Arguments for Recognition

[X.Playa]

Avoid the term " succession" to describe Somaliland's case succession legally means a province or a state within a nation that is illegally separating! Note this term is much used by Somaliland's detractors.

[X.Playa]

Dissolution of the union, or reclaiming independence, restoration of sovereignty etc. Are better terms describing the legitimate case of Somaliland.

[WaaliCas]

Zubeir as another member of SNM family yeah you're right. I used to chill with the SNM as a kid. Many of the seniors used to visit our home including AUN Ibrahim S. Maygaag, who also was family friend and helped my family buy trucks from Japan.

Gen. Aideed also lived a hotel near our home in Dire Dawa owned by Harari gentleman, can't remember his name but he was also Dire water agency chairman.

Secession was the idea of the same people who served with Barre to the last minute. SL should not try to revive colonial legacy and yet argue its free because living the way of colonialism isn't being free. I dismiss the attempt to resurrect the colonial legacy and recognition madness.

At the same time I would not ask them to join AMISOM. There is no hope in the land of niiko and dragging the dead.

[Lancer]

You guys don't want recognition but you also don't want to be ruled by xamar?
You guys want to be in a limbo forever or what?

Every country is going to be the under influence of western powers whether they like it or
not. A bunch of skinnies thinking they won't is laughable. You just have to use it to your advantage
the best way you can.

[Methylamine]

Dissolution of the union, or reclaiming independence, restoration of sovereignty etc. Are better terms describing the legitimate case of Somaliland.

I get really annoyed when I hear Somalilanders telling others that we're seceding from Somalia, it gives legitimacy to the claim made by Koonfurians that Somaliland is the Quebec of Somalia

[WaaliCas]

Meth,

The terms restoration, reclaim, revival and resurrection only mean one thing to me; reliving and idolizing British colony.

It makes no sense why son of africa would portray himself as the grandson of Britain trying to restore his grandfather's legacy.

I also think of ISIS who are chasing the imaginary Mahdi and Khalifate state.

SL has to define itself and mark its own state not blindly tey to reinforce something even the auper power of the day failed.

[X.Playa]

The hypocrisy of this Xabashi stooge is beyond comprehension, this the same person who obsessively glorifies the Ethiopian colonization.

[Rambie]

Zubeir as another member of SNM family yeah you're right. I used to chill with the SNM as a kid. Many of the seniors used to visit our home including AUN Ibrahim S. Maygaag, who also was family friend and helped my family buy trucks from Japan.

Gen. Aideed also lived a hotel near our home in Dire Dawa owned by Harari gentleman, can't remember his name but he was also Dire water agency chairman.

Secession was the idea of the same people who served with Barre to the last minute. SL should not try to revive colonial legacy and yet argue its free because living the way of colonialism isn't being free. I dismiss the attempt to resurrect the colonial legacy and recognition madness.

At the same time I would not ask them to join AMISOM. There is no hope in the land of niiko and dragging the dead.

Hawdian that's not true.

Although I don't like the name we chose for the country, the case of SL is quite legit.
Ethiopia was granted Ogaden by the British and I believe you want to keep it that way.

So whats wrong if SL reclaimed its independence on the same British borders?
Ethiopia its self is heavily influenced by the west, it's not fair to make SL look like a future puppet or
link it to the British to refute it's validity, when most African countries (including Somalia) have a very close
relations with their formal colonies.

[SultanOrder]

Just give up alright. Somaliland was never part of Somalia.

As long as you're bringing that narrative to the table, a discussion won't take place.

SultanOrder - I think agree with Xildiiid. If Somalia will not have a honest and open discussion . With Truth and Facts how can proper discussion take place between both parties?

I think when everything is clear day with just truth and honesty maybe Somalis can move forward. So everyone needs make the effort towards truth and honesty.

States don't have honest discussions they are not people. They do whatever they can to get what they want. Case and point SL claims DH lands in the east despite the resistance of the locals. So why doesn't SL have an honest discussion with them?

But this is not about Somalia and SL. It is about the current strategy of SL to get recognition. Is it working, should it be changed? Does SL play too nice? Etc.

[original dervish]

I'm quite happy to see the secessionists continue pursuing their futile cause indefinitely.
PS Keep hope alive.

[SultanOrder]

Dissolution of the union, or reclaiming independence, restoration of sovereignty etc. Are better terms describing the legitimate case of Somaliland.

If SL remained within Somalia has an entity such as a state within a federal framework than there could be a dissolution of a union. But SL territory ceased to exist as soon as it unified with the other part of Somalia.


Either way secession is the case for a unilateral decision. There is no mutual dissolution of the Somali Republic.


Btw there was no caveat in the unification for SL to ever secede. Maybe SL should ask for that in the negotiations that way in the future they have legal framework to seek independence.

[Xildiiid]

PO,

Your example is absurd because logically it doesn't make sense.

Somaliland can't claim land that legally falls under its jurisdiction. The land you call "DH land" already falls under Somaliland and just because a minority opposes Somaliland because of Isaaq hate doesn't mean others in that so called "DH land" opposes Somaliland, case in point, Fiqishini (HG) and Gabooye.

If it was Isaaq claiming Las Canood or Taleex you would have a point but Isaaq do not claim land that belong to others, even though others claim our land.


Secondly, you keep regurgitating that Somaliland was part of Somalia even though you can't prove it. You can't even prove that a legal union took place.

The two countries merged despite the absence of a legal union but who made Somalia the sole legitimate representative of the Somali republic?

Who gave Somalia, a constituent state of the Somali republic, the right to claim another constituent state i.e Somaliland?

[SimplySerene]

Just give up alright. Somaliland was never part of Somalia.

As long as you're bringing that narrative to the table, a discussion won't take place.

SultanOrder - I think agree with Xildiiid. If Somalia will not have a honest and open discussion . With Truth and Facts how can proper discussion take place between both parties?

I think when everything is clear day with just truth and honesty maybe Somalis can move forward. So everyone needs make the effort towards truth and honesty.

States don't have honest discussions they are not people. They do whatever they can to get what they want. Case and point SL claims DH lands in the east despite the resistance of the locals. So why doesn't SL have an honest discussion with them?

But this is not about Somalia and SL. It is about the current strategy of SL to get recognition. Is it working, should it be changed? Does SL play too nice? Etc.

PO – I think part me just wanted to do some cheerleading. I think this topic may tab bit more then I can do regarding some issues being brought up and topic . So I am just going to watch from the sides line now. Not really a big deal though. I think you will be quite busy with the others members. If you think about it I might be doing has us both favor by stepping aside. Have fun

[SultanOrder]

PO,

Your example is absurd because logically it doesn't make sense.

Somaliland can't claim land that legally falls under its jurisdiction. The land you call "DH land" already falls under Somaliland and just because a minority opposes Somaliland because of Isaaq hate doesn't mean others in that so called "DH land" opposes Somaliland, case in point, Fiqishini (HG) and Gabooye.

If it was Isaaq claiming Las Canood or Taleex you would have a point but Isaaq do not claim land that belong to others, even though others claim our land.


Secondly, you keep regurgitating that Somaliland was part of Somalia even though you can't prove it. You can't even prove that a legal union took place.

The two countries merged despite the absence of a legal union but who made Somalia the sole legitimate representative of the Somali republic?

Who gave Somalia, a constituent state of the Somali republic, the right to claim another constituent state i.e Somaliland?

Xildiid you don't make sense. There was a union, then a referendum that accepted a new constitution, then a unified new state that was recognized and is still recognized to this day consisting of those borders. I don't want nor care to prove a moot point, because it isn't even up for discussion.

Secondly, there is no such thing as SL that has international rights, with a recognized border and state. It is legally an autonomous state inside Somalia. So, when SL claims colonial borders, internationally and nationally it doesn't hold any weight. It is nothing more than an aggressive force trying to expand it's territory.

[SultanOrder]

PO,

The two countries merged despite the absence of a legal union but who made Somalia the sole legitimate representative of the Somali republic?

Who gave Somalia, a constituent state of the Somali republic, the right to claim another constituent state i.e Somaliland?

The seat of the government for the Republic of Somalia was and is Mogadishu, recognized by all the constitutions. Lastly, after the merger Italian Somalia and British Somalia ceased to exist, so I don't know where you get this idea that there are two constituent states, it was a federal republic.