Itrah pls come in.

[LobsterUnit]

we are 50% earth people, 40 % sky, 10% methane gas.war dadkani waa imtixaan.

[zumaale]

Itrah, Bro, where is this evidence please?

You can look up T frequencies of Tanzanian minorities. It is found often in the non-Bantu ones, but E-V32 (with DYS19-11) is very low in them.

That does not tell us anything about how E-V32 and T haplogroup Somalis came to coexist in the Horn of Africa and whether they entered the region simultaneously.

[JamalAddow]

Ok so we've established that Cushites came into existence with the mingling of Migrants from Egypt and Nilotes in Sudan 8,000 years ago. Then subsequently we moved eastward into Ethiopia and then to Somalia around 4,000 years ago.

Did the Cushitic groups split into the different sub-groups before or after we moved away from each other?

[zumaale]

Ok so we've established that Cushites came into existence with the mingling of Migrants from Egypt and Nilotes in Sudan 8,000 years ago. Then subsequently we moved eastward into Ethiopia and then to Somalia around 4,000 years ago.

Did the Cushitic groups split into the different sub-groups before or after we moved away from each other?

Dude, nothing has been established yet as this is a science in its infancy.

[Itrah]

That does not tell us anything about how E-V32 and T haplogroup Somalis came to coexist in the Horn of Africa and whether they entered the region simultaneously.

It actually says a lot. South Cushites are the ones who kept on migrating the farthest and represent an ancient example of Cushites. We find T often in them, but E-V32 is absent to low.

We can deduce from that that high E-V32 was not the norm among the proto-Cushites, but it's more of an Lowland East Cushitic thing. None of the Horn African ethnicities have ridiculous E-V32 frequencies like Somalis, except for the Borana (South Oromos).

[Itrah]

Ok so we've established that Cushites came into existence with the mingling of Migrants from Egypt and Nilotes in Sudan 8,000 years ago. Then subsequently we moved eastward into Ethiopia and then to Somalia around 4,000 years ago.

Did the Cushitic groups split into the different sub-groups before or after we moved away from each other?

Beja split first.

Then the Agaw (ancestors of the Habash).

Then East (Sidamas, Somalis) and South Cushites (almost extinct Tanzanian clans) split.

[zumaale]

That does not tell us anything about how E-V32 and T haplogroup Somalis came to coexist in the Horn of Africa and whether they entered the region simultaneously.

It actually says a lot. South Cushites are the ones who kept on migrating the farthest and represent an ancient example of Cushites. We find T often in them, but E-V32 is absent to low.

We can deduce from that that high E-V32 was not the norm among the proto-Cushites, but it's more of an Lowland East Cushitic thing. None of the Horn African ethnicities have ridiculous E-V32 frequencies like Somalis, except for the Borana (South Oromos).

No one knows when the Iraqw for instance migrated to Tanzania and for all we know it might have been in the last two millenniums. Furthermore, a comparison between their T haplogroup and Somali haplogroups would shed light on their estimated TMRCA. If it falss within the two millenniums than there is every chance that they migrated South in more recent times (2000 years etc)

[JamalAddow]

Zumaale are you angry at the fact that your ancestors weren't full Somalis?

[Estarix]

That does not tell us anything about how E-V32 and T haplogroup Somalis came to coexist in the Horn of Africa and whether they entered the region simultaneously.

It actually says a lot. South Cushites are the ones who kept on migrating the farthest and represent an ancient example of Cushites. We find T often in them, but E-V32 is absent to low.

We can deduce from that that high E-V32 was not the norm among the proto-Cushites, but it's more of an Lowland East Cushitic thing. None of the Horn African ethnicities have ridiculous E-V32 frequencies like Somalis, except for the Borana (South Oromos).

No one knows when the Iraqw for instance migrated to Tanzania and for all we know it might have been in the last two millenniums. Furthermore, a comparison between their T haplogroup and Somali haplogroups would shed light on their estimated TMRCA. If it falss within the two millenniums than there is every chance that they migrated South in more recent times (2000 years etc)

Did you know the Iraqw, Rendille, Masaai and other southern extinct (absorbed) cushitic groups mixed with the Bantu and Nilotic in East/South Eastern Africa. You have the Kikuyu who were a Bantu tribe originally from Cameroon are now around 40% cushitic, the same for other Bantus like the Meru. Most South East Africans (Kenya and Tanzania) now have some sort of some admixture from the South Cushites although they heavily gravitate towards their West African cousins. The region from North/North Eastern to South East Africa is like one genetic continuum. Lol.

[Itrah]

Did you know the Iraqw, Rendille, Masaai and other southern extinct (absorbed) cushitic groups mixed with the Bantu and Nilotic in East/South Eastern Africa. You have the Kikuyu who were a Bantu tribe originally from Cameroon are now around 40% cushitic, the same for other Bantus like the Meru. Most South East Africans (Kenya and Tanzania) now have some sort of some admixture from the South Cushites although they heavily gravitate towards their West African cousins. The region from North/North Eastern to South East Africa is like one genetic continuum. Lol.

Not all the Eastern Bantu have high amounts of Nilo-Cushitic ancestry though.

Especially not the ones around Lake Victoria like the Luhya and most in Southern Tanzania have almost none.

It's mainly the ones in Central Kenya (highlands) and around Kilimanjaro in North-Central Tanzania.

[zumaale]

Jamal, Somali oral history testifies that my ancestor (Samaale) gives his name to the Somali ethnic group so stop trolling lol.
What I was trying to illustrate was that no one can confirm yet that the two haplogroups present among Somalis entered the Horn simultaneously. More research is required before any firm statements can be made. So far it is stated that Somali T haplogroup carriers have a common ancestor going back around 2000 years. That is what I am referring to when I say TMCRA. I do not where that patriarch was from; via North Africa or a ship wreck . What is certain is that it is a haplogroup that is not African in origin.

[JamalAddow]

Jamal, Somali oral history testifies that my ancestor (Samaale) gives his name to the Somali ethnic group so stop trolling lol.
What I was trying to illustrate was that no one can confirm yet that the two haplogroups present among Somalis entered the Horn simultaneously. More research is required before any firm statements can be made. So far it is stated that Somali T haplogroup carriers have a common ancestor going back around 2000 years. That is what I am referring to when I say TMCRA. I do not where that patriarch was from; via North Africa or a ship wreck . What is certain is that it is a haplogroup that is not African in origin.

In serious note, Hashi the father of Hiil was said to be from India or somewhere, so I'm guessing he was one the earliest Muslims to arrive in the Somali peninsula that united the tribes and Somalis subsequently moved south with this new religion of theirs.

That is one theory.

[zumaale]

Jamal, Somali oral history testifies that my ancestor (Samaale) gives his name to the Somali ethnic group so stop trolling lol.
What I was trying to illustrate was that no one can confirm yet that the two haplogroups present among Somalis entered the Horn simultaneously. More research is required before any firm statements can be made. So far it is stated that Somali T haplogroup carriers have a common ancestor going back around 2000 years. That is what I am referring to when I say TMCRA. I do not where that patriarch was from; via North Africa or a ship wreck . What is certain is that it is a haplogroup that is not African in origin.

In serious note, Hashi the father of Hiil was said to be from India or somewhere, so I'm guessing he was one the earliest Muslims to arrive in the Somali peninsula that united the tribes and Somalis subsequently moved south with this new religion of theirs.

That is one theory.

Allah knows, but what I know from my abtiris and the consensus among Somali oral historians is that Samaale was the progenitor of the Somali people. Wuxu galo jaahil ban ka eehe.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =213361795

What does ANE and WHG stand for?

[Estarix]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =213361795

What does ANE and WHG stand for?

ANE stands for Ancient North Eurasian and WHG stands for European/Western Hunter gatherer. Both are classified as caucasoid, and in addition to the Neolithic Middle Eastern Farmer, combined the three comprises the ancestry of modern Europeans. Normally the more north in Europe you go the higher the Western Hunter gatherer.