Darood conflict at all I agree 100%. Basically this pipe dream by D&M everybody knows will not fly, so some people are saying what is their consolation prize going to be? Personally I think D&M by pursuing this pipe dream so hard will lose everything and bet told simply stick to Bay/Bakool.

[zidane88]

Murax you don't understand the al siyasiya wal caskariya wal istratijiya

[sahal80]

Sahal,

The Sade Federal mps, all the individuals I listed are Pro Jubbaland. Please substantiate what You are saying with proof. Even the Abdi Shire, Barre Hiiraale You speak of, is 100% the establishment of a Jubbaland even if He is at loggerheads with how it currently is. The Int'l Community, all the relevant clans are on board. The Federalism ship on J/land has sailed.

Murax

Why you just can't get my point??? Who supports its not the issue here though it doesn't put them on equal footing with the initiative owners by all its diplomatic, military meanings and foreing connections, we are talking about the project and its strategy, its external connections in wich with out them it won't fly!

Don't you wish kenya to go?

As I understand the somali govt and that initiatve owners have come up with an interim initiative that has changed a lot of its structure and now its getting closer to the center.

Abdi shire and his group may accept it in this national strategy and the reconciliation process is still on until the next summer

This is the conflict of antithesis the philosophy was talking about; you need your own central and regional backers=different strategy!

Aw libaax was ahlussunna but during the road map process he become an ally of faroole, these are just individuals and I stated before the project having recieved the support of some of the southren gedo locals wich doesn't represent the larger gedo political school.

let us not kid ourselves here we have seen wars!

That was my final post.

Wassalam.

[Murax]

Sahal,

So once Kenya leaves what do You think will happen. Do You think the entire Jubbaland thing will be no more and it will go back to provincial maamuls named from mogadishu?