So what is the strategy at play here?

[Xildiiid]

Yusuf,

I don't think Hassan Sheikh will support the minorities in Somaliland. He's not stupid and he knows the reality on the ground. It's more scare tactics but the SL administration won't fall for it.

When it comes to Ethiopia, if Somalis had any brain they could rule one of the most resource rich countries on earth. We're the third largest ethnic group after Oromo and Amhara yet minority groups like Desalegn's own ethnic group and Afars have more representation in the central committee. The latter is being prompt up because Ethiopia has its eyes on the Massawa port and area in Eritrea inhabited by Afar and the Afar parts of Djibouti. Recently they made small parts of Shiinile fall under Afar jurisdiction and regional command. Telling the Afars that Somali nomads pushed them away from these areas and that they originally belonged to them. They've done the same with the Oromo who controls the entire Bale. They forced the Somalis to move out or assimilate and become part of the Oromo confederacy. They tried to steal land in Babile Harar but they were defeated by the locals nomads who settle there like the Karanle Hawiye, Barsuug Arap of the Isaaq and Ogaden.

[theyuusuf143]

xildiid

its obvious to all somalis that those northerners against somaliland are just greedy isaq haters. ninka aan nimay isku xaafad yihiin la heshiin karin muxu somalia u kordhinayaa iyo dawlada xamar fadhida , that is most important question every southerner especially hawiyes should ask themselves before supporting those savages in any way.

[sahal80]

Notic the ethiopian position from SL and PL based on their colonial borders and clan affiliations at the same time!!


"building blocks approach" published on Ethiopian Foreign Ministry position paper in 1998,and later resurfaced in an article published by a Canadian researcher called Matt Bryden whose Attachment to Somali politics has sparked much controversy. In short,the idea briefly reads as follows:.

"A future Somali state might thus resemble a patchwork of semiautonomous territories defined in whole or in part by clan affiliation, leading to a breakdown roughly as follows:

• An Isaaq dominated state in the northwest, corresponding roughly (if not exactly) to the boundaries of former British Somaliland;

• In the Northeast, a principally Mijerteen polity, involving some (if not all) of the broader Harti community in Sanaag and Sool regions;

• A Digil-Mirifle territory centred on (but not necessarily restricted to) the regions of Bay and Bakool;

• Jubbaland, an admixture of groups from the Juba valley, possibly extending as far north as Gedo region;

• An elongated central territory inhabited principally by the Hawiye;

• A national capital (probably, but not necessarily Muqdisho) administered separately as a cosmopolitan hub for all Somalis".(Review of African Political Economy, March 1999, Vol. 26 Issue 79)."

[theyuusuf143]

Notic the ethiopian position from SL and PL based on their colonial borders and clan affiliations at the same time!!


"building blocks approach" published on Ethiopian Foreign Ministry position paper in 1998,and later resurfaced in an article published by a Canadian researcher called Matt Bryden whose Attachment to Somali politics has sparked much controversy. In short,the idea briefly reads as follows:.

"A future Somali state might thus resemble a patchwork of semiautonomous territories defined in whole or in part by clan affiliation, leading to a breakdown roughly as follows:

• An Isaaq dominated state in the northwest, corresponding roughly (if not exactly) to the boundaries of former British Somaliland;

• In the Northeast, a principally Mijerteen polity, involving some (if not all) of the broader Harti community in Sanaag and Sool regions;

• A Digil-Mirifle territory centred on (but not necessarily restricted to) the regions of Bay and Bakool;

• Jubbaland, an admixture of groups from the Juba valley, possibly extending as far north as Gedo region;

• An elongated central territory inhabited principally by the Hawiye;

• A national capital (probably, but not necessarily Muqdisho) administered separately as a cosmopolitan hub for all Somalis".(Review of African Political Economy, March 1999, Vol. 26 Issue 79)."

its natural clan and colonial cdivision Ethiopia has nothing todo with the above somali states. in 1999 somaliland existed longer before TPLf regime. majertenia was historical state 100 years ago and puntland was inspired by creation of somaliland republic since we and harti are rival clans. jubaland existed too so do the RRA . I dont understand why some somalis praise xabashis as genius people loool. Ethiopia never created the above division they may supported some but they cant change any thing

[Xildiiid]

Yusuf,

Exactly, it's all about Isaaq hatred and inferiority complex. As a former Pan Somalist there is not a single "unionist" that can debate me on this issue.

If they were sincere about unity, they would acknowledge the fact that a legit union never existed. They would try to change the discourse in Somaliland and convince Somalilanders about a new union that fits the 21st century. A union that would address the problems Somalis in Somaliland and Somalia are facing. But no, for them it's all about slandering Isaaq because according to them Isaaq is the antithesis to Somali unity. It's all about claiming regions they are minorities in, create "federal states" abroad that do not rule a single town and host parties for their diaspora under the pretext of celebrating (fake) Somali unity.

They're despicable.


I don't think the Hawiye leadership are stupid. They're aware of the demographics and as I've heard Hassan Sheikh propagates for a union based on a north-south formula. In vain though, if it was 1960 or even 1991 maybe but not today.

Sahal,

Ethiopia's agenda was always clear to any fair minded Somali. However, the last 20 years with the Biher Tigrinya in charge of Ethiopia they've completely changed their approach to Somalis. They've adopted a more facilitating and reconciling stance on Somali conflict. Nonetheless, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Even Djibouti, if it wasn't for the NATO military bases, they would've supported another Afar rebellion and then they would annex the Afar parts of Djibouti.

[sahal80]

Notic the ethiopian position from SL and PL based on their colonial borders and clan affiliations at the same time!!


"building blocks approach" published on Ethiopian Foreign Ministry position paper in 1998,and later resurfaced in an article published by a Canadian researcher called Matt Bryden whose Attachment to Somali politics has sparked much controversy. In short,the idea briefly reads as follows:.

"A future Somali state might thus resemble a patchwork of semiautonomous territories defined in whole or in part by clan affiliation, leading to a breakdown roughly as follows:

• An Isaaq dominated state in the northwest, corresponding roughly (if not exactly) to the boundaries of former British Somaliland;

• In the Northeast, a principally Mijerteen polity, involving some (if not all) of the broader Harti community in Sanaag and Sool regions;

• A Digil-Mirifle territory centred on (but not necessarily restricted to) the regions of Bay and Bakool;

• Jubbaland, an admixture of groups from the Juba valley, possibly extending as far north as Gedo region;

• An elongated central territory inhabited principally by the Hawiye;

• A national capital (probably, but not necessarily Muqdisho) administered separately as a cosmopolitan hub for all Somalis".(Review of African Political Economy, March 1999, Vol. 26 Issue 79)."

its natural clan and colonial cdivision Ethiopia has nothing todo with the above somali states. in 1999 somaliland existed longer before TPLf regime. majertenia was historical state 100 years ago and puntland was inspired by creation of somaliland republic since we and harti are rival clans. jubaland existed too so do the RRA . I dont understand why some somalis praise xabashis as genius people loool. Ethiopia never created the above division they may supported some but they cant change any thing

Are you thick or what?

What ethiopia is talking about here is the somali state/nationhood state/al dawlah al somaliya/qaranka somaliyeed but has no actual control on the many clan-based autonomous regions that exist within it

"A future Somali state might thus resemble a patchwork of semiautonomous territories defined in whole or in part by clan affiliation, leading to a breakdown roughly as follows:

One of them is

"• An Isaaq dominated state in the northwest, corresponding roughly (if not exactly) to the boundaries of former British Somaliland"

Their capital
"A national capital (probably, but not necessarily Muqdisho) administered separately as a cosmopolitan hub for all Somalis"

I don't care how you see yourself as my comment wasn't about who you are

I'm against this claim of ethiopia being your friend and ally!!

[sahal80]

If you read the whole report you would see him talking about the past and the future of the ethiopian relations with somalia and he talks about ethiopia having destroyed somalia forever, and that its time to allow the somalis have a weak decentrilized govt for the sake of our security!
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://ww ... xIS7tJVTTg

[theyuusuf143]

If you read the whole report you would see him talking about the past and the future of the ethiopian relations with somalia and he talks about ethiopia having destroyed somalia forever, and that its time to allow the somalis have a weak decentrilized govt for the sake of our security!
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://ww ... xIS7tJVTTg

its like saying Somalia destroyed ethiopia because the ethiopia of today are 9 nations and natiolities and the capital is exactly separate as mogadishu ! . somalis having separate entities does not mean ethiopia did it in fact its the somalis who are milking ethiopia while ethiopia just wants to keep all somalis as its friend's. I believe a federal government could be more powerful than centralized government if somalia stakeholders especially the hawiye states are honest about the federalization. the problem is you guys are not willing to participate all you see is holding the capital. thats why ethiopia get the chance to deal with some regions like puntland or jubaland. as soon as the federalization process is finish ethiopia wont have an greater access to influence the regional states. only the president and prime minister will be allowed to handle the foreign affairs.

[sahal80]

Wtf

ethiopia has been divided into 9 nations kkkk...and whos talking about this and how you see ethiopi? jL, PL, HYL kkkk and you? LOL!

sxb i dont get your isolated and enclosed logic yaan isko xiiqin!

[theyuusuf143]

Wtf

ethiopia has been divided into 9 nations kkkk...and whos talking about this and how you see ethiopi? jL, PL, HYL kkkk and you? LOL!

sxb i dont get your isolated and enclosed logic yaan isko xiiqin!

yes Ethiopia is a federal state with 9 nations and nationalities each ethnic group have their own government. if the Tplf get weaker the Central government will collapse and it could be very hard to set up an other addis based effective central authority. for that reason I believe ethiopia is million times more divided than somalia.

[jalaaludin5]

If you read the whole report you would see him talking about the past and the future of the ethiopian relations with somalia and he talks about ethiopia having destroyed somalia forever, and that its time to allow the somalis have a weak decentrilized govt for the sake of our security!
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://ww ... xIS7tJVTTg

its like saying Somalia destroyed ethiopia because the ethiopia of today are 9 nations and natiolities and the capital is exactly separate as mogadishu ! . somalis having separate entities does not mean ethiopia did it in fact its the somalis who are milking ethiopia while ethiopia just wants to keep all somalis as its friend's. I believe a federal government could be more powerful than centralized government if somalia stakeholders especially the hawiye states are honest about the federalization. the problem is you guys are not willing to participate all you see is holding the capital. thats why ethiopia get the chance to deal with some regions like puntland or jubaland. as soon as the federalization process is finish ethiopia wont have an greater access to influence the regional states. only the president and prime minister will be allowed to handle the foreign affairs.

THIS.

[jalaaludin5]

Wtf

ethiopia has been divided into 9 nations kkkk...and whos talking about this and how you see ethiopi? jL, PL, HYL kkkk and you? LOL!

sxb i dont get your isolated and enclosed logic yaan isko xiiqin!

shirkii turkiga hadii intaa lagu heshiinlaha balo ma jidheen

[sahal80]

Wtf

ethiopia has been divided into 9 nations kkkk...and whos talking about this and how you see ethiopi? jL, PL, HYL kkkk and you? LOL!

sxb i dont get your isolated and enclosed logic yaan isko xiiqin!

yes Ethiopia is a federal state with 9 nations and nationalities each ethnic group have their own government. if the Tplf get weaker the Central government will collapse and it could be very hard to set up an other addis based effective central authority. for that reason I believe ethiopia is million times more divided than somalia.

is this what they teach you?

listen mate, firstly when your talking with some one like me pls respect his intelligence, dont come up this line: you italia somalia...federal somalia... jl pl..as your some exsisting country while your found on the same map!!

you can claim what you like but dont put it like that way when we r talking about different situation!

you need to be humble and say we r a break-away region

secondly you need to do alot of geopolitical and security studies so you can debate with me!

only gurey is my level or more than my level when it comes to SL

now let me refute your claims of ethiopia being divided on 9 ethnic states!

this is merely divide and rule policy!

ethnically, sidamo, hadiya, arsi, bali, qalu are one people

they have being divided on religious and local dialect bases just like the maay dialects

dirir dawa is a governorate, it has a somali population too

mainly christian sidamo were put together with alot of smaller groups as southren nations, hence have no local autonomy or they dont rule

arsi and bali consist another region

so what ethnical states your talking about?

ethiopia is a highly centralized govt

the real ruling party is the TPLF-tigray-

it has front organization that acts as the ruling party as you can see in the link, its head is the tigray pm

this party wins the parliamentry elections 99.6 percent!

it consists of 4 parts from the ruling TPLF and other three puppet parties from amhara, oromo and the southren peoples

Not included somalis and afar who have an allied local puppet parties

Regional leader is appointed

army HQ is located in the tigray capital not addis ababa!

there r 4 army divisions; north-the HQ-, west, south and east

not that big commanders in adis ababa

this is how the 6 million tigray rule the ethiopian continent!

plus every region has special police-local militia- who kill its people!

secret state police and nearly 150 political prisons!

no freedom of the press/assembly

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayan ... tion_Front

Ethiopian Government http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... rnment.htm

what federalism?

its harder now to remove the regime under this sytem than the totalitarian system bc now all you got is a divided people who r busy with eachother oo ko tartama the local puppet admin!

and theres a big secret that you dont know wich is behind this!

tigray has a fear of losing the power for amhara so they believe in self determination and they have secret map that includes the port of musawac-afar region-

they would rule the country in this way and one they lose the power they will declare an independence or an autonomy

one theory says that tigray support the unity of somalia so that it can help them and face ethiopia under the amhara rule!!

these people think 50 years ahead my nomadic friend!.

I'm out of this thread!

[jalaaludin5]

One recurring theme and the most striking difference between the two side (in this case yussuf and sahal - north and South) is the attitude of the two parties....

The south seemed to resign oneself to outside powers and their influence....while the North believe even against all odds they can shape their future and carve their own path.

My two sumuni.

[sahal80]

One recurring theme and the most striking difference between the two side (in this case yussuf and sahal - north and South) is the attitude of the two parties....

The south seemed to resign oneself to outside powers and their influence....while the North believe even against all odds they can shape their future and carve their own path.

My two sumuni.

lol bc they haven't got the chances to get adopted but its the south who's resisting the foreingners more than any somali region starting from the colonial era!

No single southren tribe has ever made treaty with the colonial powers! FACTS!

Your from djibouti I guess

Do you know the algerian history and ahmed bin billa?

He's a great man who won the war against france but he was forced to accept the french language as the countrys language when france was departing

The same way, we r forced to accept amisom when ethiopia was departing!