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What a farce this federalism crap is.

So Federalists are argueing that N Mudug shouldn't be forced into the State, but every community in Central Somalia should be?

Federalism exposed as a clan agenda

Murax wrote:Osob1,

How the Federalism will be adpoted, I think should be debated that is perfectly fine. Personally if You ask me Murax, HG are more useful in fighting AS in L Shabelle than a D&M in L Shabelle, but thats just Me. All I'm saying is Federalism isn't and shouldn't be up for debate, but the implementation of it should be.




Personally in this particular case with the Central State, there is simply no other option than 1 and a half gobol. Hiiraan wants more part of it, Northern Mudug wants no part of it. I don't think Xawaadle should be forced into it, and I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it. 1 and a half is the only option, otherwise just have that region come under the Gov straight. If anything this Federal State helps Hawiye get the same seats in the upper house as Daroods. I don't understand the uproar.

I hate to say this to you but you are one hell of a hypocritical bitch umm excuse my language , you were very adamant about the two or more regions only forming a federal state but now that somehow tables have turned you seem to be pushing for a constitutional amendment for one and half gobol being able to form a federal state. Other than Bimaal who are being finances and getting owned if i may so by iljeex Garre and Digil which are the two largest non hawiye clans in the gobol support a shabelle state heck Garre holds the Presidency. Hiiraan wants to create its own Federal state and if you are going to be a sneaky little cheese head than i say Hiiraan since it is an orginal Gobol that has never been split should also be accomodated. I support a federal system but it must come from the people with proper elections and census and now some IGAD,XSM,you abti Abiweli or Nicholas Kaye. Am actually enjoying this whole drama and Fiasco because i know what Damaljadiid are up to and its an entertainment to see them doing it.

Pardon my ignorance but who settles in Mudug aside from HGs and MJs? Whoever they are God must be testing them or something to be caught between the aforementioned groups.

Osob101 wrote:

Murax wrote:Osob1,

How the Federalism will be adpoted, I think should be debated that is perfectly fine. Personally if You ask me Murax, HG are more useful in fighting AS in L Shabelle than a D&M in L Shabelle, but thats just Me. All I'm saying is Federalism isn't and shouldn't be up for debate, but the implementation of it should be.




Personally in this particular case with the Central State, there is simply no other option than 1 and a half gobol. Hiiraan wants more part of it, Northern Mudug wants no part of it. I don't think Xawaadle should be forced into it, and I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it. 1 and a half is the only option, otherwise just have that region come under the Gov straight. If anything this Federal State helps Hawiye get the same seats in the upper house as Daroods. I don't understand the uproar.

I hate to say this to you but you are one hell of a hypocritical bitch umm excuse my language , you were very adamant about the two or more regions only forming a federal state but now that somehow tables have turned you seem to be pushing for a constitutional amendment for one and half gobol being able to form a federal state. Other than Bimaal who are being finances and getting owned if i may so by iljeex Garre and Digil which are the two largest non hawiye clans in the gobol support a shabelle state heck Garre holds the Presidency. Hiiraan wants to create its own Federal state and if you are going to be a sneaky little cheese head than i say Hiiraan since it is an orginal Gobol that has never been split should also be accomodated. I support a federal system but it must come from the people with proper elections and census and now some IGAD,XSM,you abti Abiweli or Nicholas Kaye. Am actually enjoying this whole drama and Fiasco because i know what Damaljadiid are up to and its an entertainment to see them doing it.

Murax doesn't see his contradictions. "I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it." Dude then what the hell is the point of federalism? Every tribe in Somalia could opt out of all federal states.

Marques wrote:Murax doesn't see his contradictions. "I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it." Dude then what the hell is the point of federalism? Every tribe in Somalia could opt out of all federal states.

No, MJ can opt out because it is MJ, always a special case.
The whole point of the federalism endeavor was to create Jubaland, we don't really care at this point what happens.

Clear evidence of how even the layout of federalism doesn't work, let alone the risks and long term ailments asosciated with the implementation and maintenance of federalism.

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Marques wrote:Murax doesn't see his contradictions. "I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it." Dude then what the hell is the point of federalism? Every tribe in Somalia could opt out of all federal states.

No, MJ can opt out because it is MJ, always a special case.
The whole point of the federalism endeavor was to create Jubaland, we don't really care at this point what happens.

They do have a point though, if federalism is going to be based on regions then you are going to have to stick to the rules. Why shouldnt Puntland give up its share of Mudug?

Estarix wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Marques wrote:Murax doesn't see his contradictions. "I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it." Dude then what the hell is the point of federalism? Every tribe in Somalia could opt out of all federal states.

No, MJ can opt out because it is MJ, always a special case.
The whole point of the federalism endeavor was to create Jubaland, we don't really care at this point what happens.

They do have a point though, if federalism is going to be based on regions then you are going to have to stick to the rules. Why shouldnt Puntland give up its share of Mudug?

unbelievable, nigga bounce with your 2 district and join whoever you want

Masaakiin AUP-FSDRians, federalism is inherently designed to fail.

Estarix wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Marques wrote:Murax doesn't see his contradictions. "I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it." Dude then what the hell is the point of federalism? Every tribe in Somalia could opt out of all federal states.

No, MJ can opt out because it is MJ, always a special case.
The whole point of the federalism endeavor was to create Jubaland, we don't really care at this point what happens.

They do have a point though, if federalism is going to be based on regions then you are going to have to stick to the rules. Why shouldnt Puntland give up its share of Mudug?

I am glad the kid opened up to the clannist agenda with which he propelled the Federal BS. No point taking this shit serious anymore..

Osob101 wrote:

Murax wrote:Osob1,

How the Federalism will be adpoted, I think should be debated that is perfectly fine. Personally if You ask me Murax, HG are more useful in fighting AS in L Shabelle than a D&M in L Shabelle, but thats just Me. All I'm saying is Federalism isn't and shouldn't be up for debate, but the implementation of it should be.




Personally in this particular case with the Central State, there is simply no other option than 1 and a half gobol. Hiiraan wants more part of it, Northern Mudug wants no part of it. I don't think Xawaadle should be forced into it, and I don't think Laylkasse, MJ should be forced into it. 1 and a half is the only option, otherwise just have that region come under the Gov straight. If anything this Federal State helps Hawiye get the same seats in the upper house as Daroods. I don't understand the uproar.

I hate to say this to you but you are one hell of a hypocritical bitch umm excuse my language , you were very adamant about the two or more regions only forming a federal state but now that somehow tables have turned you seem to be pushing for a constitutional amendment for one and half gobol being able to form a federal state. Other than Bimaal who are being finances and getting owned if i may so by iljeex Garre and Digil which are the two largest non hawiye clans in the gobol support a shabelle state heck Garre holds the Presidency. Hiiraan wants to create its own Federal state and if you are going to be a sneaky little cheese head than i say Hiiraan since it is an orginal Gobol that has never been split should also be accomodated. I support a federal system but it must come from the people with proper elections and census and now some IGAD,XSM,you abti Abiweli or Nicholas Kaye. Am actually enjoying this whole drama and Fiasco because i know what Damaljadiid are up to and its an entertainment to see them doing it.

Its never ending the level of falsely claims pouring out of her arse, nayaa state the truth and not something you'd hope to be true, Mr Nur Sidi doesn't support anything nor share any views of joining hawiye pushed state. Show me one source instead of ranting about some individual who was appointed governor since the fall of A.Y not because of his Garre clan having any significance in region but rather for his educational achievements and knowledge in the region. This chick is a walking a contradiction looking desperately to connect what little she finds informative and over drenching it with her imagination.

quark wrote:

unbelievable, nigga bounce with your 2 district and join whoever you want

I know your a secessionist and you dont give a damn, so my question was hardly aimed at you. Im interested in knowing the answer of those who want genuine solution under the current federalist framework and are willing to make sacrifices to move the country forward. But i can also see how im a tad unfair, Mudug can also entirely fall under Puntland technically so thats an option.
The other option is that reconfigure the regional boundaries and begin creating new names for them, same would apply for the cities.

What's with all the bullshit going around the past few days in here Looks like the Hutus are getting increasingly desperate. For a state to form in Zoomalia, it should fulfil the two states & more requirement. Puntland fulfils that as its much more than 2 states. Whats not allowed is something like the current half of mudug and galguduud region which is less than the two states requirement.

Happy 16th Anniversary To The Pride Of Somalia

Puntites have always had a semblance of peace, prosperity and order, traders by nature, our people have always been autonomous and proud. For thousands of years, the guardians of Dal-Udug have ensured that every inch of ancestral land is safeguarded. Insha'allah the torch shall be passed onto the future generation".


Today we celebrate the 16th Birthday of Dal Udug/Puntland.

The Rebirth Of A Nation The 16th Anniversary Of Puntland State Of Somalia.


Magalada Garowe oo laga xusay dhalashadda Puntland
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Magalo madaxda Puntland ee Garowe ayaa maanta oo Jimce ah waxaa lagu qabtay munaasibad lagu maamusayo xuska kowda Agoosto oo ku beegan waqtigii la aasasay 1998.

Fagaaraha caanka ah ee baraxada oo ay iskugu yimaadeen kumanaan dadwayne ah oo calanka Puntland qaarkood ku labisan ayaa waxaa lagu soo bandhigay fantasiyo kala duwan waxana wadada laamiga ah maray xaafadaha,iskuulada,Jaamacadaha,Barakacayasha iyo qaybaha kala duwan ee ciidanka difaaca dowladda Puntland.

Goobta munaasibada lagu qabtay waxaa ku sugnaa gollayaasha kala duwan ee dowladda iyo madaxdooda ugu saraysa,saraakiisha ammaanka iyo dadwayne kale oo dalka iyo dibada uga yimi inay Garowe ku muujiyaan dhalashada Puntland.

Wasiirka howlaha guud iyo gaadiidka oo ahaa gudoomiyaha qaban qaabada xuska Cabdirashiid Maxamed Daahir ayaa goobta ka sheegay inay waqti iyo dadaal badan galiyeen sidii xus wanaagsan loogu samayn lahaa Puntland xiligii la dhidmay oo 16-sano ay kasoo wareegatay.

Cudada ciidanka iyo isku xirnaanshaha shacabka ayuu sheegay inay tahay mid loogu talo galay inay ka naxaan cadowga Puntland iyo dadka dhibkeeda jecel.

Madaxwaynaha Puntland oo xuskani ay u ahayd tii ugu horaysay oo uu ka qayb galo Dr.Cabdiwali Maxamed Cali (Gaas) ayaa sheegay khudbadda uu Kowda Agoosto ugu talo galay inuu soo jeedin doono habeenimada caawa ah balse uu ku faraxsan yahay qaabka ay shacabka Puntland ugu midaysan yihiin xusaska noocan oo kale ah.

Munaasibado tan la mid ah ayaa ka socda gobalada kale ee Puntland iyo dalka dibadiisa kuwaasoo lagu soo bandhigayo taariikhdii iyo marlaxadaha ay Puntland soo martay.

Puntland ayaa la dhisay 1998 xiligaasi oo ay shir wayne iskugu yimaadeen Isimo,Cuqaal,siyaasiyiin,Haween.dhalinyaro iyo aqon yahano kuwaasoo sheegay inay muhiim tahay sidii loo baadi goobi lahaa qaranimaddii Soomaaliya ayna qasab tahay in marka hore gobaladda waqooyi bari mamul oo dhiso.