Somali Sufis return to somalia! Now making a Comeback!

[xaliye123]

Medmed, mended yaa jeylaani.

[jalaaludin5]

Let's celebrate all the great things "Salafis" have introduced to Somalia/Somali community:
- THIS MONSTROSITY:

- Bringing the value of the Somali woman down to a can of Pepsi and half an apple.
- Opening the flood gates to every ex-convict and junkie. Every criminal who converts in prison is gifted with a Somali wife.


"You get a Halimo! You get a Halimo! Everybody gets a Halimo!!@!@!"
- Al-Shabaab and suicide bombings. What happened to the good ol' fashion gun?
- Jihadi Farah and ISIS Jihadi brides
- Islam haters like Ayaan Hirsi, Amal Farah, Abdijohnson etc.

Feel free to add.

You overcompensating ma is tiri.
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What you call monstrosity is what 90% of Somali women wear. Stop been disrespectful and...yaan lagugu soo gaban


Ps...You diss hooyooyin Somaliyeed and celebrate with that beast Oprah.

[SolidCamel]

What's wrong with being a normal Sunni orthodox muslim?

I'm just a sunni Muslim, I don't prescribe to any sects.

[Bandit]

For all the ninjas out their who cover their face why do you do it? Do you think of yourself as a mexican wrestler or something

[AgentOfChaos]

This is our Somalis

[Kareem99]

Too much simplification going on in this thread.

It's interesting how everyone keeps saying all Sufis are peace-loving folk who are totally cool with a half-naked woman. Sufis that have an established tariqa are just as "conservative" with respect to dress code (and other fiqh matters) as Salafis. The Taliban who enforced the burqa on the Afghan women were deobandi, who are themselves strict Hanafi Sufis. I think too many of you conflate the terms "salafi" with "conservative." It's quite possible to be both conservative AND Sufi. But too many people see a woman wearing niqaab, or a man with a long beard, and they automatically think "salafi/wahabi/killer/tafiri"... Quite comical really.

Sufis can be cool, they can be brutal. So can salafis, and pretty much every other sect of every other religion out there. Let's not oversimplify.

PS: I love Somali sufis. Really cool people. Laakin kuwaan Hindida iyo Paakistaan (for the most part) have a very harsh and rude attitude in my experience. No different from "wahabis."

[Buraanbur]

Let's celebrate all the great things "Salafis" have introduced to Somalia/Somali community:
- THIS MONSTROSITY:

- Bringing the value of the Somali woman down to a can of Pepsi and half an apple.
- Opening the flood gates to every ex-convict and junkie. Every criminal who converts in prison is gifted with a Somali wife.


"You get a Halimo! You get a Halimo! Everybody gets a Halimo!!@!@!"
- Al-Shabaab and suicide bombings. What happened to the good ol' fashion gun?
- Jihadi Farah and ISIS Jihadi brides
- Islam haters like Ayaan Hirsi, Amal Farah, Abdijohnson etc.

Feel free to add.

You overcompensating ma is tiri.
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What you call monstrosity is what 90% of Somali women wear. Stop been disrespectful and...yaan lagugu soo gaban


Ps...You diss hooyooyin Somaliyeed and celebrate with that beast Oprah.

Wait..what??? Not one female in my family wears that, not even my 80 yr old grandmother. And how am I dissing hooyooyin Somaliyeed? The tent is a post-war invention. I'd like to think Somali women are defined by more than a piece of cloth. I have every right to say that it is ugly and doing so isn't disrespectful, it's my opinion. As for celebrating Oprah.. do you know how gifs work? No? Okay.

[jalaaludin5]

Let's celebrate all the great things "Salafis" have introduced to Somalia/Somali community:
- THIS MONSTROSITY:

- Bringing the value of the Somali woman down to a can of Pepsi and half an apple.
- Opening the flood gates to every ex-convict and junkie. Every criminal who converts in prison is gifted with a Somali wife.


"You get a Halimo! You get a Halimo! Everybody gets a Halimo!!@!@!"
- Al-Shabaab and suicide bombings. What happened to the good ol' fashion gun?
- Jihadi Farah and ISIS Jihadi brides
- Islam haters like Ayaan Hirsi, Amal Farah, Abdijohnson etc.

Feel free to add.

You overcompensating ma is tiri.
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-

What you call monstrosity is what 90% of Somali women wear. Stop been disrespectful and...yaan lagugu soo gaban


Ps...You diss hooyooyin Somaliyeed and celebrate with that beast Oprah.

Wait..what??? Not one female in my family wears that, not even my 80 yr old grandmother. And how am I dissing hooyooyin Somaliyeed? The tent is a post-war invention. I'd like to think Somali women are defined by more than a piece of cloth. I have every right to say that it is ugly and doing so isn't disrespectful, it's my opinion. As for celebrating Oprah.. do you know how gifs work? No? Okay.

My Grand mother also does not wear that big jilbab nor do I know of any family members/relatives who do. Ok, you can count with one hand those that do go full Ninja. But that's beside the point.

For someone who lives in the west and appreciate freedom of choice, why are you denying these women their choice of clothing? I understand this is not how our female folks use dress but do you have to ridicule them? Don't we have enough critics who love nothing more than to vilify and drag us through the mad?

As a Somali sister I know you only have their best interest at heart (I hope) and I also know that there has to be a better way to address the issue instead of resulting to tactics that are demeaning to our women.

Not all that cheer from the sideline are really in tune with the spirit of your message which is why I said....yaan lagugu soo gaban! Just like those feminist xalimos we been discussing and how they are too naive to realise they been used....
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Well it cuts both ways. So again.....yaan lagugu soo gaban Abaayo

[Buraanbur]

I'm not denying them their freedom of choice, but I have the right to have my opinion on their choices and the right to comment on the fact that it is due to Salafism that this particular dress has been introduced to, and forced on, many Somali women in Somalia/Africa.

It's ridiculous that you think I'm being used by others. It's as if you think I'm too dumb to form an original thought of my own.

[jalaaludin5]

I'm not denying them their freedom of choice, but I have the right to have my opinion on their choices and the right to comment on the fact that it is due to Salafism that this particular dress has been introduced to, and forced on, many Somali women in Somalia/Africa.

It's ridiculous that you think I'm being used by others. It's as if you think I'm too dumb to form an original thought of my own.

no no no.

I am not saying you are too dumb. That's why I said..

Not all that cheer from the sideline are really in tune with the spirit of your message

[Buraanbur]

That's fine with me. In the west, the two ills of our community are gang-life and the Salafi cult. In Somalia, the real problem is Salafism and the introduction of suicide bombings, beheadings, burkahs, Al-Shabaab/ICU/AIAI and other Jihadi groups, and political Islamists like Al-Islah/Damul Jadiid which has plunged the country further into the abyss. Somalis will soon be longing to return to the days of qabil and bullets.

[SiennaEarth]

Why the hell would you want sufism in Somalia? Wallahi most of your hearts are dead if you are supporting Sufism in Somalia. But that doesn't mean I support khawarij Al Shabab and their extreme views. They're both something that should be eradicated from Somalia.

[gurey25]

Too much simplification going on in this thread.

It's interesting how everyone keeps saying all Sufis are peace-loving folk who are totally cool with a half-naked woman. Sufis that have an established tariqa are just as "conservative" with respect to dress code (and other fiqh matters) as Salafis. The Taliban who enforced the burqa on the Afghan women were deobandi, who are themselves strict Hanafi Sufis. I think too many of you conflate the terms "salafi" with "conservative." It's quite possible to be both conservative AND Sufi. But too many people see a woman wearing niqaab, or a man with a long beard, and they automatically think "salafi/wahabi/killer/tafiri"... Quite comical really.

Sufis can be cool, they can be brutal. So can salafis, and pretty much every other sect of every other religion out there. Let's not oversimplify.

PS: I love Somali sufis. Really cool people. Laakin kuwaan Hindida iyo Paakistaan (for the most part) have a very harsh and rude attitude in my experience. No different from "wahabis."

Sufism is a misnomer, most people identified as sufis are not sufis do not practice ihsan, but are just normal traditional muslims.
Now afghans are traditionally hanafi but the reality is that deobandism has merged with Wahabism/Salafism
to form a contiguous form.
What identifies them is that the deobandis have left hanfism completly, Salafist have little respect for the madhabs
for 1000 years of hard work and learning.
They believe the ravings of some lunatic in nejd is greater than the madhabs.

This is not a conflict between sufis and salafis.
It between literalist/and modernists and traditional islam.

in my opinion both extremes are to be fought against.

The esoteric deviation of some so called sufi's and their cultism is as dangerous as the brain numbing literalists of the salafis and their ilk.
both extremes will lead to downfall, as we are surrounded by the very seductive and attractive secularism.
I see secularism and ultimatley kufr is the winner in this war.
Every time we lose some one to one these cults , they minds are now open to secularism more than ever.

[SonofANomad]

Why the hell would you want sufism in Somalia? Wallahi most of your hearts are dead if you are supporting Sufism in Somalia. But that doesn't mean I support khawarij Al Shabab and their extreme views. They're both something that should be eradicated from Somalia.

pffss get out of here sufism is here to stay! we have been sufis since the time of the prophet! guess who is fighting all those alshababis and advocating for peace in somalis Sufis

Ur heart is dead if support salafism!

[Machiavelli2]

What is the point of insulting one another? May Allah SWT guide us all and we may reach the maturity to respect and tolerate one another.