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Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:55 pm
by StormShadow
^ ogadeen is a nickname niyoow he was the youngest of the four ilmo absame so his dad told adeer abdi kuumade in uu ogaado kanyar that's how the nickname came.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:16 pm
by theyuusuf143
Hilaac21 wrote:^ ogadeen is a nickname niyoow he was the youngest of the four ilmo absame so his dad told adeer abdi kuumade in uu ogaado kanyar that's how the nickname came.
My whole point is Is, are daarod clan early family names seem more arabic or somali ? Even when you said " his dad told adeer abdi kuumade in uu OGAADO kanyar that's how the nickname came" it really feels like we are talking about pure Somali family speaking and behaving like modern day nomadic somalis in hawd desert ! . So what was the actual name of ogaden ?
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:19 pm
by thegoodshepherd
theyuusuf143 wrote:What about these ?!
Ogaden darod
Agarone darod
Dhegadheere darod
Hodme darod
Kohdin darod
E.g sade darod was later given the name ahmed for arabization.But the question is why not Ogaden?
These clans are not Darood
Sade has always been Ahmed. Ogaden is naynas, his name is Abdulrahman.
Isaaq copied the Darood origins story of descent from Abdulrahman Ismail Abdulsamad.
What is more likely, 1-Isaaq origins are true or 2- You copied the origin story of your Darood neighbors?? I think it is obvious.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:32 pm
by Togdeer
thegoodshepherd wrote:theyuusuf143 wrote:What about these ?!
Ogaden darod
Agarone darod
Dhegadheere darod
Hodme darod
Kohdin darod
E.g sade darod was later given the name ahmed for arabization.But the question is why not Ogaden?
These clans are not Darood
Sade has always been Ahmed. Ogaden is naynas, his name is Abdulrahman.
Isaaq copied the Darood origins story of descent from Abdulrahman Ismail Abdulsamad.
The question should be can Daroods trace their name all they way to qurash?
I doubt it, we isaaqs can trace our name all the way to nabi Adan.
What is more likely, 1-Isaaq origins are true or 2- You copied the origin story of your Darood neighbors?? I think it is obvious.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:41 pm
by theyuusuf143
thegoodshepherd wrote:theyuusuf143 wrote:What about these ?!
Ogaden darod
Agarone darod
Dhegadheere darod
Hodme darod
Kohdin darod
E.g sade darod was later given the name ahmed for arabization.But the question is why not Ogaden?
These clans are not Darood
Sade has always been Ahmed. Ogaden is naynas, his name is Abdulrahman.
Isaaq copied the Darood origins story of descent from Abdulrahman Ismail Abdulsamad.
What is more likely, 1-Isaaq origins are true or 2- You copied the origin story of your Darood neighbors?? I think it is obvious.
It can happen during the time of ahlu bayt race I neve said isaq is right or darod is wrong. In my personal oppinion they both seem fixed. Darod names are too strange for arab family and isaaq leanage to fadumo rasul is unbelieveble because I gues prophet mohamed family history is well documented and well kept on eye by religous doctors. I am not historian but the link seems arabazied and hashimized for nobility. I get those names from darod abtirsi list. Are you sure they are not darod ? Also are you claiming that ogaden name was cabdiraxman cabdiraman just like abdalah abdalah of afghanistan lool. Any one agree with thegoodshepard ?
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:53 pm
by Niya
Darod's great, great, great grandfather left what is now Djibouti area and went to Egypt, Darod's paternal ancestry is more closer to Afar and Isse than Arabs.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:01 am
by StormShadow
theyuusuf143 wrote: Also are you claiming that ogaden name was cabdiraxman cabdiraman just like abdalah abdalah of afghanistan lool. Any one agree with thegoodshepard ?
agah, war kan niyoow waa mirqaamaya.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:02 pm
by JamalAddow
Kulaha Muslim names are Arab names, lool, dude there's no such thing as a Muslim name, all names are Muslim unless its stated Haram.
And you niggas are truly Cabiids, our ancestors wanted to claim the Prophet pbuand his Sahabas out of Sufiness and wanting to get closer to the Prophet while you guys are doing out of insecurity and inferiority.
All of Darod, Hawiye and parts of Isaaq come from the same ancestor, only Dir and parts of Isaaq have a different ancestor.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:24 pm
by ZubeirAwal
thegoodshepherd wrote:theyuusuf143 wrote:What about these ?!
Ogaden darod
Agarone darod
Dhegadheere darod
Hodme darod
Kohdin darod
E.g sade darod was later given the name ahmed for arabization.But the question is why not Ogaden?
These clans are not Darood
Sade has always been Ahmed. Ogaden is naynas, his name is Abdulrahman.
Isaaq copied the Darood origins story of descent from Abdulrahman Ismail Abdulsamad.
What is more likely, 1-Isaaq origins are true or 2- You copied the origin story of your Darood neighbors?? I think it is obvious.
Do not lie, the Ishaaq was founded by a citizen of Hadhramawt who's grandfather fled Iraq during the purges of the Abbasids.
The Darod claim to descend from Aqeel ibn Abu Talib ibn Shaybah ibn Amr (Hashim), the Isaaq claim to descend from Hussein ibn Ali ibn Abu Talib ibn Shaybah ibn Amr, if we 'copied' your nasab there would be a meeting point much earlier in the chain. And another thing that you cannot refute, what of the Isxaaqis such as myself who cannot find a single indigenous somali name in their abtirsi? Do not let your desires push you to say " that is because it is a false lineage".
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:50 pm
by thegoodshepherd
What I am arguing is not that Isaaq copied the nasab og Darood, but that the chances that both stories are true are slim.
Two hashimite sheikhs, both land at Sanaag, both marry Dir women, both go on to found two large tribes. The coincidences are too many, don't you agree??
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:05 pm
by ZubeirAwal
No, because the structure and story of the tribes have no similarity, Sh Isaaq went to Zeila and Harar before going to Maydh, in Harar there is a Masjid called Masjid Isxaaq where he attended for 10-15 years, he settled in maydh for the last period of his life and died there, whereas the forefather of the Darod is buried inland. All Ishaaqs live side by side in a specific region of the horn whereas the Darod are scattered about, and in their nasabs, there are different names meaning different families. I was reading a book of one of the great 'Alawi Shafici shuyukh of Tarim Hadhramaut, namely Habib Ahmad Mashhur Al-Haddad who died in 1995, he was famous for giving da'wah in the bushes of Kenya and Uganda, and has also taught students in the Horn, (1905-1995). In his book " Al Miftah lil Jannah" he mentions the story of how his family/tribe, the Ba'calawi of Hadhramawt descend from Ahmed ibn Isa who fled Iraq during the purges of the Abbasids, immediately the story seemed similar to that of Sheikh Ishaaq's grandfather namely Muhammad ibn Hussein fleeing Iraq to Medina, and then his father Ahmad ibn Muhammad moving to the Yemen, so it seems there was a general migration of the Hashimis from Iraq southwards to the Yemen, this narrative further strengthens the authenticity of the story of Sheikh Ishaaq. Now as to the claim that every single member of the Isaaq clan being the saada, that's another issue.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:25 pm
by waraabe251
1- isaaq live in the historical area, where as darood is scattered all over the horn
2- mj and dhulo and warsangali have different length abtirsi even though they claim to be brothers under harti
3- names like koombe and few other sound oromo
4- darod clans dont abtirsi to the sons of so called sheekh darood but rather few generations later which is illogical
conclusion darood is like digil iyo marif, created to compete with big somali qabiils (isaaq and hawiye)
only allah knows but their abtirsi just doesnt make sense, too many mistakes.
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:40 pm
by Ismail87
Look at these xoolos fighting over myths
Newsflash: none of you have Arab ancestors!
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:48 pm
by waraabe251
Ismail87 wrote:Look at these xoolos fighting over myths
Newsflash: none of you have Arab ancestors!
i agree
Re: Harti subclans
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:54 pm
by Togdeer
JamalAddow wrote:Kulaha Muslim names are Arab names, lool, dude there's no such thing as a Muslim name, all names are Muslim unless its stated Haram.
And you niggas are truly Cabiids, our ancestors wanted to claim the Prophet pbuand his Sahabas out of Sufiness and wanting to get closer to the Prophet while you guys are doing out of insecurity and inferiority.
All of Darod, Hawiye and parts of Isaaq come from the same ancestor, only Dir and parts of Isaaq have a different ancestor.
Correction all parts of Isaaq have the same ancesters.
Dir and Hawiye do not have a common ancester, but instead their clans are politically allied. Eventhough some Hawiye clans are realtes, same for Dir.
Daroods claim to have the same ancestors, but looking at their family tree its not as realistic as Isaaqs one.