THE ISAQ SOMALI DIASPORAand poll-tax agitation in KENYA 1936

[Ducaale004]

[quote="Luckyy"][Qoute from the article

"Many Isaqz entred goverment service as clerks and interpreters or joined the King's Rifles and the East frican Constabulries, Most, however, become stock-trders n occuption t which they excelled-either trading on their own account in the pastoral reseves, or working as factotums to large stock-owners such as Lord Delamere, the Hon. Galbraith and Berkely Cole A Number of European farmers encouraged and financed somali Stock-trading contracting them to buy donkeys in oKaramajo or southern Ethopia and to exchange cattles for sheep in Laikipia."

Where where u THEN? waiting to be SLAVED?........now jump to the greedy MAD MUllah BS.....he came to the picture 50years later........car tariikh aan Mad mullah ahayn ii sheeg........car![/quote]


Lucky,

Harti preceded the Diaspora of Isaq in Kenya. In fact, Herti were tradesmen, activists, land owners inter alia. For instance, the Herti were instrumental in founding the Daarood Ismailia Committee in 1932 and it actually supported the Isaq in its pursuit of this status. “While Darod Ismailia committee initially supported the Isaq in is Asiatic status, it soon gave the impression to be satisfied with a special Somali status” cites, Turton, in his other historical document that soon to be posted on Wardheernews. The Herti were exempted from the Native Authority Ordinance because of their Somali identity . However the Native Ordinance was applied to the Isaqs, and this is the reason that agitated them to the “ridiculous position” that Vincent remarked surprisingly. This is how a colonial official, Vincent Glenday noted exactly to describe the agitation of Isaq.
“In seeking political advancement, the Isaq have reached the ridiculous position of rejecting their own kith and kin”
(Somali Resistance to Colonial Rule and the Development of Somali Political Activity in Kenya 1893-1960).


I don’t like to force one group or clan or tribe to disclaim their self-being or deny the inert fact of being colonial collaborators. But, I doubt it is pretentious, for instance, to say that you were desperate enough to claim a different identity. Your actions were sparked by the Herti’s domination in the region. The Heri revolted against the both British and Italian colony. Though the uprising of Harti and Darod in general forced the colonies to resort to military response in order to subdue and pacify them, the colony, therefore , realized the stalward of Herti as something political , ideological, institutional , and a long-term goal to achieve self-determination. This development brought forth the awareness of Isaq to rub their shoulder with Herti as a self-reflection of reaching up the point and the same level.

In Kenya, the ISaq once importuned the Herti to join them and support them, but to no avail. Their reaction to the rejection of Harti to participate the agitation led to many of them becoming traitors, yet it was they who suffered the most. The Darood institutions in Kenya counter-accused them after 100s of Isaq defaulted on their payment. Many spent years behind colonial bars.

“At the same time, there were equally important reasons why it was most desirable for the Isaq to win the support of the Herti. Ultimately, it was a question of numbers: Herti support would have doubled the size of the Isaq movement. During the last months of 1937, therefore, the Isaq made every effort to get the Darod to participate in their agitation, but without success. Realizing that co-operation was not possible at that stage they changed their tactics and began to violently denounce the Herti. They declared that all the Mijjertein Herti (a sub-clan that lived in Italian Somaliland) and most of the Dolbahanta Herti were Italian agents and they openly pressed for their expulsion from the Colony. Such allegations were naturally impossible to prove and the Herti were not slow to bring similar charges against the Isaq. Accusation and counter-accusation for theft, sedition and espionage followed; but after a time, the pressing need for some form of co-operation once again made itself felt. “ from the Article.

[gurey25]

Ducaale exemption from the Native ordanance act was not enough for Isaaq.
As you know the British colonies were divided into 3 populations
Europeans who were on top , Asians who were second class citizens and the africans or natives at the bottom who had no rights and were treated lie animals.

As you know the native ordanance act pits aparthied like restriction on natives, for example they cannot shop or eat at certain places, or move around in some areas and were under curfew.
The biggest discrimination was that the act allowed for any african to be conscripted for unpaid hard labour at the district commisioners discretion.

All somalis were campaigning against this act and were successfull in preventing it from applying to somalis, but the isaaq wanted asian status.
Why because the indians although paying more taxes had more rights,
could open businesses and buy property while somalis had restrictions.
The daroos didnot cooperate with the isaaq because of rivalaries and inter clan hatred, but also because they were satisfied with non-native status.

[shaheen]

Gurey,

As someone who has heard lots of stories about what took place then, the whole thing was exactly about what you and Guledy said, having right to own property, access better health care, education and being able to travel freely. Whatever new spin Ducaale and co want to add to it is their problem. There is nothing noble about being dehumanised and living in poverty as some people would have liked them to.

[HAB!!B]

Very interesting piece. Glad this history isn't lost.

I think the problem stemmed from the fact that the Isaaq having lived in Yemen and elsewhere where they had the same rights as the professional class of those colonies, it must have been a shock to them as to being placed in the same category as the lowest class, when it came to East Africa.

Also the fact that nothing like that (segregation) ever happened in British Somaliland has to do why the Somalis (Issaqs in this case) wanted to fight for their rights even in the diaspora. Kuddos to them.

[CrazySommies]

Thank Goodnes for that.

I thought I was the only one but its good to see some Somalis undertanding the real reasons behind their protest to be about civil liberty. There was no other options than to claim being another race, and touching the lil cooperations Isaaq had with the British i.e defeating the Pro Fascist Ina Calacal Hasan.

This Ducaale delves into history as if he's got too much time in his hand i.e a dude old enaugh to father me. But he can't help knit picking.

Its really dangerous to have ppl like him cos they are just the type holding progress back in todays generation.

Habiib,

Segregation was practiced by the Italians which I think was the reason why the Mjs had no problem at all. Ppl use to be karbaashed if they sat on a white man's chair let alone anything else.

[North brother]

Ducalle aka Isaaq lover, are u obsessed with us or something get a life doqon yahoo, nacas fogal nacas. Its ramadan and u dont even have respect.

[CrazySommies]

Read here Ducaale:
"Invariably the Isaq ended by residing in the townships and trading centres of Kenya. From 1900 onwards the largest concentration of Isaq was to be found in Nairobi, while Isiolo became their second most important centre after 1927."

While Ducaale sees livestock traders in villages as Harti Businessmen, he can't bear the to see the Isaaq's doing their best to compete with those Asians. If only the Daarood supported them, Somalis could have been just as powerful as the Asians are in Nairobi today.

This might also answer the questions many have about why Isaaq don't bother talking to other Somalis when it comes to campaigning for Somaliland. Somalis = phucking useless.

[B_A_D_O_W]

these Warsans only want ceeb isaaq.........nothing more.

your husband Gadhweyne went that way

[DamallaXagare]

crazysommie, the Gudibiirsiboy, what is bothering you man? Harti and Darood ruled in Kenya and Somalia? I don't understand why you are protesting the fact. Make no mistake, Ducaale is showing you something positive and it has relevancy to the current politics of Somaliland. Your rejection of Somalinimo reincarnated itself and you are one of the advocates.


If you read closely the document, the ones emulated were Harti who held eminent place in Kenya. The SYL, opened offices in every city in Kenya and they were influential enough to attract the support of the people.




The whole point of this thread, from my understanding, is make conspicious how low you had stooped so badly, to get benefits even if it was the rejection of your own identity.



Yet, the movement FAILED. And the whole story recounts the inception of turmoil and its decisive end and failure.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

I guess the article backfired huh…

Carzy, Gury North and others, you all said what needed to be said and said it well…congratulations.

[Garaad_LQ]

what an idiotic mentality, so to achieve thier goal of aqual treatment the only way for them was to reject thier own Somali identity in order to achieve that goal ...

and if they were so concern about the mistreatment of thier people on the hands of British ...why they choose to seek an asiatic asatus rather then European one ,as far as i know they not Asian nither European so what's the difference , i mean why choose the midde when you can go for the top, or they didn't have the gut to chanllenge thier masters for equality .....

it is like becoming a house nigger rather then just a nigger

[Ducaale004]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]I am not Qaldaan but I think I would agree with them this time. No harm in building your self esteem and competing in humanity with the one who is thinking suprior to you and telling him "I ain't a lesser being than you" I admire that, and if that would cost me more money, so be it.

If the other fufus accepted a position degrading their race and the Qaldaans rejected that, I say Kudos Qaldaanoos.[/quote]


I haven't seen your response. You raised a good question, which is also a hint for the confusion of this thread.

Let me respond to both you and Gurey, you both raised the same viewpoints.


Though Harti's number in Kenya was large, they comprised of different groups, activists who were representatives of SYL and merchants. The, Harti , therefore, accepted the Non-Native Authority Ordinance, which simply had privileges just that of Asians. They even won access to the Asiatic ward in Nairobi for years before it was discontinued since Asians were considered Kenyans and while Somalis (Harti) were considered Somalis or Aliens. They were content with the status because they concentrated more on their efforts and wealthy for the expulsion of the colony and securing independency for our country than British ISaqs were for showing loyalty and remaining under colonialism. For instance, the Isaqs attempted to win the support of Burca to raise the question of their status as Somali even in Burco. Therefore, Burco petitioned the acting governor Kittenmaster, but it misfired and resulted in warning of arrests.

Having failed in all their endeavors, they became exclusivist, traitors, and denouncers instead of joining the struggle against the colony.


The nationalism fervor of SYL , was however, gaining in popularity in East Africa , esp, Kenya and branches were opened in Nairobi, Mandera and Garisa. Hence, it played a prominent role to unite all Somalis in the Horn of Africa and to "increase their educational facilities, to help the sick and foster Islam" . The result was tangible and felt in the political circles of the colony. Turton, states how the impact of SYL was instrumental to our confused northwestern tribe's sense of being.


"They (Isaq) enquired the policy what policy the Kenya government intended to adopt in order to satisfy the aspirations of the East African Isaq. But these aspirations were new, and had little in common with earlier Isaq goals. The type of nationalism which was rapidly gaining in popularity had little similarity with the earlier sectionalism of the Isaq, which now seemed odly out of place and dated. And this new nationalism was associated with the Somali Youth League (SYL) , which spread to NAIROBI and North Frontier District (NFD)." Turton.



Gurey, One more clarifications about the colonial ordinances. The one applied to the European did cost 40, Asians paid 30 shilling, Non-Natives (like the Harti) paid 20 , and natives paid 10 shilling. The agitation surfaced after their objections to the Native Authority Ordinance. For Somalis, the ordinance was only made to apply to the Isaqs. Hence, the Non-Native Ordinance had privileges a lot similar to the Asians if not equally, at the same, it offered Hartis their exclusive rights to establish exclusive clubs such as the Darood ismailia Committee, and Darood Welfare Committee.


The Next Document to be posted on Wardheernews.com, will clarify everything to you guys. For the time being, You should get gist of these accounts. One of the reasons for this website (WardheerNews) is to educate our people the consequences of isolation, colonialism, identity crisis and etc. What we write are mostly based on Oral tradition.


I don't hate no clan but I like to engage you in beneficial discussions. Unfortunately, the message seems to be too sophisticated.

[Ducaale004]

[quote="CrazySommies"]This Ducaale delves into history as if he's got too much time in his hand i.e a dude old enaugh to father me. But he can't help knit picking.

Its really dangerous to have ppl like him cos they are just the type holding progress back in todays generation.

.[/quote]

I don't have too mcuh time as you might have assumed it to be. You would have seen me here all the time.

Btw, age isn't a factor to be interested in historical subject and analyzer like i have shown. Waxaan ahey nin Dhalinyaro ah saxib. Ha igu qaldamin.


Mida kale ilaahey nin buu ka dhigey iska daa cayda.

GaraadLQ, you raised very good viewpoint. It was like the houseslave rather than be a fighter against the rigidity of the colonial system.

[CrazySommies]

Shall I drop a bomb in here. Here is a quote from Qaybe's memoir from:
http://www.qarannews.com/pn/modules.php ... =0&thold=0

"1. -kii May, 1960-kii Maxamed Xaji Ibraahim Cigal iyo saddexdiisii Wasiir ayaa u ambabaxay Addis Abeba, caasimadda Ethiopia. Ujeedada safarkaasu waxay ahayd Boqor Xayle Salassie in laga codsado soo celinta Huad iyo Reserved Areas. Boqorku Qasrigiisii ayuu wafdigii ku qaabiley. Dhinaca midigtiisa waxaa fadhiyay Prime Ministerkii Ethiopia Ato Aklilo Hapte Walde , iyo dhowr Wasiir uu ka mid ahaa Wasiirkii Arrimaha Gudaha uu Boqorku soddog u ahaa. Dhinaca bidixdana waxaa fadhiyey Wasiiraddii Somaliland iyo anigoo Xoghayn ahaan ula socday. Labada geesood dhexdooda waxaa turjubaan ahaan u fadhiyey oo Boqorka ka soo horjeeday, Cabdiraxmaan Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan (Wasiir-ku-Xigeenkii Arrimaha Gudaha ee Ethiopia).
"

Here is Ina Mad Mullah sitting along side Haile Salassie against the Somaliland delegation arguing against the return of the Hawd and Reserve area(meaning Ogaden were happy to stay under Ethiopia). Similarly, these same ppl are today searching for "Daaroodland" called "Puntland" while we managed to convince the Ethiopian Parliament of today to look at the same issue again in 2005.

Friends, as the article says. The Harti refused to support the Isaaq's civil rights movement just cos they were Isaaq - full stop. No other good ratioanal at all. Similarly, any Isaaq who joined the SYL must have been very very stupid.

Y can't u see their success, the whole system was based on ethnicity and as soon as they questioned the legitimacy of "ethinicity". The English changed the system to tax ppl according to their earning, hence many ppl must have been relieved cos its more based on class than race.


Damala Xagare:
"Harti and Darood ruled in Kenya and Somalia? "

The little previleges u may think ur ppl enjoy today are from the fruits of a$$-licking Bantus my friend. What we r talking about are sulf suficient Isaaq ppl who were using lawyers based in Cardif compared to savages running around and screaming FREEDOM in down town Nairobi with other savages.

Ina Mad Mullah's kids would probably be sayin they once ruled Ethiopia too if its like that.

Stop the hypocratism dudes, if any ppl has been working against strengthening Somali ppl, its u guys. The only ppl with a record to destroy a country and a nation for tribal cuqdad reasons.

[Mataan_Ciideed]

The Warsangali warriors are causing havoc!.

gurey25

So the non native status didn't guarantee ownership of business, and other privilages the asians in Kenya enjoyed?. Please enlighten me!.