Who are these East Africans that look exactly like Somalis?

[Xildiiid]

Somalis themselves do not have a uniform look, there are subtle regional differences. Somalis in Gabiley, Jijiga, Awbarre do not look that different from their Oromo neighbours. They predominately have a short stature and coarse hair.

The Degoodi, Garre and even some South Ethiopian OG can be mistaken for Borans.

If one was to travel the length and breadth of Somali inhabited areas in the Horn, differences are easily observed.

This dude talks so much shit..

So Cabdillahi Suldaan Timacadde, Mo Farah and professor Abdi Ismail Samatar from Gabiley look like Oromo? The people in Gabiley who look like Oromo are the minority Jaarso and Akisho (your people) and they are Somalized Oromos.

i really hope that your a non somali troll....you disgusting piece of elephant dung....may you and your ignorance burn......

Your people? are they not somali? you niggas all look EXACTLY the same....dont act up....your foreheads match...


i will never understand how somalilanders call themselves somali, but then try and differentiate themselves from other somalis...talking bout how somalis in a certain part look less somali....i personally think oromos look the most somali....and that includes your dumbass.

It's his people, they belong to his clan.

I don't understand why you're getting all worked up and shit.

[zumaale]

Don't project your miserable reality onto me.

You're spreading lies and I can't stand lies.

Jibriil Abokor marry from within the clan and when they don't they usually intermarry with neighboring Samaroon subclans. They don't marry Akisho, so no Akisho (Oromo) do not look like the Somalis in Gabiley.

If you want more examples just say it. I'll disprove your nonsense.

Listen whatever issues you got, keep it to yourself. If you do not like what I say, put up or shut up. I will keep on commenting and you are the one who is going to be having a cyber hissy fit.

[Xildiiid]

Platinum

Don't mind him, the kid is sick in the head and heart. Tries to take a cheap shot and then come a fortnight he is gonna be all apologetic.

I won't karbaash anyone. A couple of people left this place because of me and that thread was for them. Not you or anyone else.

[Xildiiid]

Don't project your miserable reality onto me.

You're spreading lies and I can't stand lies.

Jibriil Abokor marry from within the clan and when they don't they usually intermarry with neighboring Samaroon subclans. They don't marry Akisho, so no Akisho (Oromo) do not look like the Somalis in Gabiley.

If you want more examples just say it. I'll disprove your nonsense.

Listen whatever issues you got, keep it to yourself. If you do not like what I say, put up or shut up. I will keep on commenting and you are the one who is going to be having a cyber hissy fit.

It's very simple, don't spread lies.

[MaliPrince]

Somalis themselves do not have a uniform look, there are subtle regional differences. Somalis in Gabiley, Jijiga, Awbarre do not look that different from their Oromo neighbours. They predominately have a short stature and coarse hair.

The Degoodi, Garre and even some South Ethiopian OG can be mistaken for Borans.

If one was to travel the length and breadth of Somali inhabited areas in the Horn, differences are easily observed.

this is true. Somalis are basically a collection of different groups in the horn that united around watering wells and adopted the same language and culture. the idea of a common ancestral origin for all Somalis is a MYTH. we are simply a collection of different groups. just like the Oromo.

[zumaale]

Don't project your miserable reality onto me.

You're spreading lies and I can't stand lies.

Jibriil Abokor marry from within the clan and when they don't they usually intermarry with neighboring Samaroon subclans. They don't marry Akisho, so no Akisho (Oromo) do not look like the Somalis in Gabiley.

If you want more examples just say it. I'll disprove your nonsense.

Listen whatever issues you got, keep it to yourself. If you do not like what I say, put up or shut up. I will keep on commenting and you are the one who is going to be having a cyber hissy fit.

It's very simple, don't spread lies.

I will keep on expressing my views, what are you gonna about it, jump through my screen and strangle me. Nigga please.

[Xildiiid]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[TheMailMan]

It isn't supposed to be based on linguistics or oral history. Language families and historical narratives do. Stop confusing concepts that have nothing to do with each other. Why even bring that up unless you're deliberately trying to confuse people?

And anyone who has met, or interacted with, Tuareg people of Niger and Mali would concede the fact that they're similar to Horn Africans in many ways. In fact, their genetic phenotype is very similar to ours, as well as the Amhara, the Oromos, the Tigrays, the Beja, and the Afars. They are related to Somalis and are some of our closest genetic relatives. It is a fact that Horn Africans differ from Southern Africans as well as West Africans in many ways, and your deliberate misinformation won't be able to change this.

These identities existed long before a single European ever set foot in Africa, you deliberately try to make it seem as if these distinctions only existed with the onset of Europeans.

I suggest you listen to some of the old Somali poems and stories, where our Somali ancestors extolled the virtues of being a Somali, and they repeatedly emphasized that our Somali people are nothing like the Arabs or the Bantus/West-Africans/Southern-Africans. Only in the 21st century do we see Somalis with an identity-crisis trying to unite us with people we were never united with. If you want to put Somalis under the same umbrella as the Ethiopians and Eritreans and the Beja/Tuareg people, then that's fine....because that would be accurate.

But anything more than that is pushing it

FALSE. the idea of a "true negro" originates from the "hamitic hypothesis". I'll give you a short history lesson since its obvious you are not knowledgable on this subject. In mid-1800s, white europeans were confronted with a conondrum. europe at that time was in the midst of the eugenics movement and colonialism of africa was just beginning. the europeans believed in racial superiority with white people on top and black people on the bottom. however, when they read the writings of the ancient greeks and romans, they were continually met with their white ancestors giving ANCIENT EGYPT credit for the origin of western civilization. in addition, the Greeks and Romans described the Ancient Egyptians as "black skin and wooly haired."

on the one hand, blacks are inferior to whites. on the other hand, a black civilization in Egypt helped create Greece and Rome. so how could the racist european mind of the 1800s rationalize this? meet Charles Seligman. the man with the answer. he created what is today known as the "hamitic hypothesis." He theorized that the "black skin/wooly haired" Ancient Egpytians that the Greeks and Romans described were not "true negroes" but rather they were hamites. And who are these hamites you might ask? Well according to Seligman, the hamites (inspired by the biblical story of Ham) were a dark skin race of European men (emphasis on males) that came down from Europe into Africa, interbreed with some of the local "negro" women and created all civilizations that ever existed in Africa. According to Seligman, Somalis, Ethiopians, Tutsis, and even the Maasai are descendants of these ancient hamites.

now obviously, there is no evidence of a migration of hamites into africa, interbreeding with "negro" women and creating all the civilizations in Africa. this was a racist theory, created by a racist, to justify his racist outlook on the world. I'm dissapointed that you seem to have no problem regurjatating this racist propaganda on this website.

That's actually not even a proper response. You couldn't even stick to the topic. You went on and on talking about "European theories on race" when everything I posted above literally had nothing to do with that. I don't believe that Europeans are superior to Africans in any way---just different.

And all anthropological classifications show that we Somalis/Ethiopians are different from Europeans and Arabs and West/South Africans. As do our genetic classifications, autosomal DNA, SNP markers, and racial phenotypes. We Somalis and Ethiopians come under our own category, along with some of the Beja people of Sudan.

This is a fact, and all historical data proves that Somalis and Ethiopians are indigenous to the Horn of Africa. We are a Horn African people and we are distinct from the rest of Africa. We are also very distinct from the Arabs as well as the Europeans. You're deliberately misinforming your audience here, and creating confusion by talking about some 19th century racist European theories. Not once did I mention that or bring it up, yet you feel like you have to go off on a tangent talking about it. Somalis know they're very different from the southern Africans, and all scientific data proves it.

Fix up. Stop desperately trying to make Somalis the same as Bantus, it won't work. What is your agenda here? Why do you feel the need to lie and deliberately misinform people here?

[zumaale]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

And yours is this the God given truth.

All I said was the border the farming clans on the Somali/Ethiopian border and the adjacent Jijiga area share a similarity to their Oromo neighbours. Now that does not mean they are all like them. However, it is an established fact that they do not resemble the Hawd Somalis for instance. You got all emotional over a harmless assertion.

Anyway, live and let live.

[MaliPrince]

That's actually not even a proper response. You couldn't even stick to the topic. You went on and on talking about "European theories on race" when everything I posted above literally had nothing to do with that. I don't believe that Europeans are superior to Africans in any way---just different.

And all anthropological classifications show that we Somalis/Ethiopians are different from Europeans and Arabs and West/South Africans. As do our genetic classifications, SNP markers, and racial phenotypes.

This is a fact, and all historical data proves that Somalis and Ethiopians are indigenous to the Horn of Africa. We are a Horn African people and we are distinct from the rest of Africa. We are also very distinct from the Arabs as well as the Europeans. You're deliberately misinforming your audience here, and creating confusion by talking about some 19th century racist European theories. Not once did I mention that or bring it up, yet you feel like you have to go off on a tangent talking about it. Somalis know they're very different from the southern Africans, and all scientific data proves it.

Fix up. Stop desperately trying to make Somalis the same as Bantus, it won't work. What is your agenda here? Why do you feel the need to lie and deliberately misinform people here?

then maybe you should stop posting images from white supremacist websites? cause walaal the term "true negro" from the image you posted is classic eugenics ideology.

like I said earlier, its obvious you're a young kid who has no idea of the origin or history of these terms or their meanings. I highly recommend reading this paper. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1 ... 129&uid=70

maybe then you'll understand why people have a problem with you posted images like the only you did on the first page.

[Lancer]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

And yours is this the God given truth.

All I said was the border the farming clans on the Somali/Ethiopian border and the adjacent Jijiga area share a similarity to their Oromo neighbours. Now that does not mean they are all like them. However, it is an established fact that they do not resemble the Hawd Somalis for instance. You got all emotional over a harmless assertion.

Anyway, live and let live.

When you say they resemble more closely to oromos than other hawd somalis what do you mean? Are you talking about their livelihood because yes majority are cattle herders and farmers unlike other somalis who camel herd or are you talking about facial features and genetic makeup?and how can you tell?

[TheMailMan]

That's actually not even a proper response. You couldn't even stick to the topic. You went on and on talking about "European theories on race" when everything I posted above literally had nothing to do with that. I don't believe that Europeans are superior to Africans in any way---just different.

And all anthropological classifications show that we Somalis/Ethiopians are different from Europeans and Arabs and West/South Africans. As do our genetic classifications, SNP markers, and racial phenotypes.

This is a fact, and all historical data proves that Somalis and Ethiopians are indigenous to the Horn of Africa. We are a Horn African people and we are distinct from the rest of Africa. We are also very distinct from the Arabs as well as the Europeans. You're deliberately misinforming your audience here, and creating confusion by talking about some 19th century racist European theories. Not once did I mention that or bring it up, yet you feel like you have to go off on a tangent talking about it. Somalis know they're very different from the southern Africans, and all scientific data proves it.

Fix up. Stop desperately trying to make Somalis the same as Bantus, it won't work. What is your agenda here? Why do you feel the need to lie and deliberately misinform people here?

then maybe you should stop posting images from white supremacist websites? cause walaal the term "true negro" from the image you posted is classic eugenics ideology.

like I said earlier, its obvious you're a young kid who has no idea of the origin or history of these terms or their meanings. I highly recommend reading this paper. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1 ... 129&uid=70

maybe then you'll understand why people have a problem with you posted images like the only you did on the first page.

Again, that's misinformation. I don't subscribe to that 19th century bullshit, as I've said so on this forum a number of times. Instead of changing the topic and going off on tangents regarding 19th century European racial classifications, maybe you should actually address the topic itself.

Seriously, do you do this for a living? Are you actually going to erase the very real, very prominent differences that exist between Horn Africans (as a group) and the sub-Saharan Africans? There are multiple scientific journals that prove this, as well as prove the fact that the Khoisan people of Southern Africa are very different (genetically, anthropologically) from the Zulus and other Bantus who live near them. And they are very conscious of this fact.

[Xildiiid]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

And yours is this the God given truth.

All I said was the border the farming clans on the Somali/Ethiopian border and the adjacent Jijiga area share a similarity to their Oromo neighbours. Now that does not mean they are all like them. However, it is an established fact that they do not resemble the Hawd Somalis for instance. You got all emotional over a harmless assertion.

Anyway, live and let live.

You're still spreading lies.

Cabdillahi Suldaan Timacadde and Mo Farah resemble their relatives in the Hawd while the minority Akisho and Jaarso resemble the Arsi Oromo.

[zumaale]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

And yours is this the God given truth.

All I said was the border the farming clans on the Somali/Ethiopian border and the adjacent Jijiga area share a similarity to their Oromo neighbours. Now that does not mean they are all like them. However, it is an established fact that they do not resemble the Hawd Somalis for instance. You got all emotional over a harmless assertion.

Anyway, live and let live.

When you say they resemble more closely to oromos than other hawd somalis what do you mean? Are you talking about their livelihood because yes majority are cattle herders and farmers unlike other somalis who camel herd or are you talking about facial features and genetic makeup?and how can you tell?

Lancer, I was referring to the fact that they are not renowned for possessing stereotypical Geeljire traits such as height and are also known for possessing short statures. I am not talking about facial features. They are not unique in possessing those features like I emphasised before as the Geerikombe, Jidwaq and other clans in the Jijiga area also share those traits.

Somalis vary from region to region and I was just using them as an illustration. Oromos themselves are not uniform, the ones in Shewa look their Amharic neighbours, the pastoralists Boran look nothing like the ones in Hararghe. The Oromos in Hararghe zone all the way to Jijiga exhibit a mixture of features as they are of mixed heritage.

My comments are not a personal attack on any particular clan, just stating an opinion.

[zumaale]

You're trying to pass your views as the truth and they're far from the truth.

You don't know what you are talking about.

And yours is this the God given truth.

All I said was the border the farming clans on the Somali/Ethiopian border and the adjacent Jijiga area share a similarity to their Oromo neighbours. Now that does not mean they are all like them. However, it is an established fact that they do not resemble the Hawd Somalis for instance. You got all emotional over a harmless assertion.

Anyway, live and let live.

You're still spreading lies.

Cabdillahi Suldaan Timacadde and Mo Farah resemble their relatives in the Hawd while the minority Akisho and Jaarso resemble the Arsi Oromo.

Ok I am lying your highness. Move on please.