Legal arguments against Somaliland?

[SultanOrder]

Lol what a big fat waste of time! The issue has and never will be was there a union, because there was and we have 31 years of that Union. The question is what will be the new relationship for the two entities. How that will be decided is yet to be seen but I guarantee you no one will waste their time arguing about 1960.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

listen actually majorty of northern somali republic voted Yes. the retification of newly consitiation which kaasoo ku qorneeyd unity and territorial integrity is untouchable. the region which most voted NO was bay and bakool .

listen qaldaan.. retification of unity by general public in general election is actually more stronger and legal than retification of just a parlement... Somali republic was democratic country and parlement decided that the best way to Retifid the unity and territorial integrity is to put in general elections and they did.. 90% voted yes. and northern somali closer 100% voted Yes... man listen walaahi iam for 100% hargeysa burco inay goostaan laakiin stop sheekada raqiiska you qaldaamiins ee ah Sharci kuma dhisna unity of somali republic.. maba jiro wax ka sharciyeeysan One man one Vote general elections in dadka la weydiiyo Midnimada somalia Ma dooneysaan HAA ama Maya.. dadkiina majoty of them waxay yiraahdeen HAAAAA...MARKA stop it you cheap argument ee ah unity of somali republic sharci kuma dhisna...

[Khalid Ali]

Its very important from a legal point of view it is what is being presented the Union was done very hasty no one thought of it because it was out of emotions no one really took the chance to speak about the details people were overwhelmed with ethno nationalism unfortunately . But when discussing the union how the 2 countries formed the Somali republic is very essential to talk about it.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Tanzania was formed by Tanganika and Zanzibar. and their union was retified by general election. mid labadaa ka mid ah iskiis uguma dhawaaqi karo waan goosanay..

Somali republic waa saas 20 june 1961 doorashadii ayaa dhamaan somali repubic ku vote gareeyyeen unity of somali republic waa lama taabtaan. gobol iskiis u goosan karaana ma jiro.. marka sxb international law taas ayuu racayaa.. waana sharciga ugu weeyn ee ay ku dhisan tahay unity and territorial integrity of somali republic..

Tanzania sida ay sharci labadaa gobol ugu dhisan tahay ayey somaliyana ugu dhisan tahay.. thats why even cadawgii somaliya ugu weeynaa ETHIOPIA ay uga baqday ugana xishootay inay aqoonsato Gobolada waqooyi ee la magacbaxay somaliland..

maxkamad maanta haddii dacwad laga qaado GOOSASHO vs UNION... IAM sure Hargeysa will loose sxb waayo sharciga wuxuu xigaaa DHINACA unionist sababtoo ah doorashadii ay ogolaadeen dhamaan somali republics citizens 90% yes..

[Xildiiid]

Lol what a big fat waste of time! The issue has and never will be was there a union, because there was and we have 31 years of that Union. The question is what will be the new relationship for the two entities. How that will be decided is yet to be seen but I guarantee you no one will waste their time arguing about 1960.

It wasn't a union.

Somalia annexed Somaliland just like Haile Selassie annexed Eritrea.

[Xildiiid]

Tanzania was formed by Tanganika and Zanzibar. and their union was retified by general election. mid labadaa ka mid ah iskiis uguma dhawaaqi karo waan goosanay..

Somali republic waa saas 20 june 1961 doorashadii ayaa dhamaan somali repubic ku vote gareeyyeen unity of somali republic waa lama taabtaan. gobol iskiis u goosan karaana ma jiro.. marka sxb international law taas ayuu racayaa.. waana sharciga ugu weeyn ee ay ku dhisan tahay unity and territorial integrity of somali republic..

Tanzania sida ay sharci labadaa gobol ugu dhisan tahay ayey somaliyana ugu dhisan tahay.. thats why even cadawgii somaliya ugu weeynaa ETHIOPIA ay uga baqday ugana xishootay inay aqoonsato Gobolada waqooyi ee la magacbaxay somaliland..

maxkamad maanta haddii dacwad laga qaado GOOSASHO vs UNION... IAM sure Hargeysa will loose sxb waayo sharciga wuxuu xigaaa DHINACA unionist sababtoo ah doorashadii ay ogolaadeen dhamaan somali republics citizens 90% yes..

Ignoratio elenchi.

Your entire post is an irrelevant conclusion.

I repeat disprove the arguments made by Salah al-Din with facts or shut the fuck up.

[SimplySerene]

I also thought Salah al-Din post was interesting. If the union was legitimate, wouldn’t members on this forum at least post signed article documents proving the union was ratified?


Even if there was a legitimate union, if both countries/territories have the right enter into a union then both should also have the right to enter out.

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Attempting a union even seems unrealistic to me. There is huge gap and difference between the two entities.


I was reading this the other day.

Italy and the United Kingdom had left the two with separate administrative, legal, and education systems in which affairs were conducted according to different procedures and in different languages. Police, taxes, and the exchange rates of their respective currencies also differed. Their educated elites had divergent interests, and economic contacts between the two regions were virtually nonexistent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Republic

These were huge barriers and obstacles to overcome so it shouldn’t be a surprise that things in the ended in a failure.

[SultanOrder]

Lol what a big fat waste of time! The issue has and never will be was there a union, because there was and we have 31 years of that Union. The question is what will be the new relationship for the two entities. How that will be decided is yet to be seen but I guarantee you no one will waste their time arguing about 1960.

It wasn't a union.

Somalia annexed Somaliland just like Haile Selassie annexed Eritrea.

No one annexed anyone but Xamar became the capitol of the new Somali Republic.

What Somaliland is trying to do is trying to annex territory belonging to the Somali Republic.

Like I said this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't matter. Somaliland is here to stay but, in what form will be decided by all of us.

[Estarix]

Consider this desperation for having a separate country i personally cant see anymore why the average Somali would want to keep Somaliland part of Somalia anymore, their is very little you bring to the table and your land are mostly resourceless, but even if this wasn't the case i wouldn't see why anyone would want to stick to people who want to have nothing to do with you.
Personally i couldn't care less, if i was the leader i'd have no second thoughts of keeping your people in the union, id sign off any papers and would official recognise your country, this 50 year conundrum and hissyfit from both sides has got to stop somewhere.

[Xildiiid]

Lol what a big fat waste of time! The issue has and never will be was there a union, because there was and we have 31 years of that Union. The question is what will be the new relationship for the two entities. How that will be decided is yet to be seen but I guarantee you no one will waste their time arguing about 1960.

It wasn't a union.

Somalia annexed Somaliland just like Haile Selassie annexed Eritrea.

No one annexed anyone but Xamar became the capitol of the new Somali Republic.

What Somaliland is trying to do is trying to annex territory belonging to the Somali Republic.

Like I said this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't matter. Somaliland is here to stay but, in what form will be decided by all of us.

Somalia annexed Somaliland. The military occupation starting in 1961 and the political alienation before 1961 and after despite the absence of a legal union is enough proof.

What you're saying is that the "Somali republic" got more right to Somaliland than Somaliland got to her own regions? That's f-king ridiculous.

Btw, there's no such thing as Somali republic. Your country is called the federal republic of Somalia while my country is called the republic of Somaliland.

If wishes were horses beggars would ride, you can put your hopes on the current, weak SL leadership who always talks about nonsense such as respect and brotherhood but when we the younger generation take over which is quite soon we'll fuck Somalia raw, no condom.

Somaliland will regain its sovereignty and trust me we'll make sure of that.

[Xildiiid]

Consider this desperation for having a separate country i personally cant see anymore why the average Somali would want to keep Somaliland part of Somalia anymore, their is very little you bring to the table and your land are mostly resourceless, but even if this wasn't the case i wouldn't see why anyone would want to stick to people who want to have nothing to do with you.
Personally i couldn't care less, if i was the leader i'd have no second thoughts of keeping your people in the union, id sign off any papers and would official recognise your country, this 50 year conundrum and hissyfit from both sides has got to stop somewhere.

Desperation?

It's called reevaluating after being confronted with the nature of Walaweyn beasts for 54 years. Somaliland was the first Somali state to gain independence and we gave up our sovereignty for what we thought was a "noble cause". The cynical betrayal became a lesson for Djibouti in 1977 and that's the only good thing that came out of all this.

If Somaliland is resourceless or not is none of your business. Worry about your occupied country.

[sahal80]

Who annexed who? Somaliland was part of somalia even before somalia had a president(1 of jul and cigaal was celebrating in xamar with them, he was waiting to get appointed as the pm but addan adde said we both are irir it doesn't work)

The true is that gobolka waqooyi was waiting to unite with koonfur with the uks knowledge that why it didn't had diplomatic relations in these 5 days.

In other words, the union come from north even addan adde has suggested to post-pone it until one educational system was created, it was the waqooyis who suggested to exchange the teachers instead.

You got one chance of independence referendum in life and that's under the colonial power, if you didn't take advantage of the colonial referendum, you got only one interior referendum wich depends on the country you become part of it.

[Khalid Ali]

Consider this desperation for having a separate country i personally cant see anymore why the average Somali would want to keep Somaliland part of Somalia anymore, their is very little you bring to the table and your land are mostly resourceless, but even if this wasn't the case i wouldn't see why anyone would want to stick to people who want to have nothing to do with you.
Personally i couldn't care less, if i was the leader i'd have no second thoughts of keeping your people in the union, id sign off any papers and would official recognise your country, this 50 year conundrum and hissyfit from both sides has got to stop somewhere.

This reverse psychology does not work on Somailand the people of Somaliland they were the one that said no to the union in 1991 and got rid of it , not you , you and your leaders for you Somaliland is very emotional, you want to speak with 2 mouths , first u say we bring noting to table but still u want to be united with us strange i had this conversation with a guy from the south last year , and he was u guys have nothing we should be glad ur not part of us, and i said why are not glad and happy why not let bygone be bygone and call it a day waxad mooda in wax jiidayso liigayso We already made our decision its you cant make up your mind well atleast your leaders and the vast majority of your poeple.

[sconosciuto]

The legality is null, because it's based on a similar Sykes–Picot agreement.

[BigBreak]

the international community will insist on a referendum for somaliland being separate or de facto returning to the union with somalia, somaliland obviously being the same as ex british somaliland protectorate with identical boundaries.

all somaliland (both people and govt) needs to do is keep firm and shout to both zoomalia and the world that indpendence is the ONLY option otherwise there will be war (which somaliland will win for sure)