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Methylamine wrote:People need to be careful on what they say. Technically the act of homosexuality does not take you out of the fold of Islam, as the only thing that does is shirk. But saying things such as, "it's okay to gay in Islam" or giving one's self a title like an "openly-gay Muslim" implies that you are glorifying and legitimizing the act of homosexuality in Islam, wrongfully giving the sin a place in the religion. That in it self can potentially be considered an act of shirk. Be mindful in the language that you use when dealing with this topic

People who claim to be Muslim and say that the religion needs reformation need to re-evaluate their lives :arrow:
Religion is only what people practice. When I say Islam needs to be reformed, I'm not saying that whatever notion of TRUE ISLAM is out there, that we need to change it. What I'm saying is that the current nature of Islam practiced by most muslims is not in line with the true islam that God wanted. For example, if many modern Muslims believe terrorism is justified in Islam, then that would be form of Islam that needs to be reformed. Why should it be reformed? Because that is not the version of Islam I believe God wanted. PERIOD.

Reforming Islam does not mean creating a new religion or editing the religion. Its about INTERPRETING the faith in a manner consistent with our evolving morals and notions of justice. The fact we are now learning homosexuality is natural. That it is found all over the animal kindom. That people are born with it. That they don't have a choice many times in who they love. These are all factors that should help us understand that homosexuality CANNOT be immoral since its natural. Thus, it makes sense to INTERPRET the faith as being consistent and able to co-exist with homosexuality rather than acting like its anti-thetical to being muslim.

All religion is human practice. And human practice is forever changing. The idea we can know everything about Islam now is foolish. Just like its foolish to think people a thousand years ago knew about homosexuality and how it arose.
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SiennaEarth wrote:
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SiennaEarth wrote:Being homosexual does not take one out of Islam but it is a BIG sin. How is this man denying that Sura Lut was about homosexuality lol? He is in denial. Allah clearly mentioned He destroyed the people of Lut including Luts wife due to practising homosexuality.
I thought he made a great counter-argument to this theory by pointing out the people of Lut were also enganging in other immoral behavior such as murder, stealing, etc. Obviously there was homosexuality before Lut. Why didn't God kill homosexuals in those other communities?

I think the story of Lut is spun by people like you who want to discriminate against other people simply because of how they were born. If we can read the story of Lut in a manner that does not proscribe discrimination, I would that say that is preferably and more in line with the nature of the Quran as a whole.

The Quran is a ANTI-DISCRIMINATORY text. Most of it is about the oneness of humanity and the fact God made us all the same. I doubt that same Quran would also contain a message for God proscribing we discriminate against one section of his creation for a nature that they were born with. Gay people don't choose to be gay just as you don't choose to be straight. They were born gay. It would be anti-thetical to the rest of the God's message for homosexuality to be a sin when it was created by God himself.
:comeon: Yes people of Lut used to commit other sins too but homosexuality was the worst one. Allah punished them as opposed to other homosexual practisers because they practised it as a community/nation. Nearly everyone if not all in Luts town practised it. I don't know if they did it out of worship or just for the sake of doing it. When Lut told them to stop this practise they told him to leave them otherwise they will kill him. Allah mentions in the Qur'an he destroyed the people of Lut including his wife except for Lut and his son (or sons don't remember if he had one or more).

If you believe homosexuality is permissible in Islam you are out of your mind. Allah says in the Qur'an he created everyone in PAIRS and the correct tafseer for that is he created everyone in pairs meaning male and female. There is no place in Islam for homosexuals.

However Homosexuality is a really big sin but it does not take one out of the fold of Islam but it's a sin that angers Allah greatly. You can sugar coat it all you like saxiib but that is the truth. If you don't like it then no one is forcing you to like it but don't go around claiming it's something permissible in Islam.

Allah did not make individuals homosexuals but they have been lead astray by shaytaan to believe they are homosexuals. Homosexuality is not something that occurs naturally it's something that is developed. No one is born to be homosexual. People become homosexuals out of ignorance or temptations and whispering of shaytaan.

If Homosexuality was natural Allah would have made a way for a man and a man to naturally create a baby and a woman and a woman to naturally create a baby but we all know it takes a man and a woman to make a baby.
Well I guess this is why we can't see eye to eye. I would agree with you that IF homosexuality was really a choice. And that people were not born gay as most scientific research claims, then yes you would have a stronger argument in saying the story of Lut was clearly about homosexuality being immoral and that being gay is not compatible with Islam.

However, I just disagree with you that being gay is a choice. Gay people face so much persecution around the world for who they love that even in progressive countries like America, it leads to discrimination and the breaking up of families that I highly doubt people would want to face this level of persecution BY CHOICE. I believe the leading scientific research when it says that homosexuality is genetic and that people are born gay rather than choosing to be gay. Its because I believe that people are born gay that I believe homosexuality is COMPATIBLE with Islam. Because like I've said many times. It would make no sense to me for God to make a portion of the population NATURALLY gay and then punish them for that very nature. It would make no sense at all. And that is why I am strongly in the camp of non-discrimination of gays.
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MaliPrince wrote:
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MaliPrince wrote: I thought he made a great counter-argument to this theory by pointing out the people of Lut were also enganging in other immoral behavior such as murder, stealing, etc. Obviously there was homosexuality before Lut. Why didn't God kill homosexuals in those other communities?

I think the story of Lut is spun by people like you who want to discriminate against other people simply because of how they were born. If we can read the story of Lut in a manner that does not proscribe discrimination, I would that say that is preferably and more in line with the nature of the Quran as a whole.

The Quran is a ANTI-DISCRIMINATORY text. Most of it is about the oneness of humanity and the fact God made us all the same. I doubt that same Quran would also contain a message for God proscribing we discriminate against one section of his creation for a nature that they were born with. Gay people don't choose to be gay just as you don't choose to be straight. They were born gay. It would be anti-thetical to the rest of the God's message for homosexuality to be a sin when it was created by God himself.
:comeon: Yes people of Lut used to commit other sins too but homosexuality was the worst one. Allah punished them as opposed to other homosexual practisers because they practised it as a community/nation. Nearly everyone if not all in Luts town practised it. I don't know if they did it out of worship or just for the sake of doing it. When Lut told them to stop this practise they told him to leave them otherwise they will kill him. Allah mentions in the Qur'an he destroyed the people of Lut including his wife except for Lut and his son (or sons don't remember if he had one or more).

If you believe homosexuality is permissible in Islam you are out of your mind. Allah says in the Qur'an he created everyone in PAIRS and the correct tafseer for that is he created everyone in pairs meaning male and female. There is no place in Islam for homosexuals.

However Homosexuality is a really big sin but it does not take one out of the fold of Islam but it's a sin that angers Allah greatly. You can sugar coat it all you like saxiib but that is the truth. If you don't like it then no one is forcing you to like it but don't go around claiming it's something permissible in Islam.

Allah did not make individuals homosexuals but they have been lead astray by shaytaan to believe they are homosexuals. Homosexuality is not something that occurs naturally it's something that is developed. No one is born to be homosexual. People become homosexuals out of ignorance or temptations and whispering of shaytaan.

If Homosexuality was natural Allah would have made a way for a man and a man to naturally create a baby and a woman and a woman to naturally create a baby but we all know it takes a man and a woman to make a baby.
Well I guess this is why we can't see eye to eye. I would agree with you that IF homosexuality was really a choice. And that people were not born gay as most scientific research claims, then yes you would have a stronger argument in saying the story of Lut was clearly about homosexuality being immoral and not in line with Islam.

I just disagree with you that being gay is a choice. Gays face so much persecution even in progressive countries like America that I doubt people would want to face this level of persecution BY CHOICE. I believe the leading scientific research that homosexuality is largely genetic and out of our hands. Its because of my strong belief that people who are gay are born this way and don't choose to be gay that I believe homosexuality is COMPATIBLE with Islam. Because like I've said many times. It would make no sense to me for God to make a portion of the population NATURALLY gay and then punish them for that very nature. It would make no sense at all. And that is why I am strongly in the camp of non-discrimination of gays.
I never said homosexuality is a choice in the sense that people wake up one day and think hey guess what I'm going to like the same gender. However shaytan attacks their mind and makes them believe they are homosexuals and of course this makes them think they have no choice they are homosexuals and that's it.

Sometimes people also have temptations to do certain things and because they get those temptations they think it's natural because its something they can't control. Its the same with desiring to have sex especially if one is not married muslims can go around and say hey we shouldn't be punished for having sex outside of marriage its natural we have temptations of sex and if it was wrong Allah would not create these thoughts in my mind etc.

It's easy to blame everything on it occurring by it self but the truth is yes people may get homosexual thoughts and temptations and feel they have no control over these thoughts but it is still not natural if it was it wouldn't take two people from the opposite gender to create a child. Since people do not want to follow God on this lets look at it from a scientifical point of view. If homosexuality was natural science would have made it natural. If no God created humans and everything occurred by scientifical chance then why did science discriminate against homosexuals why didn't it allow them to have families and conceive babies?

It's not with humans only it's also with animals and plants, why did science make it so that it takes to living things from the opposite gender to mate and create another life? :idea:
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MaliPrince wrote:
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MaliPrince wrote:Christians and Jews have evolved on this topic. Time for Muslims to evolve. Gay people are a part of our world and we can't continue to discriminate against them for something they were obviously born with.
Does the Quran have an expiration date on it!? Yes or no?
where in the quran does it say gay people should be killed or discriminated against? where does it say its against God's law?

use simple logic walaal. why would God make a percentage of our population gay if it was a sin? I know your homophobic playbook will start talking about pedophilia now. However, you can't compare homosexuality to pedophilia because the problem with pedophilia is the fact that its an adult engaging in sex with a child that CANNOT consent. Homosexuality is about two adults choosing through their own free will to engage in consexual sex. Sex that does not harm anyone else.

I have no idea why the sexual behavior of consenting adults should be anybody's business. Obviously God didn't think it was important since he made no mention of it in the Quran.
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Your logic is so poor wallahi. I'm literally in shock right now.

No one is saying that having homosexual thoughts or feelings is a problem. The problem is the actual act. The act of a man having sexual relations with another man is a huge problem and is one of the most major sins in Islam. This is undeniable and was mentioned in the Quran numerous times, including Surah 7, Surah 26, and Surah 11.

Anyone with even a minimal knowledge on Islam would know this. For you to say that homosexual acts are acceptable is akin to you saying that you know better than God as to what's acceptable and what's not. This is an act of kufr which takes you out of the fold of Islam

Answer this question: If I have a sexual attraction towards my brother's wife, is it acceptable that I pursue sexual relations with her? Or is it fine because you have the ridiculous philosophy of "If it feels good then do it".....with absolutely no regard for morals or human decency.

Homosexuality is a major sin in Islam and nothing you say can avoid this fact.
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MaliPrince is an extremely unsavory character. He has said some blatantly kufr statements and now he's advocating sodomy to be practiced in our society

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Think again genius. There's a huge difference between being homosexual and actually committing homosexual actions. No one is gonna penalize you for your thoughts. But actually engaging in homosexual intercourse is the sin here.

Your knowledge on Islam is pitiful
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Kaafiye wrote:MaliPrince is an extremely unsavory character. He has said some blatantly kufr statements and now he's advocating sodomy to be practiced in our society

:pac:

Think again genius. There's a huge difference between being homosexual and actually committing homosexual actions. No one is gonna penalize you for your thoughts. But actually engaging in homosexual intercourse is the sin here.

Your knowledge on Islam is pitiful
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15 years ago we had had one queer member, I think his name was Afdheere who said he came out of the closet. 99% of the discussion was about there's no gay etc. member's argument was based such things doesn't exit, Afdheere is troll etc. Today people are openly debating whether these people have right in Muslim world. I assume next ten year we may see pro gay demonstration in front of Somalia/Somaliland parliament :lol: :lol:


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Kulahaa waa natural. :lol:
Every thing we do is choice, even religion is choice and because God know what is going to happen before they happen, he knows what you are going to choose.
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I follow the quran and hadiths that comport with the inherent notions on truth and justice God placed within us. Nothing in my being believes that people should be discriminated against for who they love. God made us all to be who we are. Obviously any hadiths that consider gay people to be immoral is a hadith that is INACCURATE because it does not comport with the natural world God created.

Why would God make people gay if it were immoral? It makes no sense.
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Bum sex and sex before marriage are banned....if gay men were allowed to marry, that would change the whole game, but they arent, so every sexual act they commit is xaram and so homosexuality is xaram. There is nothing about 'gays' being banned because the concept of gays as an open group in society did not exist in those days. Qawm ul Lut were rapist bandits so their story is not just about gays but about banditry and rape.
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Let's keep this debate simple. Islam as it is, is perfect. It has no flows or imperfections. However, humans are not perfect and have interpreted the religion to suit their views. The problem is not with Islam, it is with us. If Muslims actually practiced Islam the way Allah has ordained us to, Muslims would not be in the unfortunate situation they're currently in.

One just has to examine the history of Islam to see the importance of implementing the religion in their daily lives, when Muslims reigned supreme (Islamic Spain, The Ottoman Empire...ETC) most Muslims were following the authentic Sunnah and Hadeeth. Being a devout Muslim doesn't necessarily mean not wearing a big khamees or having a Santa-Claus beard. It is about practicing and doing simple things such as praying Salaah, giving charity and carrying out the five pillars of Islam and trying your utmost best not to commit any sins . Nowadays, we have two extremities. On one side there are barbarians and terrorists who believe Islam is about war and chopping peoples' heads off and on the other hand we have 'liberal Muslims'; a pathetic group of apologetic people that are constantly trying to alter the deen to please others.

There is no such thing as being moderate or extremist. A Muslim is a Muslim and does not subscribe to either of these corrupt ideologies. We follow the prophetic tradition and the Quran. it's simple as that. Anyway, May Allah guide us all. Aameen.
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TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote:Let's keep this debate simple. Islam as it is, is perfect. It has no flows or imperfections. However, humans are not perfect and have interpreted the religion to suit their views. The problem is not with Islam, it is with us. If Muslims actually practiced Islam the way Allah has ordained us to, Muslims would not be in the unfortunate situation they're currently in.

One just has to examine the history of Islam to see the importance of implementing the religion in their daily lives, when Muslims reigned supreme (Islamic Spain, The Ottoman Empire...ETC) most Muslims were following the authentic Sunnah and Hadeeth. Being a devout Muslim doesn't necessarily mean not wearing a big khamees or having a Santa-Claus beard. It is about practicing and doing simple things such as praying Salaah, giving charity and carrying out the five pillars of Islam and trying your utmost best not to commit any sins . Nowadays, we have two extremities. On one side there are barbarians and terrorists who believe Islam is about war and chopping peoples' heads off and on the other hand we have 'liberal Muslims'; a pathetic group of apologetic people that are constantly trying to alter the deen to please others.

There is no such thing as being moderate or extremist. A Muslim is a Muslim and does not subscribe to either of these corrupt ideologies. We follow the prophetic tradition and the Quran. it's simple as that. Anyway, May Allah guide us all. Aameen.
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By the way, homosexuality is forbidden. There isn't a single verse in the Quran that condones this strange behaviour.
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TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote:By the way, homosexuality is forbidden. There isn't a single verse in the Quran that condones this strange behaviour.
Tell that to MaliPrince, the character who actually believes that he has the right to "pick and choose" which aspects of Islam he wants to believe in. He's absolutely insufferable.

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Homosexuality is natural; as natural as planting a tree and watching it grow. Homosexual intercourse is natural. Homosexual lust is natural.

Those who have a problem with homosexuals are closeted homosexuals themselves. What is not natural is your obsession with homosexuals. There is no difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual just like there is no difference between a man who lives the color blue and a man who likes the color green. People like what they like.

I have an issue with people who masquerade as gay people and beg to be apart of Islam or any of the Abrahamic faiths for that matter. Stop it. We have one man here who I will not name otherwise I would be dignifying him. He is a troll that seeks to embarrass the LGBT community but he has done a poor job at it and has been called a troll by the very people he was begging.


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