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This kind of Free trade and open movement is counterproductive for countries who need to get their feet off the ground. Somalia is not at the level yet. When the European enforced this - they were all - industrialised, their markets, businesses, infrastructure were built and thriving and they needed new markets.
On the other hand Somalia still is completely undeveloped, we need the opposite of free trade or free movement of people. we need to develop internally by investing in the local people, funding local businesses, making use of local resources and protect trade.
This is how you get your feet off the ground and industrialise.

Estarix wrote:This kind of Free trade and open movement is counterproductive for countries who need to get their feet off the ground. Somalia is not at the level yet. When the European enforced this - they were all - industrialised, their markets, businesses, infrastructure were built and thriving and they needed new markets.
On the other hand Somalia still is completely undeveloped, we need the opposite of free trade or free movement of people. we need to develop internally by investing in the local people, funding local businesses, making use of local resources and protect trade.
This is how you get your feet off the ground and industrialise.

The monetary policy in Somalia is a joke. Even in the Barre days the Shilling was shit. By having a neutral outside party control the monetary policy of the whole region you can have a more robust economy.

The Ethiopians have order , we don't .
{kala dambayn}

If I were boss of the somalis , of course it be a different story , I mean we could give the habash{tigre amhara} a headache or two but who count on the zoomalis ?

Most of the Barre days were chaotic, i wouldn't bring that up as a precedent. Secondly Somalia is in a pretty bad state and improvement will have to come from inside, externalizing problems and hoping others will fix it is counter effective. Somalia needs a Somali solution, the civilians and the merchant/political class must evolve in tandem.

Lastly i wouldnt want any kind of economic/political union with Ethiopia until it becomes truly democratic.

Ethiopias population is over rated. Ethiopians are much bigger than Somalis in numbers. Oromo is slightly bigger than us, but I think Somalis and Amhara are roughly the same size. Also the somali population in kilil 5 is over rated. 6 million is a bit too much, considering there is only 10 million people in Somalia, which includes Bantu and Somaliland.

Not sure how the number of 100 million can be viewed as overrated, these guys were pushing 80 million recently.
With the way things are going up to the next century (and i have said this before) unless some major catastrophe afflicts them they will be a giant, a hegemon and Somalia will be in it's shadow. Ethiopia will build and produce, where as Somalis will be pastoralists forever behind and bickering within themselves. Similar to how Mongolia is to China. The Eastern Somali population will be like inner Mongolia.

1 more thing , Ethiopia has its christian link working for it , ever since the times of the Romans , we have HEART

Oromos are not a real ethnic group from an ancestry point of view. They have strongly differentiated groups among them that used to speak totally different languages only a few hundred years ago. Also, Amharas are somewhat dubious and have many Agaws among them.

Based on ancestral clustering, Somalis are the second largest ethnic group in the Horn.

1. Oromized & Amharicized Agaws - 23 million
2. ethnic Somalis 17 million
3. ethnic Habesha (Tigre-Tigray-Tigrinya + real Amharas) 15 million
4. Oromized Omotics 10 million
5. ethnic Oromos 5 million

Itrah wrote:Oromos are not a real ethnic group from an ancestry point of view. They have strongly differentiated groups among them that used to speak totally different languages only a few hundred years ago. Also, Amharas are somewhat dubious and have many Agaws among them.

Based on ancestral clustering, Somalis are the second largest ethnic group in the Horn.

1. Oromized & Amharicized Agaws - 20 million
2. ethnic Somalis 17 million
3. ethnic Habesha (Tigre-Tigray-Tigrinya + real Amharas) 15 million
4. Oromized Omotics 10 million
5. ethnic Oromos 5 million

Well people mix in general especially in that region, and basing the ancestry on the bases of absorption is wrong imo, genetically placing people in one group this way is not clear cut, it's arbitrary and it would have to come down to identification, the reason is Agews and Amharas are highly related ( in fact amharas are semetic agews with a bit of arab on top 3-4%) and if one were to go one side and mix with the population they would become one with that group. This applies to most every ethnic group in the horn.
It's why ethnic/tribal nationalism is recent in the region. Horn Africans used to identify and find common ground on the basis of religion in the past.

SahanGalbeed wrote:The Ethiopians have order , we don't .
{kala dambayn}

If I were boss of the somalis , of course it be a different story , I mean we could give the habash{tigre amhara} a headache or two but who count on the zoomalis ?

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Like Estarix said, Ethiopia will become the hegemon of East Africa. Somalia is forever cursed by bordering two of the largest and most important countries in Africa. Ethiopia will reach 100 million in 2016, and Kenya will reach 50 million by 2017.

Somalia's main problem is the lack of arable land and sufficient water. We as a semi arid country have no prospects of competing with the water-towers of Africa. Our land simply cannot sustain such a population level. The only way I can see us ever being able to keep up is through industrialization. But we are far behind in this sector too.

The laangaabnimo of Somalis is due to the nomadic nature of Somalis in the past. Farmers simply always win out numerically over nomads.

That's why it is detrimental to have Bantu farmers present in South Somalia.

Actually Ethiopia is 98 Million according to 1st website, and 101 million according to the second one.
link 1: http://www.worldometers.info/world-popu ... opulation/
Link 2:http://countrymeters.info/en/Ethiopia

Somalia doesn't have a lack of arable land, but can easily feed all of East Africa with its farms in the south alone and in addition make billions more by exporting. Ethiopia with all it's land can feed all Africa but the reason why it's hast even reached self sufficiency levels is because its bad management and insufficient ways of growing/managing crops. This is why the Ethiopian government hands over farms/arable land of locals to foreign businesses, and the same applies to Kenya.

It all comes down to how you make use of the land (irrigation methods, farm technology), tiny Israel which only has 20% arable land is self sufficient and exports 6 billion worth of crops. The problem with Somalia and East Africa isnt with the lack of arable land but ancient irrigation practises and inability to advance to new technologies.

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