Why do somali kenyans look jareer

[SonofANomad]

Funnily enough, I was talking to a friend about this recently.

I've had a long-standing (and completely unscientific) theory that you begin to look like the people you live with after a while. I feel like I can point out UK Somalis (particularly women) from other diaspora groups, not to mention some Suju's who get those tired looking eyes like the two pictures posted by Xamud

Epigenetics (environmental influence on your genome) mostly affects disease risks, but not in any way your phenotype. That's why White Australians still look British despite 200 years on a different continent.

Then why do Oromo look like Amxaara and Tigrey despite being allegedly closer to Somalis?

BTW OP don't you guys get tired of these same "these people look like this~" topics? Why are you so obsessed with looks when Somalia's a shithole? Insecure losers.

Oromos arent that closed to us They only the ones that are Geographically closed to us.

Unlike somalis the oromos are collection of tribes that differ!

Many oromo tribes mixed with different ethnicities some habesha some bantu and ofc the ones who are closer in language and DNA with somalis

Infact oromo that are close Geographically to us only have 30% of the somali E1b3 DNA while somalis have 77% y cluster 98%

So u understand now somalis are very unique and pure compared to othe groups.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

What is Agaw?

[Itrah]

What is Agaw?

The original Cushites of Northern and Central Ethiopia.

The Beja first broke off from proto-Cushites and remained in Northeast Sudan.

Then the Agaw broke off and remained in Eritrea-North Ethiopia.

[zumaale]

Not again . Where is Maliprince, he is a bit late to proceedings.

Liquid, when the 'proto-cushites' were in existence, we were developing agriculture somewhere in the fertile crescent .

P.s Itrah, that was an attempt at humour so step back from the keyboard.

[SonofANomad]

What is Agaw?

The original Cushites of Northern and Central Ethiopia.

The Beja first broke off from proto-Cushites and remained in Northeast Sudan.

Then the Agaw broke off and remained in Eritrea-North Ethiopia.

cushitic is european coined language group! the hypothesis of cushites being one is no longer valid as their are increasing more evidence agianst it

http://cdn.wardheernews.com/wp-content/ ... Shidad.pdf

I.Introduction: Origins of Somali History
Origin:

Notwithstanding some previously-presented hypotheses on origin of the Somalis, Somalia is a
six millennia-old nation that has been occupying the Somali Peninsula throughout the time of its
history. Even the last and most accepted one of these hypotheses which originates the Somali
from Omo-Tana region cannot be valid anymore, and it is not logical even, because of various,
ignored accounts.
These accounts clearly suggest that the ancestral home of the Somalis was the northern part of
the Peninsula with the Peninsula always being inhabited by the Somalis.1
In one of the recent
studies on Somali history in general and reassessments of Omo-Tana story in particular, an
intimate authority has announced:

“this hypothesis cannot be taken uncritically because cave paintings, dating back to 9,000 BCE,
found in northern Somalia, as well as studies of ancient pyramids, ruined cities, and stone walls
confirm that an ancient civilization thrived here at least from the late Paleolithic or Stone Age…
along with the fact that the ancient Kingdom of Punt once flourished within Somali borders’…
‘Somalia is a nation with a history that stretches back more than ten millennia to the beginnings
of human civilization’.”
2
I have come to a similar conclusion on the question over six years ago. Somalia is one of not so
many countries around the world in which a population change has never been indicated, and any
sign of a noticeable substratum has not so far been observed genetically, linguistically, and
anthropologically. There is no evidence for south-emanated expansion toward the north, but
there are evidences for the opposite. The largest lexical statistics, and other linguistic standards,
from various Afroasiatic languages are used in a forthcoming comparison for reconstructing the
Somali history

The culture consisted of both painting and carving practices. For example, in Tog Qululle, near
Port of Eyl where Nugaal Valley empties on the Indian Ocean, footprints of humans, cattle, and
goats and sheep, were carved on a granite rock; but, in another place near the port, some
inscriptions were painted on the rocks. In the most of places, paintings or carvings contain
numerous inscriptions, various animals, and humans in less number. Of the livestock section,
cows are the most, followed by camels and goats.
The fact that this cattle-loving and rock-painting culture both in pictures and inscriptions has
been run by people who physically (in their dress, weapons, and appearance), resemble the living
Somalis16 is material support and explanation for the other findings.
How have the paintings been dated? It seems that a very few of them were directly dated, but
there were other ways to do so. First, they have been dated on the basis of artifacts found within
them, particularly on Wilton Industry (7,500-5,000 BP).

so you see there is no evidence to support that theory of cushites being one and bracking off like you posted.

linguistical simalarities is just attributed to being geographically close.

as that nonsense you posted is just a theory with no evidence to back it up!

[SonofANomad]

What is Agaw?

Agaw is sa cushitic speaking ethnic group in ethiopia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaw_people

[TheblueNwhite]

Funnily enough, I was talking to a friend about this recently.

I've had a long-standing (and completely unscientific) theory that you begin to look like the people you live with after a while. I feel like I can point out UK Somalis (particularly women) from other diaspora groups, not to mention some Suju's who get those tired looking eyes like the two pictures posted by Xamud

I believe ppl that cohabit together start to look alike too. lol

[sahal80]

This itrah guy talks always crap, pls study the history of the people instead of concentrating only on DNA, you will never understood a people without studying their history



He thinks the nilotic luo tribe a bantu clan

Read the book audacity of hope and see how obama considers him sellf an ugandan than a kenyan!

You need to read their history!

Secondly the degoodiye clan are a gugundhabe somalis, one of the latest clans that arrived kenya so how can you put them with oromo?

Originally they r coming from somali galbeed borders with hiiraan and have expended up to mooyaale region

When they arrived filtu there were already some garre from arsi

There were ajuran/somali-gaalo madoow(borana and wardaay) wars

Garre originally are from the arsi region of ethiopia and they started migrating to the south about the 16 century

Oxford studies consider them to have arrived the juba region before the bantu so they r the first somali related-clan to arrive there

As muslims, they were on the somali side and against the oromo

https://gharriland.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... l-history/

You also need to know that there r two garre people, the may speakers of the south and those in kenya and ethiopia who have an oromo-related dialect though having a somali culture

I think its due to some old separation in todays somali region of ethiopia

Degoodiye people

[Itrah]

He thinks the nilotic luo tribe a bantu clan

Language can sometimes be misleading as to ethnic origins of an ethnic group.

The Luo are majority Bantu by blood. They are not real Nilotes like the Nuer!

See this study: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.short

Secondly the degoodiye clan are a gugundhabe somalis, one of the latest clans that arrived kenya so how can you put them with oromo?
Originally they r coming from somali galbeed borders with hiiraan and have expended up to mooyaale region
When they arrived filtu there were already some garre from arsi
There were ajuran/somali-gaalo madoow(borana and wardaay) wars
Garre originally are from the arsi region of ethiopia and they started migrating to the south about the 16 century
Oxford studies consider them to have arrived the juba region before the bantu so they r the first somali related-clan to arrive there
As muslims, they were on the somali side and against the oromo
https://gharriland.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... l-history/
You also need to know that there r two garre people, the may speakers of the south and those in kenya and ethiopia who have an oromo-related dialect though having a somali culture
http://starfm.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/ ... gala-2.jpg

Only the Marehan in Kenya cluster with normal Somalis on genetic plots. The other Kenyan Somalis are too much mixed with Borana Oromos.

[Estarix]

I think it's usefull reading the history of the NFD, the Garre were the original settlers of southern Somalia. By he 17h-18th century the Borana expanded and brought the Garre under their protection. The garre were allowed to graze and use the wells in Borana land, in turn the Garre was bought into the dominion of the Borana.
The Ajuran after their sultanate were given a whacking by all sorts of clans ranging from the Hawiye to the Geledi, they subsequently dispersed. Some moved to Ogadenia and others moved to the NFD; again like the Borana the Ajuran in the NFD were small in number and under a borana tribal system they ended up mixing with them and they too were brought under the fold of the Borana. The same applies to the Degodia.

This remained the case for more than a 100 years when the Darood who at first early on had a client relationship (because they numbered few) but when they increased in number and the Borana were hit with a small pox epidemic the Darood went to war and drove the Borana out of South Somalia and the NFD. With Menelik raiding the the Borana in Southern Ethiopia and the Somalis fighting them they suffered heavily and were driven to starvation, they went from being the most powerful Oromo group to a broken and destitute one.

[Jugjugwacwac]

The Degodia, Murulle, Mareexaan and Ogaadeen Somalis of NFD should be largely free of any Borana admixture. Itrah, I'm pretty sure the intermediate data points in the chart clustering between Somalis and Borana are Garre and possibly Ajuraan.

[Estarix]

Folks, The Borana are not semi jareer like Itrah says, the differences between the two groups is small;they are only 6% more jareer. An borana admixed Somali can still look ethnic Somali. Garre Somalis whom plot close to Boranas are still very much Somali. I personally have met Garres and cannot tell the difference between them and any other skinny straight from Somalia.

[zumaale]

I think it's usefull reading the history of the NFD, the Garre were the original settlers of southern Somalia. By he 17h-18th century the Borana expanded and brought the Garre under their protection. The garre were allowed to graze and use the wells in Borana land, in turn the Garre was bought into the dominion of the Borana.
The Ajuran after their sultanate were given a whacking by all sorts of clans ranging from the Hawiye to the Geledi, they subsequently dispersed. Some moved to Ogadenia and others moved to the NFD; again like the Borana the Ajuran in the NFD were small in number and under a borana tribal system they ended up mixing with them and they too were brought under the fold of the Borana. The same applies to the Degodia.

This remained the case for more than a 100 years when the Darood who at first early on had a client relationship (because they numbered few) but when they increased in number and the Borana were hit with a small pox epidemic the Darood went to war and drove the Borana out of South Somalia and the NFD. With Menelik raiding the the Borana in Southern Ethiopia and the Somalis fighting them they suffered heavily and were driven to starvation, they went from being the most powerful Oromo group to a broken and destitute one.

You know your history. Allow me to make a few adjustments. It was the Wardei/Orma that were severely weakened by small pox and driven into the Tana river area.

The Boran retained their territorial integrity and had to be checked by the British in the early twentieth century.

The Degodiya were not subject to Oromo domination like the Garre, Gabra, Kenyan Ajuuran and retained their Somali Language.

Bro, I read something disturbing in a journal. The Boran and their clients had a tradition whereby it was not taboo for a man to sleep with another man's wife. A communal sort of approach to sex. The Garres and Ajuuran fell victim to this tradition. No point DNA testing (paternal ancestry) these lot.

The movement of the Darood south and the Bardhere Jamica was also instrumental in emboldening pacified or assimilated Somalis into rebelling against the Oromos.

[countrysideboy]

Unfortunately for tribalist trolls we have real research that was done on Somali Kenyans and they don't show any Niger Congo ancestry at all.

This is consequently the running theory now as these Kenyan Somalis seemingly don't show Niger-Congo admixture (IIRCC as per Lazaridis' supplemental)

http://anthromadness.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... t-all.html

[Estarix]

I think it's usefull reading the history of the NFD, the Garre were the original settlers of southern Somalia. By he 17h-18th century the Borana expanded and brought the Garre under their protection. The garre were allowed to graze and use the wells in Borana land, in turn the Garre was bought into the dominion of the Borana.
The Ajuran after their sultanate were given a whacking by all sorts of clans ranging from the Hawiye to the Geledi, they subsequently dispersed. Some moved to Ogadenia and others moved to the NFD; again like the Borana the Ajuran in the NFD were small in number and under a borana tribal system they ended up mixing with them and they too were brought under the fold of the Borana. The same applies to the Degodia.

This remained the case for more than a 100 years when the Darood who at first early on had a client relationship (because they numbered few) but when they increased in number and the Borana were hit with a small pox epidemic the Darood went to war and drove the Borana out of South Somalia and the NFD. With Menelik raiding the the Borana in Southern Ethiopia and the Somalis fighting them they suffered heavily and were driven to starvation, they went from being the most powerful Oromo group to a broken and destitute one.

You know your history. Allow me to make a few adjustments. It was the Wardei/Orma that were severely weakened by small pox and driven into the Tana river area.

The Boran retained their territorial integrity and had to be checked by the British in the early twentieth century.

The Degodiya were not subject to Oromo domination like the Garre, Gabra, Kenyan Ajuuran and retained their Somali Language.

Bro, I read something disturbing in a journal. The Boran and their clients had a tradition whereby it was not taboo for a man to sleep with another man's wife. A communal sort of approach to sex. The Garres and Ajuuran fell victim to this tradition. No point DNA testing (paternal ancestry) these lot.

The movement of the Darood south and the Bardhere Jamica was also instrumental in emboldening pacified or assimilated Somalis into rebelling against the Oromos.

Yup, your right about those corrections. The Oromo had all kinds of freaky tradition, some involving cow's blood being used in a ceremony which i didnt read further on. Id like to add in addition to the point about the British checking the Borana, whilst that controlled them it also protected them from the forever foraging and cruel Abyssinian whom wanted to expand to all of Borana land.