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I'd draw the line at receiving interest.

Murax, missing a Salah due to your own fault does not render one a kafir, abandoning it completly and intentionally does. Not a single person on snet can say that they've prayed every day 5 times since they have become accountable for their deeds.

I was comparing the two, and why Riba is something someone goes through due to their own decisions.

The whole corrupt system of rule in the west which reflects on the disfortunate in the third world is due to riba, the IMF is riba, the world bank is riba, and if you contribute to it then you place yourself in danger, considering you are muslim and all.

And since Allah and his prophet have no where said that if neccesary take interest-based loans, I won't believe the word of a scholar that is susecptible to mistakes, surely if the law of neccisity including interest based transactions it would be so important that Allah and his prophet would have mentioned it? Truth is Allah gives a dire warning to muslims who return to riba based transactions after knowing it's evil.

Evol, if you didn't know the law on interest when you initially took it, then it doesn't really matter.

My cousin told his parents he is not going to uni because of the riba-based transactions, his mother had a stomach ache because he didn't want to go to uni! Heerkaasi aya dadkaan gaadheen.

If you really want a background into this entire subject, then please watch the following lecture, very detailed with historical information to the introduction of this modern post-WW2 INTEREST-BASED monetary system.



This sheikh explains why it's haram, by using examples of the prophet (pbuh) explaining Riba to bilal (RA), when Bilal traded 2kg's of inferior quality dates for 1kg of superior quality dates, the prophet said " Bilal, that is the essence of Riba" .

Those who are interested, watch it, those who ain't bugger off.

the "line" shouldn't pass 3% but China, the king of trade knows all about this shit

ZubeirAwal wrote:Murax, missing a Salah due to your own fault does not render one a kafir, abandoning it completly and intentionally does. Not a single person on snet can say that they've prayed every day 5 times since they have become accountable for their deeds.

I was comparing the two, and why Riba is something someone goes through due to their own decisions.

I've missed Salah's many times, its disgusting, Kuffr, but its the truth. Even when we're too sick or have broken legs We still pay sitting down, proving how important this is. My Grandmother in Saudi was disabled, yet would never miss a Salah as there are millions of Muslims like Her Mashallah.


To forget to pray, and then make it up is fine Allah does not punish us according to what We forget. However just like the Quran, Ahadeeth, Sahaba, Imam Ahmed and major scholars all agreed upon, leaving it because of laziness is Kuffr. Ribba is Haram, and those of us who engage in it are at risk for hellfire, but You're still Muslim, albiet a Muslim who's committing Haram.

Machiavelli2 wrote:Yusuf Al Qadrawi is not a credible scholar but Zubair from Somalinet through Google is. Only in Somalinet.

how did i miss this post

Mother fock student loan. I owe them 10 grand.

Murax , khair Allah ko seeyo inader. I couldn't said it better.

Allah hano sahlo, riba every where! So far I never signed any riba contract. Allaho ila 3eli.

What kinda BS is this... Comparing two major sins to lessen one LoL.

Look at what Murax said and see all the proofs where missing a Salah intentionally is kufr. So this whole comparison is pointless.

The whole story and notion is stupid and you shouldn't go throwing yourself or your aunt under the bus. She said you should pray, you bring the fact that she's taken interest, she brings up another sin of your and we could go in circles for days.

thehappyone wrote:taking interest isnt xaraam, you are improving your life to become a better muslim, giving out interest is the xaraam part as your profiting from someone's else desperate situation

Wrong. Any sort of interest taken despite how you use is completely xaram.

Abukar: You are right. You are better off missing salats for months than to consume a single penny of interest. The smallest amount of riBa taken in terms of severity consumed is akin to having an intercourse with your mother. Now that is some serious shit. If that doesn't deter people away from interest, I don't know what will.


For those who are considering taking loans for education, you can always take it from family members(or a collection of family members) or seek for loans that offer no interest.

eliteSomali wrote:

thehappyone wrote:taking interest isnt xaraam, you are improving your life to become a better muslim, giving out interest is the xaraam part as your profiting from someone's else desperate situation

Wrong. Any sort of interest taken despite how you use is completely xaram.

Abukar: You are right. You are better off missing salats for months than to consume a single penny of interest. The smallest amount of riBa taken in terms of severity consumed is akin to having an intercourse with your mother. Now that is some serious shit. If that doesn't deter people away from interest, I don't know what will.


For those who are considering taking loans for education, you can always take it from family members(or a collection of family members) or seek for loans that offer no interest.

Sxb.the uk is a ghetto.most families ask their children to give them some of the.uni loan.

eliteSomali wrote: For those who are considering taking loans for education, you can always take it from family members(or a collection of family members) or seek for loans that offer no interest.

Or pay off the loan before the grace period finishes You can also get deferrals here on payments if you don't have a job (at least here in Ontario)

Shirib wrote:The whole story and notion is stupid and you shouldn't go throwing yourself or your aunt under the bus. She said you should pray, you bring the fact that she's taken interest, she brings up another sin of your and we could go in circles for days.

The point is not me missing the Salah, the point is at how some regard missing the Salah more dangerous and sinful than consuming and buying with interest. This point flew over your heads and now you're taking shots at me, I know well that missing one's salah is wrong and I take precautions against that, however every muslim knows that the warning of " fa'dhunu xarb min Allah wa rasuulihi" is more of a greater sin.