southeren somali politics and diplomacy superior to reer wagooyi

[Lancer]

Igad,kay,general gabre the 3 rulers of somalia

[Khalid Ali]

Rambie

Rambie you are motivated by uqdad, xiin iyo xasidnimo

You can`t even see the progress that Somalia is making in every field.
Compare Somalia with 2006 and you see a steady progression

Somalilanders care more about symbolic things then actual things like their flag hanging on a pole.
I
am not fan of Somalia but things are really moving fast and on the right direction.
Definition of crazy is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result, Somalia is not crazy because Somalia is changing

Southerners are willing to change and compromise versus somalilanders dogmatic perennial attitude is what differentiate us in terms of political culture.

There is some truth of what you say but you are not putting it in the right context . Koonfurians never compromise its not in their culture , they are cunning but not in a positive way Ethiopia Kenya always has the upper hand against them. Because their politics is based on clan politics and the Zero Sum game is what destroyed them. Somalilanders are people who collectively operate Koonfurians are individualistic. Somalilanders try to shine together , Koonfurians want to out do each other each and every one on his own. in Any Society Somaliland has a more healthier Political culture. Somalilandes are people of codes and Honer and principles ethics and ideologically,thats why we were what was making the former Somali republic thrive since we have left Hell broke lose. The Koonfurians of the 1960s were corrupt but they had the Somali state in their right mind and they were politically very advanced But they were working for the Somali state. Today one is working for Jubbaland Puntland south western state bartamaha state.

[Khalid Ali]

The fact that SNM was the only one among all the military movements that had no ambition to capture the entire country says a lot.... no visions away from my village....

Why fight other Somalis for a dream that will never work we gave Pan Somalism once a chance and gave up our dominated state, but we tasted what was Somali republic . Why waste energy and resource to capture Somalis just break away and watch from the sidelines . I just wished the SNM through out the 1980s would fight for Independence instead of letting the people decide.

[Khalid Ali]

Typhoon

to be honest i think reer Waqooyi used to be very smart but since they created Somaliland it seems they are becoming less smart because they don't think outside the Box and that Box is Somaliland.

i had conversation with many isaaqs including a Xildhibaan in Somaliland government and walaahil cadiim they act like a teenagers, all they know is Hargeeysa iyo Burco and how Somaliland is the most powerful state in East Africa.

Somalia will be like Ethiopia and Kenya very soon insha Allaah because we think outside the box
a great example is the many leaders who visited Muqdisho like the presidents of Uganda, Turkey Djibouti, and the UN. remember the British? the so called father of Somaliland? well they have decided to open their Embassy in Muqdisho instead of Hargeeysa, can you tell me why that is? why is Somaliland neighbours Djibouti Ethiopia and the Arabs hate Somaliland and why they never visit Hargeeysa?

Remember the blessed city of Muqdisho just few years ago was at war and now powerful leaders are visiting and are opening their Embassies

Muqdisho

Why would a Somaliland xildhibaan speak with you

The Somalilanders best thing they ever did was to break the cancerous union i believe in Typhoon we are different hence why we should separate

Somalia will never reach the level of Ethiopia not in 100 years time The president of Uganda and Djibouti have troops Turkey is spreaking Neo Ottomanism in Somalia it has investments there. Arabs hate Somaliland because we refused to support their agression against Ethiopia Arabs Egypt and Saudi Arabia have the same Foreign Policy. But Mogadishu wants to be the footsolders of the Arabs. Somalianders has the most Arabic speakers in the entire region ,but we have no good relations with the Arabs with the exception of the UAE AND KUWAIT.

[waraabe251]

If you call a primitive tribal system of governance based on a 4.5 system is more advanced than a local developed system of governance based on democracy and traditional values then I am sorry but your country will remain in the situation it has been since 1991. The fact the war stopped after the dictatorship was overthrown yes few small wars happened but resolved quickly shows the maturity and complete astronomical gap between somalia and somaliland.

I always used to think southerns were delusional because they will tell you to your face that they are doing well while starving children are on the news, but I have come to realize that it is not delusion but complete Denial of their situation, they simply don't believe they are in crises. For most part this is complete due to change in culture, puntland is have to give credit as they Atleast take some personal responsibility and try to resolve their issues. For this simple fact, I can say somaliland and somalia can never share a union, I can also say djibouti and somalia can never share a union. Every man for himself, we all know that North men carried the union on their backs in the 60 Whether it was UN, ARAB UNUNION, all masterminded by northerners.

[waraabe251]

What i dont understand is why somalia is so against separation, I mean if reer south believe truly that they are more advanced than northerns in every aspect, why do they needs us to drag them down.

[HayWire]

THE KHAT EPIDEMIC MAN. EVERY IDDOR IN HARGEYSA WAKES UP AT 3PM, GOES TO THE KHAT MARKET, CHEWS ALL NIGHT. THE CYCLE CONTINUES THE NEXT DAY. AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR POLITICS

[Khalid Ali]

Now lets act if Walanweyns dont chew Qat who consumes all the Mira qat where is xildiid when u need him where he has walanweyns walking like Walkers Zombies near the Qat mafrishyada Zoomaalia.

[HayWire]

HEY MAN, EVEN THE GOATS IN HARGEISA TOWN ARE SCHIZOPHRENIC FOR CHEWING KHAT LEAVES AND GARABO. IT WAS IN A REPORT PUBLISHED
BY "WHO" WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION. THE WHO REPORT STATES IN ORDER TO ERADICATE THIS TERRIBLE MENTAL ILLNESS, THE UNITED NATIONS NEEDS TO ICTIRAF SOMALI-LAND. THE ONLY PROBLEM, THE UNITED NATIONS REPS CAN'T FIND ANYONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN BUSINESS HOURS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SLEEP

[Rambie]

Wallahi I feel sorry for Typhoon, trying to sell the foreign aid to Somalia as development. War ninyahow isla yab, yan la yakogo maqlin
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Highwire aka The Happy One

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[HayWire]

BAMBIE
ARE YOU OFF OF YOUR AUTISTIC MEDICS THESE DAYS? YOU DON'T MAKE SENSE MAN. MENACE ONCE TOLD ME ABOUT YOUR MEDS. DO YOU NEED A HIGHER DOSE?

[Rambie]

BAMBIE
ARE YOU OFF OF YOUR AUTISTIC MEDICS THESE DAYS? YOU DON'T MAKE SENSE MAN. MENACE ONCE TOLD ME ABOUT YOUR MEDS. DO YOU NEED A HIGHER DOSE?

PS: I am a proud clean Faraax, I don't do drugs, drink, chew , or even Smoked in my whole life.

[Typhoon]

I think Typhoon is making very strong points. Just look at the Politics of the TNG/TFG era and now, it is constantly changing, and very dynamic. Yet, there is ever greater and greater maturity, and sophistication. Look at the level of international relations they have, look at how Somalia is consolidating into one state bit by bit. It is not a smooth process, but we are viewing the emergence of a dynamic state, that is greater than it's borders.

The politics of Somalia is forever intertwined internationally, something Somaliland has not been able to do in 20 odd some years. Somaliland has for better or worse sealed itself within it's perceived "borders." Sure that gives them stability, but it also leads to stagnation. Look at the age of their politicians, and their ministers, what is their average age, and one has to ask themselves where is the new blood? It's still very much an snm state, yet Mogadishu can not be classified as USC or SNA or SSDF or whatever else.

As for Amisom, look at how Southerners were able to incorporate them into their machinations and politics. I swear Amisom is mind boggled and doesn't know what is going on, they all came in very naively, except Ethiopia. They thought they were to just fight Al Shabab, but look at how they are being used by people non-aligned to Al shabab. They won't be here forever, and we all know that, but it doesn't mean we will turn back lawlessness.

Great point monsieur Perfect

[Typhoon]

Rambie

Rambie you are motivated by uqdad, xiin iyo xasidnimo

You can`t even see the progress that Somalia is making in every field.
Compare Somalia with 2006 and you see a steady progression

Somalilanders care more about symbolic things then actual things like their flag hanging on a pole.
I
am not fan of Somalia but things are really moving fast and on the right direction.
Definition of crazy is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result, Somalia is not crazy because Somalia is changing

Southerners are willing to change and compromise versus somalilanders dogmatic perennial attitude is what differentiate us in terms of political culture.

There is some truth of what you say but you are not putting it in the right context . Koonfurians never compromise its not in their culture , they are cunning but not in a positive way Ethiopia Kenya always has the upper hand against them. Because their politics is based on clan politics and the Zero Sum game is what destroyed them. Somalilanders are people who collectively operate Koonfurians are individualistic. Somalilanders try to shine together , Koonfurians want to out do each other each and every one on his own. in Any Society Somaliland has a more healthier Political culture. Somalilandes are people of codes and Honer and principles ethics and ideologically,thats why we were what was making the former Somali republic thrive since we have left Hell broke lose. The Koonfurians of the 1960s were corrupt but they had the Somali state in their right mind and they were politically very advanced But they were working for the Somali state. Today one is working for Jubbaland Puntland south western state bartamaha state.

Emperior you prove my point, compare your own southern influenced political disposition with a born and bred somalilander, its truly night and day, even in somalinet we can see that.

the entire ruling classes of somaliland where exposed to southern way of doing things but they have not mastered it.
the avarge elite somalilande politician seeks a method but cant go beyond the horizon due to their European imitation and boorishness even if they experienced southern way, they lack technical skill.

Reer wagooyi lack any contextualisation and synthesization, I think its because somalilanders are young clan they have no historical narrative and experience and what the french call savoir faire

reer wagooyi have created their own chimera but you khalid ali understand that the emperor has no cloths but your are like the bagpiper of Hamlyn.

Emperior you are Janus-faced individual and like a cult figure you know the truth.
The average from the bush to hargeisa somalilander doesn`t understand the full picture and its where people like you derive their power and influence.

wallahi there is big difference between you and alot of Snet somalilanders, look at skywalker and sacid85, they are vindictive emotional, provincial and take tribalism as idol, maka la yaqanaan kaftan iyo runta, they are susceptible to propaganda and tribal coercion.

khalid you know SNET somalilanders don`t like you because of your birth in koonfur and your southern poise, because they believe you were privileged and if they had the chance they could outwith you, but they can`t say that because of inferiority complex

There is one thing inherent in all somalilanders that is, sense of we have to prove ourself because history has not been kind to us. they are desperate for glory and prestige and that's why you guys are foremost historical revisionist and tribal myth constructors.

peace in somaliland has more to do with tribal governance and mountainous geography then your political culture, war in the south is due to volatility open plains hence southern politician obsession nowadays with institutions and common peace and security
the south shares war experience and state formation with European states on the European plain and the Chinese.
war and experience is what sets us apart, we might share a ethnicity and general culture but our mind is different, southerns are more refined, pragmatic and rational and that is because the hand that history dealt us and our geography.

the peace that is comming in the south is like the peace of westpehilia and you will see southeren will to power and energy unleashed......already you see some indications

[Xildiiid]

Lol@ Typhoon and Perfect Order

I haven't read something more ridiculous then the shit these two write.

Btw, Somalia = USC and Somaliland = SNM. It will remain that way forever. Just like Djibouti = Ciise.