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[eliteSomali]

Lol @ cagdheer elitesomali with his over repetitive post's on this thread, I see I have touched a nerve seeing that you caanoboore's are special cases. You guys are worse than the average retarded Somali. Ouch!

Why are you insulting a somali tribe? It took less than 10 minutes to reveal your inner clannist to everyone here. Now would you stop with this fake patriotic crap?

[skywalker25]

I can see why the Marexaan are so disunited and disorganised. Its due to the likes of Ximmanxaare dragging the team down instead of playing in his position and helping the team win. You won't find anyone like him amongst the majerteen/Isaaq or even Hawiye..

Ximaanxare how does it feel to be the only bila tol. If you died tomorrow cleaning the toilets in xamar your top will just shrug their shoulders, turn around and walk away in disgust...

[Estarix]

Who said by force? Also centralism was never brought through force in Somalia. Don't confuse a military coup over centralism. Somalia had a unitary (central/decentralised) government since 1960.

Barre's regime went downhill in the 80's because he brought back qabil into the political arena not because he kept ignoring qabil. Qabil can be easily eradicated in Somali politics we have experienced and seen it. But the question is how can we contain it and continue with this path.

Actually Barre's regime went downhill in the 70s, it was during this period that he attempted to also remove clanism. Barre also during this targeted singled out certain regions for "anti revolutionary activities, anyone mindful of clan politics and clan or at least clan conscious would have known that it would have been committing attacks against certain clans. Centralism had already existed in the 60s and was a more extreme version was simply continued during the 70s.

[XimanJaale]

What value is intelligence with little conscious?

Then you well say, what value is a feeble mind with little conscious. Touche.

Who inflicts more pain and anguish?

Absolutely the idiot with little conscious will inflict more pain and anguish, for one he/she aren't even aware of the pain and anguish they have brought. At least the intelligent one will realise even with his/her little conscious and will have the opportunity to use his/her intelligence to correct their ways.

You see for the intelligent person when there is a will there will always will be a way, but same can't be said for the un-intelligent person.

[Classiq]

Lol ximan they found out what federalism really was now everyone is like nah nvm cause their clan will become minorities in some places.

Hawiye and Darood both have 2 federal states idk why they are mad.


It just proves centralism is the right way and qabil states gotta go

[Sophisticate]

Some people are really opportunistic especially those smart ones, couple that with cunning and wicked wordplay and you have yourself a beast or sociopath. Not just your petty thief armed to the teeth.

[XimanJaale]

Actually Barre's regime went downhill in the 70s, it was during this period that he attempted to also remove clanism. Barre also during this targeted singled out certain regions for "anti revolutionary activities, anyone mindful of clan politics and clan or at least clan conscious would have known that it would have been committing attacks against certain clans. Centralism had already existed in the 60s and was a more extreme version was simply continued during the 70s.

No no no, you are totally wrong. Barre's regime was still anti-qabil until the early 80's especially when the SNM was be formed in 1981. Despite SSDF rebel-ism in the late 70's there was no qabyaalad that was brought in the governance.

Somalia went downhill in the 80's. Look at many UN and international reports on Somalia from all the way into the early 80's the country was doing actually well, we might had some bad times at the late 70's because of the 77 war but that is because we went to war with another country and not because the regime brought qabyaalad into the governance.

There is no such thing as a extreme version of centralism. There is either centralism or decentralised governance. You are confusing dictatorship (which is a different thing) to centralism. Dictatorship means a totalitarian governance, where a leader has the supreme power of everything, from naming/appointing regional governors to calling the shots at everything and anything.


In all dictatorial governance there will always be a rebellion, and in this case Somalis used qabil to rebel against the dictatorial governance. In other countries they use religion or political movements etc.

And yes, Barre did single out certain groups. But not because of qabyaalad because they were rebelling against him. He had no grudge against the clan. It just because that particular group was using their clan to rebel against him.

[XimanJaale]

Some people are really opportunistic especially those smart ones, couple that with cunning and wicked wordplay and you have yourself a beast or sociopath. Not just your petty thief armed to the teeth.

But at least the intelligent person opportunities are for something great. Unlike the un-intelligent whose sole opportunities or ambitions are primitive things such as fighting over a dusty town etc.

Yes, intelligent people in general tend be more sociopath but it is inevitable it is one of the bad symptoms of being intelligent can bring. However at least the intelligent person does it in a cunning and wicked way. And for the maskiin retard he/she are more likely to get caught in their primitive crimes compared to the intelligent one. So it is always the intelligent that wins.

Reminds me of the white/blue collar crimes. In reality it is a white/blue collar role since intelligent people tend to be rich whilst the retarded ones are poor. Hence why Somalia is a poor country, majority of its population are retarded.

[XimanJaale]

Lol ximan they found out what federalism really was now everyone is like nah nvm cause their clan will become minorities in some places.

Hawiye and Darood both have 2 federal states idk why they are mad.


It just proves centralism is the right way and qabil states gotta go

Mashallah, you are indeed intelligent. Welcome aboard! I'am always fond of your opinions on this forum. Very refreshing

I predict great things for your children or future children.

[Estarix]

There are varying levels of centralism ofcourse, for example it can apply to the extent of control a single government can have, does the government merely entrust and delegate local power for different regions, the extent of power the local leaders have or is it entirely vested in the hands of one person. in economic terms it would apply to the extent control of the means of produce is controlled by the government. Its not just black and white there are different shades of colour. If you know about history of governance you know what im talking about. The Barre regime nationalised private industries and assests.

Secondly the country was close to collapsing after the war, the economy completely collapsed at the time and the country had a refugee crisis in its hand, so it was supported by western powers - this applies for building major infrastructure or financing and equipping the army. Secondly the country was fragmenting into clan lines, in 1979 the WSLF was waging an armed campaign against isaaqs in the North. This was when major clan grievances was really spilling out into the open.

[YummyMummy]

Ximanxaare must make every Marexaan face palm. He is whats known in certain circles as; waste man.

Here comes another un-intelligent clown. Apparently reading from his comment, I can see that he ain't intelligent enough to be his own individual person hence why he values the pack mentality.

I will feel sorry for your children or your future children. They will have a clown as a dad.

Lol ximan they found out what federalism really was now everyone is like nah nvm cause their clan will become minorities in some places.

Hawiye and Darood both have 2 federal states idk why they are mad.


It just proves centralism is the right way and qabil states gotta go

Mashallah, you are indeed intelligent. Welcome aboard! I'am always fond of your opinions on this forum. Very refreshing

I predict great things for your children or future children.

[XimanJaale]

There are varying levels of centralism ofcourse, for example it can apply to the extent of control a single government can have, does the government merely entrust and delegate local power for different regions, the extent of power the local leaders have or is it entirely vested in the hands of one person. in economic terms it would apply to the extent control of the means of produce is controlled by the government. Its not just black and white there are different shades of colour. If you know about history of governance you know what im talking about.

Secondly the country was close to collapsing after the war, the economy completely collapsed at the time and the country had a refugee crisis in its hand, so it was supported by western powers - this applies for building major infrastructure or financing and equipping the army. Secondly the country was fragmenting into clan lines, in 1979 the WSLF was waging an armed campaign against isaaqs in the North. This was when major clan grievances was really spilling out into the open.

In terms of business/economy privatising or nationalising certain industries does not equate high level of centralism or low level of centralism. Centralism is a governance ideology not a economic ideology though the two do inter-twine.

Yes in some countries, certain governments have more control on domestic and foreign affairs and others might have moderate or less. It is usually the federal system or confederation system that has the less control.

Also it is stupid thing to say that the country was collapsing after the 1977 war. How can a country collapse? In what way? You should use better terminology. You should say the country was facing turbulence of trouble mainly economic and foreign relations. But the country was not in a state of anarchy or significant trouble, because Somalia was actually faring and doing quite well in general compared to many African countries.

Besides why we should talk on point. You were mentioning how it is impossible to eradicate qabil from governance. And I proofed to you that from 1969-1979 Somalia was free from qabil related governance and we can still do that in modern times. But it will be struggle since most Somalis are just dumb retards that are not politically savy.

[XimanJaale]

Why are you insulting a somali tribe? It took less than 10 minutes to reveal your inner clannist to everyone here. Now would you stop with this fake patriotic crap?

Waryaa doqon Ogaden, I'am not a patriotic. I never said I was, though I wish I was.

You and other retard Somalis need to put this in your thick skull:

One does not need to be a nationalist to want a peaceful and functioning Somalia. I can be the biggest qabyaalist or racist and still want the better for my country. White Americans are racist against Black Americans does that mean they do not want a peaceful and functioning USA?

Kulaha fake patriotic crap. Nothing patriotic about this thread dude.

p.s. Patriotism does not mean love of your people, mostly love of your country and nation and culture etc. Though I love most Somalis, especially Gadabuursi, Tuumals, Ciise, Hawiye (to a certain extent) and all other Somalis. Dhabacyo's, Cagdheers and Eydoors I have no care about.

[Classiq]

Lol ximan they found out what federalism really was now everyone is like nah nvm cause their clan will become minorities in some places.

Hawiye and Darood both have 2 federal states idk why they are mad.


It just proves centralism is the right way and qabil states gotta go

Mashallah, you are indeed intelligent. Welcome aboard! I'am always fond of your opinions on this forum. Very refreshing

I predict great things for your children or future children.

Lol its not intelligence i didnt have to brainstorm what the problem is it was common sense. Out of all people abdiweli who was the pm of the tfg and was apart of the making of the constitution should know this is what he created. Maybe it was wrong of the government to declare it too soon cause they were still mourning the death of saado ali. Also they should have sat down with the man and told him the plan instead of almost giving the man a heart attack lol. They probably ran into his office yelling " THEY TOOK MUDUG!!"

[XimanJaale]

Yummymummy,

Huuno, don't take any offence

Lol its not intelligence i didnt have to brainstorm what the problem is it was common sense. Out of all people abdiweli who was the pm of the tfg and was apart of the making of the constitution should know this is what he created. Maybe it was wrong of the government to declare it too soon cause they were still mourning the death of saado ali. Also they should have sat down with the man and told him the plan instead of almost giving the man a heart attack lol. They probably ran into his office yelling " THEY TOOK MUDUG!!"

Lol good of you to be modest, but trust me one needs to be intelligent to realise shit like this. Majority of Somalis are retards.