Is Al-sheydhaan merely a symptom or the diagnosis?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I think most people are missing the issue. Alshabab is not the most powerful faction in Somalia. It's not even the most powerful faction in Southern Somalia. They are just slightly more organised and determined than any army in the south.

The issue in the south is a both a cultural and political one (Some might argue they are one and the same). It is the corrupt and broken tribal system which has been allowed to fester and infect all areas of public life. It is the beggar mentality (and the IC that enable it) that has led to this AID-addicted institution to continue without any thought of self-sufficiency nor any progress. It is the infiltration of all areas of parliament and government offices by illiterate former warlords that allow this situation to continue. It is the culture of blind support for these gutter-rats by diaspora due to tenious tribal ties. It is the culture of complacency and doing the bare minimum (if at all) that allow alshabab to always have the momentum, never the other way around. But most of all it is the cultural lack of foresight and sacrificing for tomorrow. If somalis were bears, we would've died out a long time ago because the concept of storing food and hibernation would be virtually unknown. Heroes are rare in all cultures, they're especially singular in ours.

[Lamagoodle]

I think most people are missing the issue. Alshabab is not the most powerful faction in Somalia. It's not even the most powerful faction in Southern Somalia. They are just slightly more organised and determined than any army in the south.

The issue in the south is a both a cultural and political one (Some might argue they are one and the same). It is the corrupt and broken tribal system which has been allowed to fester and infect all areas of public life. It is the beggar mentality (and the IC that enable it) that has led to this AID-addicted institution to continue without any thought of self-sufficiency nor any progress. It is the infiltration of all areas of parliament and government offices by illiterate former warlords that allow this situation to continue. It is the culture of blind support for these gutter-rats by diaspora due to tenious tribal ties. It is the culture of complacency and doing the bare minimum (if at all) that allow alshabab to always have the momentum, never the other way around. But most of all it is the cultural lack of foresight and sacrificing for tomorrow. If somalis were bears, we would've died out a long time ago because the concept of storing food and hibernation would be virtually unknown. Heroes are rare in all cultures, they're especially singular in ours.

I agree with every word you wrote above.

[LeJusticier]

Let's think outside the box. We know Sufi's have completely lost the plot.
We know Alshabab is offshoot of the Wahhabi movement.
We also know this is lavishly funded by Saudi Arabia and its network of charities.
For over three decades, Saudi Arabia has been spent over USD 100 billion on promoting ideological of Wahhabism.
As long somalis are blaming one another, harboring Ahmed Godane and letting our clerics to be brainwashed in Saudi universities and wahabbi maddarasa back home this darama will continues for years to come.
Islam and Christianity have lived in harmony in African but now look the mess in Cental Africa and Nageria!! Africa oo dhan waxani way wada gaadhi doonaan.

Le justicier

[metamorphosis]

Symptom? More like a full blown epidimic with no cure!

[Lamagoodle]

Let's think outside the box. We know Sufi's have completely lost the plot.
We know Alshabab is offshoot of the Wahhabi movement.
We also know this is lavishly funded by Saudi Arabia and its network of charities.
For over three decades, Saudi Arabia has been spent over USD 100 billion on promoting ideological of Wahhabism.
As long somalis are blaming one another, harboring Ahmed Godane and letting our clerics to be brainwashed in Saudi universities and wahabbi maddarasa back home this darama will continues for years to come.
Islam and Christianity have lived in harmony in African but now look the mess in Cental Africa and Nageria!! Africa oo dhan waxani way wada gaadhi doonaan.

Le justicier

No doubt, SA has used its petrodollars and its geographic position (Mecca and Medina) to spread their weird form of culture disguised as islam.

But, I think our problem goes beyond IWahabi/shababist ideology. We have become a people that are characterised by moral decay.

[LeJusticier]

Let's think outside the box. We know Sufi's have completely lost the plot.
We know Alshabab is offshoot of the Wahhabi movement.
We also know this is lavishly funded by Saudi Arabia and its network of charities.
For over three decades, Saudi Arabia has been spent over USD 100 billion on promoting ideological of Wahhabism.
As long somalis are blaming one another, harboring Ahmed Godane and letting our clerics to be brainwashed in Saudi universities and wahabbi maddarasa back home this darama will continues for years to come.
Islam and Christianity have lived in harmony in African but now look the mess in Cental Africa and Nageria!! Africa oo dhan waxani way wada gaadhi doonaan.

Le justicier

No doubt, SA has used its petrodollars and its geographic position (Mecca and Medina) to spread their weird form of culture disguised as islam.

But, I think our problem goes beyond IWahabi/shababist ideology. We have become a people that are characterised by moral decay.

the right words

[Leftist]

Blaming Al-Shabab for Somalia's bottom of the barrel status is like a prostitute blaming her client for getting her pregnant.(Yes, I am equating Somalia to a prostitute because that's exactly what it, and a plurality(if not outright majority) of it's people, are....if not worse).

Leave it to the maangaab to readily forget recent history, all the while clamoring for this land and that land, all under the patronage of Ethiopia.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey Guulwade Siad Batter decided he was gonna raze Hargeisa to the ground.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey "The-Mahdi" Caydiid decided he was gonna starve Baidoa into submission.

AS did not exist when various warlords and tribal militias, with an alphabet soup of acronyms, were killing, raping and plundering at will all over Somalia.

AS is simply a convenient scapegoat pointed to by dad nolasha ka dhacay. If your raggedy refugee futo is supporting any of the "federal 'lands" or any warlord(i mean, community leader), you have no business pointing fingers at AS, because they are the Frankenstein you created with your willful prostitution and your unsurpassed greed & corruption. And if you insist that you're not responsible for any of that, that you were only born in 1987, then guess what, it's your aabo and your hooyo that are responsible. And if they aren't, then it's your adeero and eedooyin. Those bullets and tikniko that are/were used exclusively on other fellow Somalis(and NEVER against Ethiopia/Kenya) did not materialize out of thin air. Somebody paid for it. Chances are, it's your refugee futo who could not leave behind a primitive mindset even 10,000 miles away in another continent.

But it's a lot easier to sweep all that under the carpet and have professional traitors and illiterate warlords, and the xoolo they represent, from one end of the country to the other, join hands and declare: Anaga iyo walaaleeheena afrikaan'ka waxaan la dagaalaynaa Al-Shabaab, nacala ku yaalo.

Maangaab maangaab dhalay.

[grandpakhalif]

Blaming Al-Shabab for Somalia's bottom of the barrel status is like a prostitute blaming her client for getting her pregnant.(Yes, I am equating Somalia to a prostitute because that's exactly what it, and a plurality(if not outright majority) of it's people, are....if not worse).

Leave it to the maangaab to readily forget recent history, all the while clamoring for this land and that land, all under the patronage of Ethiopia.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey Guulwade Siad Batter decided he was gonna raze Hargeisa to the ground.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey "The-Mahdi" Caydiid decided he was gonna starve Baidoa into submission.

AS did not exit when various warlords and tribal militias, with an alphabet soup of acronyms, were killing, raping and plundering at will all over Somalia.

AS is simply a convenient scapegoat pointed to by dad nolasha ka dhacay. If your raggedy refugee futo is supporting any of the "federal 'lands" or any warlord(i mean, community leader), you have no business pointing fingers at AS, because they are the Frankenstein you created with your willful prostitution and your unsurpassed greed & corruption. And if you insist that you're not responsible for any of that, that you were only born in 1987, then guess what, it's your aabo and your hooyo that are responsible. And if they aren't, then it's your adeero and eedooyin. Those bullets and tikniko that are/were used exclusively on other fellow Somalis(and NEVER against Ethiopia/Kenya) did not materialize out of thin air. Somebody paid for it. Chances are, it's your refugee futo who could not leave behind a primitive mindset even 10,000 miles away in another continent.

But it's a lot easier to sweep all that under the carpet and have professional traitors and illiterate warlords, and the xoolo they represent, from one end of the country to the other, join hands and declare: Anaga iyo walaaleeheena afrikaan'ka waxaan la dagaalaynaa Al-Shabaab, nacala ku yaalo.

Maangaab maangaab dhalay.

Well said!

[sconosciuto]

Blaming Al-Shabab for Somalia's bottom of the barrel status is like a prostitute blaming her client for getting her pregnant.(Yes, I am equating Somalia to a prostitute because that's exactly what it, and a plurality(if not outright majority) of it's people, are....if not worse).

Leave it to the maangaab to readily forget recent history, all the while clamoring for this land and that land, all under the patronage of Ethiopia.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey Guulwade Siad Batter decided he was gonna raze Hargeisa to the ground.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey "The-Mahdi" Caydiid decided he was gonna starve Baidoa into submission.

AS did not exist when various warlords and tribal militias, with an alphabet soup of acronyms, were killing, raping and plundering at will all over Somalia.

AS is simply a convenient scapegoat pointed to by dad nolasha ka dhacay. If your raggedy refugee futo is supporting any of the "federal 'lands" or any warlord(i mean, community leader), you have no business pointing fingers at AS, because they are the Frankenstein you created with your willful prostitution and your unsurpassed greed & corruption. And if you insist that you're not responsible for any of that, that you were only born in 1987, then guess what, it's your aabo and your hooyo that are responsible. And if they aren't, then it's your adeero and eedooyin. Those bullets and tikniko that are/were used exclusively on other fellow Somalis(and NEVER against Ethiopia/Kenya) did not materialize out of thin air. Somebody paid for it. Chances are, it's your refugee futo who could not leave behind a primitive mindset even 10,000 miles away in another continent.

But it's a lot easier to sweep all that under the carpet and have professional traitors and illiterate warlords, and the xoolo they represent, from one end of the country to the other, join hands and declare: Anaga iyo walaaleeheena afrikaan'ka waxaan la dagaalaynaa Al-Shabaab, nacala ku yaalo.

Maangaab maangaab dhalay.

Well said.

[AbdiWahab252]

ASbis the.most organized cohesive force second to the UIC. Unlike other parties, they have an ideology with broad appeal beyond clan fr and even Somalinimo. They are challenging the status quo and providing stability, security and governancecwithout relying on foreign muscle or aid. These combined.factors make them a difficult adversary who can only be defeated by a griup with similar characteristics until then AS will subjugate its adversaries. It sucks but one must learn from the enemy but instead the antiAs are busy fighting each other

[sconosciuto]

ASbis the.most organized cohesive force second to the UIC. Unlike other parties, they have an ideology with broad appeal beyond clan fr and even Somalinimo. They are challenging the status quo and providing stability, security and governancecwithout relying on foreign muscle or aid. These combined.factors make them a difficult adversary who can only be defeated by a griup with similar characteristics until then AS will subjugate its adversaries. It sucks but one must learn from the enemy but instead the antiAs are busy fighting each other

Mr. Beendiid, your views on AS have changed radically. Explain.

[Khalid Ali]

Alshabaab can never be defeated by AU Troops Al shabaab receives its moral strength from the AU troops, Alshabaab is dangerous ideology of Islamism takfirism and they very disciplined they have been severely weakened but cant be defeated the Somali problem the civil war takes different courses every few years. Alshabaab is a reaction of the ongoing Civil war, Somalis find themselves in the midst of a sectarian war.

[JamalAddow]

Blaming Al-Shabab for Somalia's bottom of the barrel status is like a prostitute blaming her client for getting her pregnant.(Yes, I am equating Somalia to a prostitute because that's exactly what it, and a plurality(if not outright majority) of it's people, are....if not worse).

Leave it to the maangaab to readily forget recent history, all the while clamoring for this land and that land, all under the patronage of Ethiopia.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey Guulwade Siad Batter decided he was gonna raze Hargeisa to the ground.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey "The-Mahdi" Caydiid decided he was gonna starve Baidoa into submission.

AS did not exist when various warlords and tribal militias, with an alphabet soup of acronyms, were killing, raping and plundering at will all over Somalia.

AS is simply a convenient scapegoat pointed to by dad nolasha ka dhacay. If your raggedy refugee futo is supporting any of the "federal 'lands" or any warlord(i mean, community leader), you have no business pointing fingers at AS, because they are the Frankenstein you created with your willful prostitution and your unsurpassed greed & corruption. And if you insist that you're not responsible for any of that, that you were only born in 1987, then guess what, it's your aabo and your hooyo that are responsible. And if they aren't, then it's your adeero and eedooyin. Those bullets and tikniko that are/were used exclusively on other fellow Somalis(and NEVER against Ethiopia/Kenya) did not materialize out of thin air. Somebody paid for it. Chances are, it's your refugee futo who could not leave behind a primitive mindset even 10,000 miles away in another continent.

But it's a lot easier to sweep all that under the carpet and have professional traitors and illiterate warlords, and the xoolo they represent, from one end of the country to the other, join hands and declare: Anaga iyo walaaleeheena afrikaan'ka waxaan la dagaalaynaa Al-Shabaab, nacala ku yaalo.

Maangaab maangaab dhalay.

Could not have said it any better.

[Lamagoodle]

Blaming Al-Shabab for Somalia's bottom of the barrel status is like a prostitute blaming her client for getting her pregnant.(Yes, I am equating Somalia to a prostitute because that's exactly what it, and a plurality(if not outright majority) of it's people, are....if not worse).

Leave it to the maangaab to readily forget recent history, all the while clamoring for this land and that land, all under the patronage of Ethiopia.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey Guulwade Siad Batter decided he was gonna raze Hargeisa to the ground.

AS did not exist when Mudane Halyeey "The-Mahdi" Caydiid decided he was gonna starve Baidoa into submission.

AS did not exist when various warlords and tribal militias, with an alphabet soup of acronyms, were killing, raping and plundering at will all over Somalia.

AS is simply a convenient scapegoat pointed to by dad nolasha ka dhacay. If your raggedy refugee futo is supporting any of the "federal 'lands" or any warlord(i mean, community leader), you have no business pointing fingers at AS, because they are the Frankenstein you created with your willful prostitution and your unsurpassed greed & corruption. And if you insist that you're not responsible for any of that, that you were only born in 1987, then guess what, it's your aabo and your hooyo that are responsible. And if they aren't, then it's your adeero and eedooyin. Those bullets and tikniko that are/were used exclusively on other fellow Somalis(and NEVER against Ethiopia/Kenya) did not materialize out of thin air. Somebody paid for it. Chances are, it's your refugee futo who could not leave behind a primitive mindset even 10,000 miles away in another continent.

But it's a lot easier to sweep all that under the carpet and have professional traitors and illiterate warlords, and the xoolo they represent, from one end of the country to the other, join hands and declare: Anaga iyo walaaleeheena afrikaan'ka waxaan la dagaalaynaa Al-Shabaab, nacala ku yaalo.

Maangaab maangaab dhalay.

Leftist, so basically what you are stating is that they are a symptom of a horrible disease?

[Lamagoodle]

ASbis the.most organized cohesive force second to the UIC. Unlike other parties, they have an ideology with broad appeal beyond clan fr and even Somalinimo. They are challenging the status quo and providing stability, security and governancecwithout relying on foreign muscle or aid. These combined.factors make them a difficult adversary who can only be defeated by a griup with similar characteristics until then AS will subjugate its adversaries. It sucks but one must learn from the enemy but instead the antiAs are busy fighting each other

I am of the opinion that they can be defeated if there is a sytem of justice.