POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

1. No, it will not become fruitful due to the Somali tribalism
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2. Yes
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

Post by XimanJaale »

Estarix wrote:These are all ideas which you are throwing around with no evidence that it will solve somalia's problems. But lets deal with the reality of today. Are Somalis willing to return to the days of centralism (absolute authority in central government)? nope.
The Bay and Bakool have experienced mass abuse and marginalization and for more than half a century politicians from that region have advocated for federalism. Puntland is satisfied, and will not accept a return to centralism considering the abuse it has suffered from the central government. Somaliland is similarly allergic to such an ordeal and will surely not accept anything less than federalism.
So even if centralism is the be and all it doesnt give us a settlement to the somali quagmire.
Again you are confusing dictatorship with central government. Also how do you know Somalis today want Federalism? This was just a concept fed to them by Ethiopia and other countries.

If you ask a ordinary Somali they would rather want a central system than federal system. The only people that want Federal system are people with tribal mindset.

You need to put this in your thick head. Centralism is the only solution whether Somalis like it or not.

Talk to me the day Gaalkacyo is under one federal government, talk to me the day Ximan and Xeeb and Galmudug form one federal state etc.
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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Yes to federal system

Muqdisho hal beel ayaa iska leh--

Gudoomiyaasha degmooyinka

1- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Hodan C/qaadir Cali Kullane (Saruur)

2- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Waabari Axmed Muumin Maxamed (Xawaadle)

3- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Xamarwayne Cabdikhaadir Maxamed cabdiKhaadir (Beelaha Banaadiriga)

4- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Xamar jajab Axmed Cismaan Dhowre (Cayr Habar Gudir)

5- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Hurwaa Maxamed Axmed Xaashi (Duduble)

6- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Wadajir Axmed Cabdulle Afrax (Daauud Abgaal)

7- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Dharkenlay Aadan Maxamed Cumar (Daauud Abgaal)

8- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Warta Nabada Yaasiin Nuur Cali (Murusade)

9- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Boondheere Qaasim Xasan Cabdulle (Abgaal Abgaal)

10- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Shibis C/fataax Nuur Cali ( Abgaal)

11- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Shangaani Saciid cabduqaadir saciid (Beelaha Banaadiriga)

12- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Cabdicasiis Cismaan Muxudiin Cali (Abgaal)

13- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Kaaraan Axmed Xasan Yalaxow (Abgaal)

14- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Dayniile Xiiray Muxudiin nuur (Murusade)

15- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Howlwadaag Maxamed Abuukar Jacfar (Murusade)

16- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Yaaqshiid Muxudiin xasan jurus ( Abdaal)

7-Abgaal

3-murusade

2-Beelaha Banaadiriga

2-habar gudir

1-xawaadle

1-Duduble


waxna ha iga siin--hayso muqdisho adigaa ayaa iska leh
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

Post by XimanJaale »

Cunaaye,

Yes it is sad to see that the district mayors in Mogadishu were nominated through qabil. Hence the disgusting system of Somalia today (4.5 and federalism). Once we get a central government, people can elect their own mayor, governor, MP's they want.

But from your mentality I don't see a solution but rather a emotional primitive mind. You just admitted that the federal system is based on qabil. So how is qabil a solution to Somalia? We have been a failed state more than 23 years please bring something real solid solutions. I can't bare to see Somalia to be in chaos forever.
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

Post by quark »

Cunaaye25 wrote:Yes to federal system

Muqdisho hal beel ayaa iska leh--

Gudoomiyaasha degmooyinka

1- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Hodan C/qaadir Cali Kullane (Saruur)

2- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Waabari Axmed Muumin Maxamed (Xawaadle)

3- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Xamarwayne Cabdikhaadir Maxamed cabdiKhaadir (Beelaha Banaadiriga)

4- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Xamar jajab Axmed Cismaan Dhowre (Cayr Habar Gudir)

5- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Hurwaa Maxamed Axmed Xaashi (Duduble)

6- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Wadajir Axmed Cabdulle Afrax (Daauud Abgaal)

7- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Dharkenlay Aadan Maxamed Cumar (Daauud Abgaal)

8- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Warta Nabada Yaasiin Nuur Cali (Murusade)

9- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Boondheere Qaasim Xasan Cabdulle (Abgaal Abgaal)

10- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Shibis C/fataax Nuur Cali ( Abgaal)

11- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Shangaani Saciid cabduqaadir saciid (Beelaha Banaadiriga)

12- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Cabdicasiis Cismaan Muxudiin Cali (Abgaal)

13- Gudoomiyaha Cusub ee Kaaraan Axmed Xasan Yalaxow (Abgaal)

14- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Dayniile Xiiray Muxudiin nuur (Murusade)

15- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Howlwadaag Maxamed Abuukar Jacfar (Murusade)

16- Gudoomiyaha aanan wali la badalin Yaaqshiid Muxudiin xasan jurus ( Abdaal)

7-Abgaal

3-murusade

2-Beelaha Banaadiriga

2-habar gudir

1-xawaadle

1-Duduble


waxna ha iga siin--hayso muqdisho adigaa ayaa iska leh
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To each on his own, no need for emotional attachment to a non existent 'somaliweyn' or 'midnimo' bull crap. Federalism will fail because its very hard to implement it in a lot of places if am honest. We are not addressing the real issues which is we were never a united nation in the first place so why waste more time?






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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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That is why the solution for Somalia is to be ruled through Islam. There is no other way, otherwise all the qabilisteyaal will crawl out of the caves
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

Post by XimanJaale »

quark wrote:
To each on his own, no need for emotional attachment to a non existent 'somaliweyn' or 'midnimo' bull crap. Federalism will fail because its very hard to implement it in a lot of places if am honest. We are not addressing the real issues which is we were never a united nation in the first place so why waste more time?

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Good of you to accept that federalism is a failure to Somalia and that it will not work.

But I'am disgusted by your defeatism attitude. If you continue with this attitude, your country will forever be the most poorest and most illiterate in the world. And you will grow old in diaspora and never set foot in your country. The tahriib will continue and many Somalis die in the seas. Somalia will forever be known as the failed country, and your people will forever remain a laughing stock to the world. You are a young person that was brought up in diaspora, if you see others doing tribalism you should do the opposite. You should be the people that change the country and people for the better.

You have no hope, you have no ambition for your people and country. It is sad thing to see. Somaliweyn or midnimo might not exist today, but it is our job to bring it back.
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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Muslimstruggler wrote:That is why the solution for Somalia is to be ruled through Islam. There is no other way, otherwise all the qabilisteyaal will crawl out of the caves
And Islam promotes central system rather than federal system. It was federalism/division that brought failure to Andalus (Islamic spain). Each regions were trying to out beat the other and fighting over power. Islam promotes centralism.
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I think then the time has come for Somalia to ruled through an Islamic system. I see no other way to overcome the distrusts and division.
I admire your 'wadaniyadnimo ximan jaale, may there be many more like you. Unfortunately at the moment, the Somali qabiliteyaal are too many, and if the majority are qabilite, then how can this Nation be saved, and do they deserve to be saved?
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Muslimstruggler wrote:I think then the time has come for Somalia to ruled through an Islamic system. I see no other way to overcome the distrusts and division.
I admire your 'wadaniyadnimo ximan jaale, may there be many more like you. Unfortunately at the moment, the Somali qabiliteyaal are too many, and if the majority are qabilite, then how can this Nation be saved, and do they deserve to be saved?
Thanks dear brother :up: I try my best to be nationalistic, the older I get the more wiser I get and the more I start to hate qabyalaad. Don't get me wrong, I respect my clan but it is more of a benefit for my clan to unite with other clans rather than being divided.

Yes, I agree there are more tribalistic Somalis than nationalistic Somalis. You will see a religious Somali still being tribalistic, if the religious Somalis cannot quit tribalism how can you accept the ordinary Somali to quit it? It is very hard process. The only way we change is by changing the whole system in Somalia. And it is not easy to change the system Somalia since we have foreign interference.

But giving up will not solve the problem, no matter how hard the situation we should continue to fight for our dignity and peace. Does our nation deserve to be saved? yes we do because we are Muslims. How can we save this nation? By educating the youth. These old men in power today will die soon, if the youth have this tribal mindset then we are doomed, our only hope is our youth.
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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ximanjaale you are part of the camp that believes Federalism is a destructive force for Somalia!! ok,
Am saying we have tried many systems of governance since its independence, and all them failed simply we don’t trust each other!!!! We are locked into a cycle of repeating the same thing over and over again, expecting different results---

Even if we had central government, people will still vote for their own qabiil!! ( just imagine they will play with electoral register- Muqdisho 20 million resident has voted for Hassan sheikh- Cadaado 15millions resident has voted for Hassan sheikh) no-one will accept the final vote, from north to south.

So what’s the solution?

Before the colonist arrived into our shore- were we united from North to south under one Government,- jawaabtu waa maya (wax la dhaho Somaalinimo miyey jirtey- waa maya jawaabtu)

Since the independence the brothers from North to south - preached somalinimo to Djoubiti,ogadenia, and NFD. The virtues and the benefits of somalinimo--------
It was an Idea Ximaan jaale , we need to come up with a new Idea now— which is Federalism based Qabiilnimo simple –Nin kale oo kuu talin doono majirto.if this fails again we will try a new idea till Yawmul Qiyamah
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

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[quote="quark"

We are not addressing the real issues which is we were never a united nation in the first place so why waste more time?
:up: spot on..
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Federalism=Unadulterated Qabyaalad

:pacspit: on Federalism
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Why don't the qabiils of Somalia sit down under a tree and talk. Somaliland did this with every subclan from every corner of Somaliland talking under a tree with no hand steering from the outside.

this can happen only when the dominant qabiil like hawiye for Somalia initiate such talks. Until then it is forever limbo for you guys
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Post by knet »

Somalia already adopted the Federal System, Now Ask a relevant question. :eat:
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Re: POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

Post by Substance »

No, federalism is bad for Somalia and its good way for our neighbours to make sure Somalia will never be a threat to them. Its funny to see somalis push for this idea, and agreeing with their own enslavement. Im starting to think seperation is the best solution. South-central Somalia should become a new country with a strong central policy. Its either centralism or seperation. Federalism was and is a bad idea. And it was pushed by the enemies of somali people in a time we where
down. It should be rejected and condemned.
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