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Jugjugwacwac wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:@Based. I think I distinctly remember agreeing that Afweyne was not ruthless enough. I also said that he could have avoided the whole war if he simply allowed the North some concessions and liberties. No where did I say that I agreed with him or found him and his policies as anything except abhorrent.

So we agree more than we disagree then. Siyaad was bad, no doubt. And he should have either given concessions or quickly and swiftly put down the rebellion, with as minimal civilian casualities as possible. Where we differ is, you think that despite our current situation the war to topple him was worth it, while I don't. Doesn't mean i'm a kacaanist or that im pro siyaad barre.

You say that because you're a Southerner. I would agree if I was also a Southerner. As a person from the South, then yes the Civil War has indeed been costly and it was nowhere near worth it. Mogadishu is universally considered hell-on-earth. The people of the South have suffered infinitely more humiliation and turmoil than if Siad Barre ruled for a 100 years.

However, as a Northerner, things are different. Hargeisa 30-40 yrs ago was literally a town as big and as developed as a stone-age village. The Isaaq elite had to live in the South to find work and education. They suffered from tribal discrimination, harrassment and governmental nepotism. Secret police were rampant and people went missing. The reason I live in the UK is not because I am a refugee but because my family's lives were in personal danger and made a living hell thanks to Afweyne. Hargeisa and SL might be a shithole today, but they are vastly better than they were under the Kacaan.

I should report the OP for trolling. The title of the thread had me salivating only to discover it is an inter-clan feud.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
You say that because you're a Southerner. I would agree if I was also a Southerner.

lol, it's funny when people assume things about you online but if they were to know you in real life they would eat their words and run with their tail between their legs. Bro, I'm from Isaaq families on both sides that are prominent and very well known in Somaliland and Djibouti. But this is just the internet, think what you want.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:Hargeisa today is ten times better than it was under afweyne. Me and Hargaysaay are the only two Isaaq Somaliweynists on here. We both despise the ictiraaf mantra. But there is one thing we will never do and that's legitimise a brutal and predatory regime that ended up killing more Somalis than any foreigner has managed to do in the history of the Somali people. A regime so incompetent that before it's collapse was on a lifeline of Aid and financial support. So much for the myth of self-sufficiency during the kacaan. Food, weapons and technology were subsidised by the Soviets then America. A regime that went from one policy blunder to the next. A regime that had only one city in the entire country and deprived other areas, especially the north of any capital or human investment. Even a tribalist Isaaq-hating pirate from puntland is willing to agree with those facts.

No true Somali, let alone a son of Isaaq, would ever say that the kacaan regime was anything other than a disaster.

Add me on that list I'm not for recognition.

Jugjugwacwac wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
You say that because you're a Southerner. I would agree if I was also a Southerner.

lol, it's funny when people assume things about you online but if they were to know you in real life they would eat their words and run with their tail between their legs. Bro, I'm from Isaaq families on both sides that are prominent and very well known in Somaliland and Djibouti. But this is just the internet, think what you want.

From the kacaan camp looking back there are a lot of things we could had made different avoid the civilian deaths by using the national army on northern towns and allowing a small group of people to own the country in the late 80s

there were many mistakes from both sides

LH,

Horta in an ideal world, all Somalis and that's including vast majority of Isaaq's would support a union under a just state for all it's citizens and which provided to them all equally. Under this condition the idea of a Somaliweynist is correct and even encouraged.

However, what you have today is far from this ideal scenario, and to entertain the idea of Somaliwyen, is naive at best and suicidal at worst. Somaliweyn or Union is nothing a but a rod to use against Isaaq, not a single Somali alive today is a true to the core unionist. The best example of unionist today are the most vocal, our very own Khatumist. They dream the blue flag and will like a bad door to door salesman claim that if they cut a vain, they will bleed blue and white. The reality though is they are the most tribalist hateful humans god has created. I say this as someone who is friends with many of them. To them this is all a larger plan to bring the Isaaq people down. Unfortunately this is how the majority of the Unionist see this so-called union. They are tribalist and their goal is tribal supremacy at the expense of both your tribe and Somali state.

You can oppose Somaliland and it's leadership as spineless. In my view, we should have gone Xamar or broke in 89. You can even question this sort after succession but what you will never question is no Isaaq person has deep in the dark corner of their hearts a goal to stop your seeds growing...

skywalker25 wrote:LH,

Horta in an ideal world, all Somalis and that's including vast majority of Isaaq's would support a union under a just state for all it's citizens and which provided to them all equally. Under this condition the idea of a Somaliweynist is correct and even encouraged.

However, what you have today is far from this ideal scenario, and to entertain the idea of Somaliwyen, is naive at best and suicidal at worst. Somaliweyn or Union is nothing a but a rod to use against Isaaq, not a single Somali alive today is a true to the core unionist. The best example of unionist today are the most vocal, our very own Khatumist. They dream the blue flag and will like a bad door to door salesman claim that if they cut a vain, they will bleed blue and white. The reality though is they are the most tribalist hateful humans god has created. I say this as someone who is friends with many of them. To them this is all a larger plan to bring the Isaaq people down. Unfortunately this is how the majority of the Unionist see this so-called union. They are tribalist and their goal is tribal supremacy at the expense of both your tribe and Somali state.

You can oppose Somaliland and it's leadership as spineless. In my view, we should have gone Xamar or broke in 89. You can even question this sort after succession but what you will never question is no Isaaq person has deep in the dark corner of their hearts a goal to stop your seeds growing...

I agree. But what do u mean by we should have gone Xamar or broke in 89 exactly?

The SNM should have marched as far south as physically possible with the end goal of capturing the capital and taking over the whole countries leDership.

too many traitors here. isaaqa aan somaliland jeclayn xalaal laguma dhalin.

Skywalker, I agree to that as well. Waar ninyahow we isaaqs know nothing about realpolitik. We're beholden to emotion driven slogans and empty ideology, when success requires daring innovation and flexible pragmatism.

theyuusuf143 wrote:too many traitors here. isaaqa aan somaliland jeclayn xalaal laguma dhalin.

Nin kaliya oo dooddan ka qayb galay oo aan Somaliland jeclayn bal sheeg. Hargaysadan la sheegaba annaa iska leh ka awoow ka awoow markaasaad jacayl iyo waxaan loo joogin ka hadlaysaa.

Jugjugwacwac wrote:Skywalker, I agree to that as well. Waar ninyahow we isaaqs no nothing about realpolitik. We're beholden to emotion driven slogans and empty ideology, when success requires daring innovation and flexible pragmatism.

emotion less is the reason wanlweyn is under never ending occupation. whats empty about somaliland ideology ? courage, sacrifice, determination, commitment and toughness is the way forward. there is no turning back we are at the point of no return sxb.

theyuusuf143 wrote:
emotion less is the reason wanlweyn is under never ending occupation. whats empty about somaliland ideology ? courage, sacrifice, determination, commitment and toughness is the way forward. there is no turning back we are at the point of no return sxb.

Oo sootaan garaca ahaa goormaan saaxiibkaa noqday? Somaliland's ideology is empty because it says seccession is muqaddas and that we'll stick to it regardless. What's so holy or sacrosanct about seccession? Nothing, abdsolutely nothing. Now if u ask me if I support secession right now, then i'd tell u yes, but not for the same reason as most Isaaqs. I support it because uniting with the rest of the country isn't advantageous for Somaliland right now, but if it was i'd support a union. So I dont support seccession based on principle, while most Isaaqs do. That's what I mean be placing fantastical idealism over reality based pragmatism

horta adigaa farta isku fiiqee comments kayga hore adiga kugumay socon liquid iyo xertiisaan u jeeday. adiga isaaq nimadaasa ayaaba shaki ka taagnaa garacaa kaa sokeeya kkk. hadaan maah maah kuugu cabiro meeshaanu joognaa waa nin qoyani biyo iskama dhawro. somaliland halkii loo qorsheeyey tegaysaa wixii ka hor yimaadana dhegtaa dhiiga loo darayaa. warkaasi makuu dhacay.

Gartay. Anna waan maahmaahay oo waxaan idhi 'nin qoyani meel u ku qalalo ma waayo'. Adna warkaasi makuu dhacay?