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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Khalid Ali wrote:Sahal you are wrong Djibouti more than half of the Parliament belongs to ciise the rest canfar over 65 % of government officials are Ciise ,even Ciises from Ethiopia are given the green card. Can canfar become president of Djibouti never , canfar have a meaningless post with no powers,.

Somaliland gained independence re gained its independence i should say Isaaq presidents of those 23 years independence 3 isaaq presidents and one ruled only very briefly we had 8 years a gadabuursi president. And this can happen again in the near future.

Somalia is duopoly Hawiye president , darood prime minister we have never seen a dir or a digil mirifle prime minister or president why is that ileen 4.5 is equal. Somalia since the break down the government in Mogadishu is always a Hawiye dominated government the darood are secondary to that.
Give me figures!

We r talking about power-sharing

This is djibouti power-sharing

National Assembly:
65 Seats, directly elected from ethnic constituencies, 33 Issa and 32 Afar

Ministers: 6 issa, 6 afar

Others:

Ministries: 1 Isaak, 1 Gadabursi, 1 Yemeni

Mps: 3 Isaak, 2 Gadabursi, arab two
http://www.systemicpeace.org/polity/Djibouti2010.pdf

Somalia, mps, hawiye 63, dir 63-isaq 29- darod, 63, D&M 63

Others: 33

Cabinet: darod pm, dir DPM and FM and equal ministers

Abdullahi yusuf a darod president

Sharif hassan a D&M presidential candidate

Professor samatar: a dir presidential candidate

Who voted? Equal clan seats!

So how can one say one clan who just got 63 seats has elected hassan sheekh who got 190 votes?

The reason he won was because he represents an islamist group who has continental connections but under the warlords hawiye was divided and darod were more organized traditionally even it was qanyare who gave his votes to abdullahi yusuf in the second round to stop cadoow-sacad- becoming president

My clan had two candidates, abdullahi osoble and mohamud abdi gab and our votes have been lost

So this means it depend on how active you r

Dir has no one agenda, D&M r suffering from inferiority complex

I understand a minority guy has reached the power in SL through the ruling party but your system is old and needs some reformations like political correctness and multi-politicalism with is about the location of the "other" in the national govt even if there's a majority

How come the east doesn't have a top position like the speaker?

Kurdish constitute 17 percent of iraq and they have the president, the FM and others. Sunnis has the speaker, shia has the pm
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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sahal80 wrote:
Khalid Ali wrote:Sahal you are wrong Djibouti more than half of the Parliament belongs to ciise the rest canfar over 65 % of government officials are Ciise ,even Ciises from Ethiopia are given the green card. Can canfar become president of Djibouti never , canfar have a meaningless post with no powers,.

Somaliland gained independence re gained its independence i should say Isaaq presidents of those 23 years independence 3 isaaq presidents and one ruled only very briefly we had 8 years a gadabuursi president. And this can happen again in the near future.

Somalia is duopoly Hawiye president , darood prime minister we have never seen a dir or a digil mirifle prime minister or president why is that ileen 4.5 is equal. Somalia since the break down the government in Mogadishu is always a Hawiye dominated government the darood are secondary to that.
Give me figures!


I understand a minority guy has reached the power in SL through the ruling party but your system is old and needs some reformations like political correctness and multi-politicalism with is about the location of the "other" in the national govt even if there's a majority
Ninyahow you were stateless 3 years ago and war torn. Who are you calling a minority? That was my uncle - Dahir Riyale Kahin, former president of Somaliland. During his tenure of 8 years the tribal feuds were few and far in between, hooligans weren't roaming the streets and the RRU were not in commission. Come at me dee. I dare you!
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Soph, see what I meant when I told you Somali issues brings the worst out in us in the name of defending the tolka. Rise above it sis.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Nation : a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
It is not a nation but a clan entity. One point out of 100 proves this point. The legacy of the Sayiid is polarised between the I clan vs all others in the protectorate. Simple.

sophisticate, if your not on top you are minority. Just being stark. :up:
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zumaale hey. Good point, I shouldn't be wasting my time on sahal he's not Somali, but caucasian like his timo.
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STARKAST wrote:Nation : a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
It is not a nation but a clan entity. One point out of 100 proves this point. The legacy of the Sayiid is polarised between the I clan vs all others in the protectorate. Simple.

sophisticate, if your not on top you are minority. Just being stark. :up:
Not true. Look at Ethiopia the majority are subjugated. "Wrong!"

Let's keep it real Stark. The only thing the Hawiye and Darood have done is assimilate a lot of tribes under one umbrella. I doubt they're all related, its either that or they indiscriminately reproduced like bunnies. :?

zumaale we need to bring back the dir political galvanisation. I would team up with Khalid Ali and the lot if it means having political leverage over these ruffians.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Sahal lets be objective shall we Cabdilahi Yusuf has been rejected by the overwhelming Majority of the Hawiye clan, his government was exclusively protected by Ethiopian forces with a few Hawiye warlords. But the vast majority of the Hawiyes were rooting for the Islamic courts Union. Only a segment of the Abgaal was pro the TFG during Yey ,the vast majority of the Hawiyes have declared a Holy war Jihad on Cabdilhi Yusuf so his government was never considered a Government for the Hawiyes. Since the break down of the Former Somali republic , we had Ali mahdi than Caydiid Sal balaadh and than we had caydiid Junior operating as a warlord than Cabdi Qasim than Sh sharif than Hassan sheikh. Almost a quarter Century Hawiye had dominate the Political arena the country might be in chaos with allot of internal strife. But nonetheless the government is supported in Hawiye dominated areas with some stake holders in the last few years with Sharif Hassan emerging.

As for Djibouti the Afars are under represented The Issa dominate the Economic and Political sector and the Issa have been expanding into Afar territories the Afars are marginalized, Afars are not even allowed to Run for President. Djibouti is Dawlad Ciise.

As for Somalia how come the Darod are given the Prime Minister position and Not Dir why not Samatar or any other dir in the south. Why is the PM position a darood position. if 4.5 is fair why cant darod get the deputy prime minister position ?

Both the deputy Guurti and and deputy parliament are from eastern sanaag and eastern sool

During Cigaal reign the Foreign Minister the Finance minister were both Dhulbahante and warsangali and the Parliament speaker was Darood Dhulbahante Xaabsade and until 2005 qeybe was the parliament speaker. Somaliland is very fair but because Somaliland is a democracy and the political parties represent the people so when ciiro of Ucid and Kulmiye became the majority they elected Ciiro the parliament u are elected. Not chosen on the basis of your tribe clanism exists in Somaliland but the major clans are forced to forge alliances. Its very complex the clan alliances change from time time but the formula remains the same. Reer laacanood if they want the speaker they need to fight for it they need to join one of the major parties nothing is given to you on a silver plate. Samaroon actively take part of SL political parties all 3 political parties have a vp from Awdal. The Gadabuursi are smart but there is rivalry also between the gadaburusi clan between Maxamamd case and Makahil. Makahil were pro Udub and Maxammad pro Kulmiye and habar carfaan pro ucid.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Somaliland is neither a state or a nation, it is a work in progress. I am all for self determination, let the people vote and I think it is in the best interest of Isaaq to secede but Dhulbahante and Gadabursi should have a say whether they choose to form their own states or in the case of Dhulbahante join their Harti brothers.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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sophisticate wrote:
sahal80 wrote:
Khalid Ali wrote:Sahal you are wrong Djibouti more than half of the Parliament belongs to ciise the rest canfar over 65 % of government officials are Ciise ,even Ciises from Ethiopia are given the green card. Can canfar become president of Djibouti never , canfar have a meaningless post with no powers,.

Somaliland gained independence re gained its independence i should say Isaaq presidents of those 23 years independence 3 isaaq presidents and one ruled only very briefly we had 8 years a gadabuursi president. And this can happen again in the near future.

Somalia is duopoly Hawiye president , darood prime minister we have never seen a dir or a digil mirifle prime minister or president why is that ileen 4.5 is equal. Somalia since the break down the government in Mogadishu is always a Hawiye dominated government the darood are secondary to that.
Give me figures!


I understand a minority guy has reached the power in SL through the ruling party but your system is old and needs some reformations like political correctness and multi-politicalism with is about the location of the "other" in the national govt even if there's a majority
Ninyahow you were stateless 3 years ago and war torn. Who are you calling a minority? That was my uncle - Dahir Riyale Kahin, former president of Somaliland. During his tenure of 8 years the tribal feuds were few and far in between, hooligans weren't roaming the streets and the RRU were not in commission. Come at me dee. I dare you!

Sophistcate is right Daahir rayaale clan are not Minority but major stake holders in Somaliland politics the arrogant Jibriel Yoonis from Qulijeed :mrgreen: Daahir rayaale was the father of Democracy and he served his country well. The Makahil have been president of Somaliland its Maxamad case time perhaps Professor Samatar. ;)
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Lol

soph

Take it easy I don't mean in the sense of marginalized minorities across somalia, I'm talking about one majority clan vs the rest.

Majority means being over 50 percent like iise r 65% in djibouti, therefor r majority.
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sophisticate wrote:
STARKAST wrote:Nation : a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
It is not a nation but a clan entity. One point out of 100 proves this point. The legacy of the Sayiid is polarised between the I clan vs all others in the protectorate. Simple.

sophisticate, if your not on top you are minority. Just being stark. :up:
Not true. Look at Ethiopia the majority are subjugated. "Wrong!"

Let's keep it real Stark. The only thing the Hawiye and Darood have done is assimilate a lot of tribes under one umbrella. I doubt they're all related, its either that or they indiscriminately reproduced like bunnies. :?

zumaale we need to bring back the dir political galvanisation. I would team up with Khalid Ali and the lot if it means having political leverage over these ruffians.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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sophisticate wrote:
STARKAST wrote:Nation : a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
It is not a nation but a clan entity. One point out of 100 proves this point. The legacy of the Sayiid is polarised between the I clan vs all others in the protectorate. Simple.

sophisticate, if your not on top you are minority. Just being stark. :up:
Not true. Look at Ethiopia the majority are subjugated. "Wrong!"

Let's keep it real Stark. The only thing the Hawiye and Darood have done is assimilate a lot of tribes under one umbrella. I doubt they're all related, its either that or they indiscriminately reproduced like bunnies. :?

zumaale we need to bring back the dir political galvanisation. I would team up with Khalid Ali and the lot if it means having political leverage over these ruffians.

Sophisticate one thing you dont know about the Koonfurians its all hadal nationalism ends when they enter their Qabiilism politics, There is sub sub sub clan interest , The Marexaan versus the Majeerteen, The Ogaden versus the Marexaan versus the Ogaden. The Abgaal versus the HG the Xawaadle versus HG , HG against each other. But one thing they agree on that Somaliland should not be recognized there is nothing else that unite them. In the Zoo that is called Somalia its about the loudest the most rudest the most ruthless has a say the zero Sum politics. Resulted the break down and the enterence of Xabashis and Kenyans. For example we have Zumaale ram nag in her and he tries to say that he is fighting for Dhulbahante self determination its nothing else its just a scheme to stop Somaliland , but they cant they can never.
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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Waar sahal you bore the political section now your langaab ass is trolling the sl.

If think samroon are a minority in their own country think again..
Somaliland was built and constructed in Borame
Awdal is the most important. Good when it is election time.. Who wins Awdal wins the elections
Samroon are always vp
Samroon held presidency for 8 yes

Now dhulliz they are a minority in sl they have the short straw
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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sophisticate i don't mean to be mean....however i'm just reiterating the consensus view of reer hargeisa. Its their project and there is only room for 1. hence the awdal unrest et al. :up:
Btw regarding your stark point even your HA cousins have adopted peoples. Khalid could be one of them actually.
And whats worse ? Habar vs Habar in hargeisa...how ironic....calling the kettle black as usual.

Reer Awdal to an extent minority, don't mean to be rude. Btw to even proclaim why you are not only proves the point. And yeah reer ssc are too, now thats logical. :up:
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Re: Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

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dont mind sahal. he is hawadle. he thinks he can call other people minority because ethiopia is pro xawadle and ethiopia whispered in xawadle's ear that they are majority and other hiiraan clans are minority. hawadle are very arrogant and think they are elite. how can a xawadle talk to a gadabursi... hawadle r very low class clan. gadabursi has awdal by himself , xawadle has 30% of hiiraan. who is the minority???
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