Where are our Oromo brothers?

[bareento]

Greetings Mujaahis Zumaale!

The mechanics of Oromo/Somali abtirsi is very difficult to comprehend...Daarod and Dir r fiction when it comes to Jaarso.
How come any oromo living western oromia (close to Sudan) be Darod or Dir.

Barsug (or Bursukh as they r called in Oromo) change their loyalty according to their interest and interlocuter:
they will most probably tell me they r oromo from Afran Qallo, and will tell u that they r Dir or Darod according to the somali
myth u follow. If they see the jinn they will discover their ancestral mom was indeed a jinn.

Lets give peace to these little funny exotic tribes

B.

[bareento]

Itrah, du ist ein scientific Nazi. Purity or bust!

Bareentu, Itrah is right, you guys are heterogenous in origin, scientifically speaking.

Probably!

But u r the guys killing each other...and raping your womanfolk in a mosque

B.

[zumaale]

Greetings Mujaahis Zumaale!

The mechanics of Oromo/Somali abtirsi is very difficult to comprehend...Daarod and Dir r fiction when it comes to Jaarso.
How come any oromo living western oromia (close to Sudan) be Darod or Dir.

Barsug (or Bursukh as they r called in Oromo) change their loyalty according to their interest and interlocuter:
they will most probably tell me they r oromo from Afran Qallo, and will tell u that they r Dir or Darod according to the somali
myth u follow. If they see the jinn they will discover their ancestral mom was indeed a jinn.

Lets give peace to these little funny exotic tribes

B.

Relax Bareentu, my statements are not an attack on Oromos.

The reason I asked about those two clans is that the Barsuuq were Somali in language and culture 150 years ago. When they adopted farming and intermarried with the Oromo neighbouring clans they gradually became monolingual Oromo speakers. As for Jaarso their warras attest to who is Dir, Darood or Oromo. Just like us, you guys never forget the Sheegatos among you so please which Warras among Jarso are Somali? The ones I am referring to live in the Somali borderlands not near Sudan?

[Thuganomics]

What does the term "warro warro"
mean.Also why do you call us collectively as Sidaamo

[Kareem99]

Kareem,

If I amy intervene into your debates...this is a common pattern in the Horn of Africa.
Tribes and clans r sometimes the offshot of another clan whom at some times they joined as junior partner.
When the necessity of the partnership fades away they reclaim their "independance".
This is very common in Oromo tribal/clan system also. Tribe/clans r political system i compare them to
political parties.

In Oromo we have a mecanism to say wich clan is the offshot of which clan. I applied it to Northern somali clans
and wat I found is mindblowing.

B.

That's true Bareento. I'm not averse to the possibility of confederation. None of us were alive for 600 years, and both theories are entirely possible. I'm just leaning towards abtirsi/genealogy because in Somalia, you have members of one tribe living at extreme ends of the Somali lands. While this is true for many Somali tribes I'll use the Dir as an example. You have Samarroon in the extreme North of Somalia, Gurgure and Akisho all over Ethiopia, and Gaadsan in Kenya (these are the extreme points/borders of the lands to white Somalis are "native"). All these sub-clans belong to the Dir tribe of Somalis. They speak the same language (albeit with different accents) and have the same story when it comes to their origins. Since it is well known that many Somalis are camel herders and nomads, it is not out of the realm of possibility that these Somalis moved freely within the Horn. It's more far-fetched (for me at least) to believe that these Somalis reached all corners of the horn AND THEN started to create genealogical trees (especially given the fact that there was no rapid telecom lol). What I just said is also true for other Somalis such as Darood (Harti in the North and South, Ogadeen and Geri Koombe in Ethiopia, and Sade in Kenya). Somalis move and roam without forgetting who they are.

I think Somalis deserve a little credit for keeping their culture/roots intact for such a lengthy period of time.

[MaliPrince]

all somalis don't look the same either. oromo and somali are more confederations of groups than they are pure ethnic groups.

We only have the Maay group who are questionable and they only form a small minority of Somalis.

But with Oromos you have massive groups like the Wollega & Shewa Oromo who are totally shegaato.

nope. darood, isaaq, and hawiye are all confederations with shegaato all up in em. ever heard the sayin "tol waa toolaan." all the clans are confederations of different peoples that lived in the horn that coaleced to form blood paying groups. because most of the people that lived in this area of horn spoke Somali, the language was adopted by all the different groups. its the main reason why there is so much phenotype diversity WITHIN CLANS.

there was a great thread on this a while back by some somali linguist that researched this topic.

[Itrah]

all somalis don't look the same either. oromo and somali are more confederations of groups than they are pure ethnic groups.

We only have the Maay group who are questionable and they only form a small minority of Somalis.

But with Oromos you have massive groups like the Wollega & Shewa Oromo who are totally shegaato.

nope. darood, isaaq, and hawiye are all confederations with shegaato all up in em. ever heard the sayin "tol waa toolaan." all the clans are confederations of different peoples that lived in the horn that coaleced to form blood paying groups. because most of the people that lived in this area of horn spoke Somali, the language was adopted by all the different groups. its the main reason why there is so much phenotype diversity WITHIN CLANS.

there was a great thread on this a while back by some somali linguist that researched this topic.

Dude, you are an idiot. Stop responding to me. All of your replies are always full of verbal garbage.

[Kareem99]

Here's a recent blog post analyzing the shegatoniimo of Oromos vs Somalis:

http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/ ... neous.html

Somalis are faaaar more homogeneous than Oromos. It's not even comparable.

Taas waa run.

[MaliPrince]

Modern Oromos are an amalgamation of the pre-conquest Oromos and different Horn ethnic groups that they absorbed through conquest or intermarriage. As Itrah rightly pointed out, depending on the locality, they closely resemble neighbouring populations.

Another myth that people peddle is that we share a common ancestor with Oromos. That is BS because Oromos have diverse origins as attested to by the variety of their Y-DNA. However, varieties of E haplogroups dominate depending on the Oromo subclan. Borans tested so far have shown to be E-V32 predominately.

That was on a small sample size. On a larger sample size, the Borana from North Kenya do not have that much V32/M78 but it's closer to 50%

http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443

Borana are straight up undeniable mixed with Omotics (they have E2, E1b1a2, B2 etc.).
These guys are NOT similar to Somalis. Somalis have 0% Omotic mixture.

you and your weird obession with genetic studies you barely understand. y-DNA tells you very little about the TOTAL makeup of an individual. all it says is who was the oldest male ancestor. when the autosomal testing is done, oromos actually come out with a genetic profile that is 100% native to the horn while Somalis come out at only 92% (we're 8% carab it turns out). see page 22 of the most extensive genetic study ever done on admixture.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp- ... -03-12.pdf

[Itrah]

you and your weird obession with genetic studies you barely understand. y-DNA tells you very little about the TOTAL makeup of an individual. all it says is who was the oldest male ancestor. when the autosomal testing is done, oromos actually come out with a genetic profile that is 100% native to the horn while Somalis come out at only 92% (we're 8% carab it turns out). see page 22 of the most extensive genetic study ever done on admixture.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp- ... -03-12.pdf

Retard,

Post peer-reviewed academic studies, not trash from a company!

Somalis are more native to the Horn of Africa than Oromos, fact:

http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140813/ ... 06055.html

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393

[MaliPrince]

We only have the Maay group who are questionable and they only form a small minority of Somalis.

But with Oromos you have massive groups like the Wollega & Shewa Oromo who are totally shegaato.

nope. darood, isaaq, and hawiye are all confederations with shegaato all up in em. ever heard the sayin "tol waa toolaan." all the clans are confederations of different peoples that lived in the horn that coaleced to form blood paying groups. because most of the people that lived in this area of horn spoke Somali, the language was adopted by all the different groups. its the main reason why there is so much phenotype diversity WITHIN CLANS.

there was a great thread on this a while back by some somali linguist that researched this topic.

Dude, you are an idiot. Stop responding to me. All of your replies are always full of verbal garbage.

here's an actual professional on somali history backing me up.

[Itrah]

here's an actual professional on somali history backing me up.

I stopped watching that when that fool claimed Bantus lived in Somalia before Somalis.

What a mouth breather.

[MaliPrince]

here's an actual professional on somali history backing me up.

I stopped watching that when that fool claimed Bantus lived in Somalia before Somalis.

What a mouth breather.

so you choose what evidence supports your preconcieved opinions and ignore anything that doesn't.

nice to know thats how you think. won't waste my time anymore. keep living in your FANTASY WORLD.

[Itrah]

MaliPrince,

Welcome to my ignore list.

Adios.

[bareento]

What does the term "warro warro"
mean.Also why do you call us collectively as Sidaamo

GreetingS Thug,
Warra is the equivalent of reer.

Zumale,
In oromo the concept of sheeggato do exist and its called Tirriso.
Tirriso doesnot make some one Oromo...it means u r friend who will be protected.
But when clans r adopted ... they have the same right as others...they r no longer Sheeggato.
Jaarsos have sheegattos from Daarod like Balcad, Koombe etc...but this very senstive and I wont develop.

Sidaamaa means some one o people who r not Oromo.
In oromo language : amharas, somalis, afars etc r called Sidama.
With special dedicace for Ogadenis affectionately named Sidaama miila Xiyya : the arrow legged sidaamaa.


B.