Superiority complex of Somalis

[iandi]

i may come back and address the two of your points one by one if i have the time. Suffice it to say that i won't be getting into a pissing contest with you regarding who has more millionaires and suffice it to say that the only reason i get involved in any of the threads is when somalis find it necessary to sh8t on other people's culture in order to elevate their own e.g. "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence." BS of the highest order of course which i sometimes feel to need to respond to...knowing full well that the amoeba who talks that kind of garbage has either no capability or desire to move beyond his one brain cell.

Be prideful...no problem....identify as a martian if you will....no problem.....denigrate other people's culture...problem....and its even more agregious when those people's ancestors paved the way for your people to be able to come here and produce millionaires as you say.

Anyway...My comments on this forum are more for the rest of the world than for some of the ingrates that reside on this forum. And btw this is the internet....if somali filth can come to caribbean forums and leave sh*t stains then i can come on here and move my verbal bowels as well.

You're already pissing here, fella. Every thing you posted here is mean-spirited and provocative. Since when did a fella "claiming" to have come from the Caribbean became a spokesperson for black Americans? This is one of the proofs that you're not who you claimed to be. If you didn't come here other than being provocative, why didn't you contribute to other topics? No Somalis is dissing on other people's culture. Keep in mind I've seen many Caribbeans who are keeping their distance from AAs. I saw it with my own eyes, so it is not like a Somali thing only. I was briefed in my first job in America by 2 fellow Africans from Nigeria and Ghana that I want to keep my distance from AAs. That does not mean there are no good people among AAs; there are indeed many good people amongs them, but by and large it is better for Africans, Somalis included, keep their distance from AAs. Their experiences - despite my sympathy with them in their ordeal in America - is not our experiences. Their struggle is different than others. And we wish the best of luck to them, however, we want to tell our young and our people in general that we're only Somalis. No other description or connotations can describe us!

Second, if you have a problem with that statement that you quoted where someone stated, "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence," could you explain to us how do black Americans, who're only 12% of America's population, make-up 60% of the prison population in America? This does not mean I am taking comfort in their plight; I am not. But in reality, statistics do tell a story, and that is, that community is one that is crime-ridden. Still, if any of them is arrested unjustly, they have my sympathy. However, statistics don't lie.

Bottom line, we're Somalis and that is our only description of who we're. You got a problem with that, be my guest!

Just as i thought. You are just another bottom feeding puss. Yes i am from the caribbean...yes i am proud of that...yes we are a wonderful people....yes there are assholes in my group as well....yes i have educated myself about AA history...yes i know the fallacy of regurgitating statistics in a vaccum. Its like saying how come all the beheaders we see in the news today are muslims....its like saying how come all the mental cases blowing themselves to smitherins in different parts of the world today are muslims....and then extrapolate to the conclusion that all muslims are rabid mad dogs. Don't you see how simple you are by just quoting those statistics in a vacuum and then drawing the conclusion that black culture is only about crime and violence.

[Kaafiye]

i may come back and address the two of your points one by one if i have the time. Suffice it to say that i won't be getting into a pissing contest with you regarding who has more millionaires and suffice it to say that the only reason i get involved in any of the threads is when somalis find it necessary to sh8t on other people's culture in order to elevate their own e.g. "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence." BS of the highest order of course which i sometimes feel to need to respond to...knowing full well that the amoeba who talks that kind of garbage has either no capability or desire to move beyond his one brain cell.

Be prideful...no problem....identify as a martian if you will....no problem.....denigrate other people's culture...problem....and its even more agregious when those people's ancestors paved the way for your people to be able to come here and produce millionaires as you say.

Anyway...My comments on this forum are more for the rest of the world than for some of the ingrates that reside on this forum. And btw this is the internet....if somali filth can come to caribbean forums and leave sh*t stains then i can come on here and move my verbal bowels as well.

LOL First of all, the vast majority of Somalis don't live in the West. Of the few Somalis who live in the West, only a minority of them live in the United States. So if you want to categorize our people based on the tiny percentage of us who actually live in the USA, then you'd be fooling yourself. But the Civil Rights struggle in the US benefited not just Somalis, but the Vietnamese, the Mexicans, the Arabs, the Indians, and other groups. And even in countries which had an entirely different history from the United States; such as Finland, Sweden, Australia, Denmark, and the Netherlands....there exist thousands of Somali refugees. So don't make this about America.


P.S. And if Somali trolls come to your forum and cause up a storm, then get rid of them. It's simple. Those trolls want a reaction out of you, so stop letting them win. No one here condones that stuff.

[jalaaludin5]

Stop ganging up on IANDI guys.

[iandi]

LOL First of all, the vast majority of Somalis don't live in the West. Of the few Somalis who live in the West, only a minority of them live in the United States. So if you want to categorize our people based on the tiny percentage of us who actually live in the USA, then you'd be fooling yourself. But the Civil Rights struggle in the US benefited not just Somalis, but the Vietnamese, the Mexicans, the Arabs, the Indians, and other groups. And even in countries which had an entirely different history from the United States; such as Finland, Sweden, Australia, Denmark, and the Netherlands....there exist thousands of Somali refugees. So don't make this about America.


P.S. And if Somali trolls come to your forum and cause up a storm, then get rid of them. It's simple. Those trolls want a reaction out of you, so stop letting them win. No one here condones that stuff.

Thanks for correcting me that Somalis...live all over the world....and are struggling all over the world the same damn way. So if that is the case why are you all so fixated on american blacks. Arabs are treating your people like sh*t in their countries....europeans are treating your people like so much filth in their countries. One might see a word of anger here or a word of push back there when its put in their faces on the forum....but then you all quickly pivot and are right back to AAs. Its like you all have a massive tree trunk up your arses about these people...most of whom don't know you from Adam.

Can you tell that i have a healthy respect for AA culture...even as a proud caribbean person.

Again i understand the need to set yourselves apart....please do so.....but know the difference between coming off as a people with pride and sounding like complete fools.

[Kaafiye]

LOL First of all, the vast majority of Somalis don't live in the West. Of the few Somalis who live in the West, only a minority of them live in the United States. So if you want to categorize our people based on the tiny percentage of us who actually live in the USA, then you'd be fooling yourself. But the Civil Rights struggle in the US benefited not just Somalis, but the Vietnamese, the Mexicans, the Arabs, the Indians, and other groups. And even in countries which had an entirely different history from the United States; such as Finland, Sweden, Australia, Denmark, and the Netherlands....there exist thousands of Somali refugees. So don't make this about America.


P.S. And if Somali trolls come to your forum and cause up a storm, then get rid of them. It's simple. Those trolls want a reaction out of you, so stop letting them win. No one here condones that stuff.

Thanks for correcting me that Somalis...live all over the world....and are struggling all over the world the same damn way. So if that is the case why are you all so fixated on american blacks. Arabs are treating your people like sh*t in their countries....europeans are treating your people like so much filth in their countries. One might see a word of anger here or a word of push back there when its put in their faces on the forum....but then you all quickly pivot and are right back to AAs. Its like you all have a massive tree trunk up your arses about these people...most of whom don't know you from Adam.

Can you tell that i have a healthy respect for AA culture...even as a proud caribbean person.

Again i understand the need to set yourselves apart....please do so.....but know the difference between coming off as a people with pride and sounding like complete fools.

No one here has ever denied that Somalis as a group are deeply flawed, and that we have some serious societal issues we need to fix. But don't you dare imply that our struggles are your struggles. Don't try to categorize me with you based on nothing more than wishful thinking. And Somalis push back against the Arabs on this forum constantly, don't blame us because you haven't been paying attention.

And we are fixated upon the Somalis who imitate the destructive aspects of AA culture, anyone with a basic reading comprehension would be able to understand this. If Somalis didn't imitate it, then we'd have nothing to say about it, as it wouldn't involve us.

[gegiroor]

Just as i thought. You are just another bottom feeding puss. Yes i am from the caribbean...yes i am proud of that...yes we are a wonderful people....yes there are assholes in my group as well....yes i have educated myself about AA history...yes i know the fallacy of regurgitating statistics in a vaccum. Its like saying how come all the beheaders we see in the news today are muslims....its like saying how come all the mental cases blowing themselves to smitherins in different parts of the world today are muslims....and then extrapolate to the conclusion that all muslims are rabid mad dogs. Don't you see how simple you are by just quoting those statistics in a vacuum and then drawing the conclusion that black culture is only about crime and violence.

You are just another bottom feeding puss.

Once someone resorts to insults, that person lost it big time. I would still call you a pos, tough, since that is the only thing describes you, weirdo.

Yes i am from the caribbean...yes i am proud of that...yes we are a wonderful people....yes there are assholes in my group as well

You're indeed one of the assholes. Your presence is SNET proves my point. You're arrogant, disrespectful, provocative, and childish as well.

Its like saying how come all the beheaders we see in the news today are muslims....its like saying how come all the mental cases blowing themselves to smitherins in different parts of the world today are muslims....and then extrapolate to the conclusion that all muslims are rabid mad dogs.

First, there is an FBI report that clearly shows over 90% of terrorism was committed by non-Muslims.

Source: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/ ... -2012.html

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

• • 

• • • Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

• According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Second, the worst terrorism was committed against Muslims when Muslim nations such Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, Libya, and Somalia were killed and millions of their people killed. In Iraq alone, 3.3 million people were killed in the American and UK launched genocide against that defenseless nation between 1990 - 2012. You can read more from the below link, you arrogant, ignorant weirdo:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e39639.htm

Third, majority of the terrorist acts are orchestrated by US, Israel, and UK.

Finally, we (Muslims) have statistics on our side to fight back when Western media and dummies like you run with the false terrorist charges. Ok what statistics do you have on your side to fight back against the over 1 million black men in America's prison population when the population numbers of black Americans are less than 12% of America's population. Gee, you're jumping around and very insecure in your arguments. Learn to hold a line and argue with facts, instead of resorting to insults, jumping from false argument to another, and still thinking you're smarter than everyone else. I am losing my brain cells with you, Get lost, weirdo

[iandi]

No one here has ever denied that Somalis as a group are deeply flawed, and that we have some serious societal issues we need to fix. But don't you dare imply that our struggles are your struggles. Don't try to categorize me with you based on nothing more than wishful thinking. And Somalis push back against the Arabs on this forum constantly, don't blame us because you haven't been paying attention.

And we are fixated upon the Somalis who imitate the destructive aspects of AA culture, anyone with a basic reading comprehension would be able to understand this. If Somalis didn't imitate it, then we'd have nothing to say about it, as it wouldn't involve us.

My friend just about all young people in america and around the world imitate african americans....trust me. But you act as though whatever your young people pick up from AA culture is the reason for all that goes wrong in their lives. Never mind that they or their parents just came from a country devastated by their own people....never mind that they could be carrying all kinds of baggage from those conflicts....never mind that the tribal baggage ingrained in their dna might have a part to play as well...............oh no....its the black americans fault. You need proper perpective. Black Americans are not to blame for troubles that somali yout get into when they come to america or any where else...period. Again you all need proper focus.

[TheMightyNomad]

When you have to answer to illterate self hating idiots .... Sigh! Let me school Yuvun a little bit

Lol, how can I take you seriously when you just proclaimed that Nigerians are the most broke ass people in the US? The average income for a Nigerian in the US is $57,375. You're pretty clearly the embodiment of everything I was talking about. S

First generation nigerians are broke! its a fact educated but broke!
http://rt.com/usa/210607-baltimore-stud ... ia-health/

Poor teens in Baltimore face worse conditions than those in Nigeria - study

global study of adolescents from low-income neighborhoods revealed that teenagers from Baltimore, a city located just 40 miles from the US capital, are faring worse than their counterparts in Nigeria.

Many people tend to associate child poverty with desperate scenes out of Africa or India. But according to a recent WAVE study, an international survey that examined the living conditions of 15-19 year olds in poor areas in Baltimore, Shanghai, Johannesburg, New Delhi and Ibadan (third largest city in Nigeria), the problem is much closer to home than many people realize.

somali entrepreneurship in the US doesn't extend beyond a few corner shops and even these aren't as prevalent as Arab/Korean/Indian/ corner shops. Don't lie to yourself. Somalis are generally poor and on benefits in some state-housings.

I dont lie i provide facts! You provide self hating opinions. Somalis have shopping malls . Big business and dominate more so than the Asians.
Transfering companies tele communications you name it! Self hating piece of shit!


b]Swedes eye Somali success[/b]

A visiting entourage wants to learn from the business acumen of some of Minnesota's enterprising immigrants.

http://www.startribune.com/local/minnea ... 14968.html

Jamal Hashi stood outside the sprawling Karmel Square mall in Minneapolis, surrounded by visitors from Sweden.

They had traveled thousands of miles to learn how he went from struggling refugee to successful restaurateur.

How he opened one restaurant, then another.

How he came up with the perfect recipe to introduce Somalia to the Minnesota State Fair: camel-on-a-stick.

How, the Swedes wondered, can they get in on this?

The commercial success of Minnesota's enterprising Somali community has been noticed in Sweden, which has its own burgeoning Somali population. A delegation of 24 Swedish government and academic officials are in town all week to try to unlock the secrets behind that success and carry them back home.

"It's in our DNA to be entrepreneurial people," said Osman Sahardeed, a native of Somalia who runs a business doing translation. "Since the seventh century, Somalis were dealing with the outside world. They know how to market their skills."

The Swedes' whirlwind tour is hosted by the African Development Center of Minnesota, a nonprofit entity that offers lending and technical help to refugees to start their own businesses.

Seeds of their historic visit were first planted in 2005 when a Swedish professor named Benny Carlson traveled to Minnesota and was struck by the sheer number of booming markets and malls run by Somali-Americans in the Twin Cities.

He vowed to return with a team of government officials to use Minnesota as an example of what can be done in Sweden.

Somalis are changing the economic landscape of minnesota

Lessons from Somali Entrepreneurs
January 16, 2013 by Erin O'Neill

How They Are Transforming the Economic Landscape of Minneapolis

http://thestatelessman.com/2013/01/16/somalia-2/

Minnesota has the highest population of Somali people of any state in the United States, and Minneapolis the most of any city in Minnesota. The Somali community is so concentrated in Minneapolis, that one neighborhood has come to be known as Little Mogadishu, after the capital city of Somalia.

Like any recognized region, what makes Little Mogadishu so renowned isn’t just the sheer number of Somalis in the area, but the wealth of businesses it supports. This area contains two exclusively Somali malls and at least 375 Somali owned businesses—pretty impressive for a population that has only been living in the area for a little over ten years.

So what makes Somalis such successful entrepreneurs?

Various cultural traits unique to Somalis have a significant influence on both their business practices and success as entrepreneurs.

The same U of M survey discovered that the suppliers of products sold at numerous Somali stores were actually other Somali businessmen.

Sometimes in the ferociously competitive business culture of the United States, we often forget that working together and helping other aspiring business owners can actually have a positive effect on our own financial goals. Though loans are at times unavoidable, with a little creativity when it comes to financing we can avoid dooming ourselves to decades of debt.

If current and aspiring business owners took a lesson from the Somalis, everyone would benefit. And if you are looking for suggestions, just stop by Lake Street, Minneapolis. I guarantee a smiling Somali business owner will talk your ear off, try to sell you something, introduce you to other cheery entrepreneurs and become a fast friend.[/b]

Dont come here somalis dominate in businesses in Asia, America , Africa And the middeleast more so then even asians

Again, you expose your ignorance. Somalis are equally despised in Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark. We have all the same problem throughout Europe and America. The only reason our problems aren't clear in our biggest non-Europe/Africa diaspora which is Yemen is because the whole country is flawed therefore no reference points.

No we dont have the same problems you retarded fool! We maybe struggling but we dont have high crime gang culture or AA wannabe crap! All ethnic minority are despised in cadaan countries! You retarded in france the despise arabs in italy and spain the hate vietnamese. In the Uk they hate pakistanis.
T
he rest you added is nonsense! Somalis out preform asians and africans students. Even in middeleast as well! We have sources & refrences you retard

Malaysia: Most Somali students are driven to get an education

KUALA LUMPUR - THERE is a sizeable number of Somalis studying at public universities in Kuala Lumpur, and the number is growing.
Yasir Mohamed Baffo, a tourism graduate of Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM), said Malaysia was a choice destination because it was a moderate Muslim country.

He said there were about 1,500 Somali students studying a range of courses from information technology to management courses, including Islamic finance, business, accounting, economics and international affairs

He said most of the Somali students were enrolled in UUM, Universiti Putra Malaysia, Universiti Malaya, Universiti Teknologi Mara and Universiti Teknologi Malaysia.

"The students are funded by their families in Somalia and those who lived elsewhere," said Yasir, whose father works in the private sector in Saudi Arabia.

We dominate in educational field both in the middeleast asia and africa go look it up!

Also, nice self-selection in the quotes you chose. I guess you didn't like the quote in the original post because it exposes how Somalis don't have any hated towards caadans and don't see themselves as superior.

You ignorant fuck! it wasnt a selection it was written in a colonial book you stupid idiot!

Here's a transcript from Gerald Hanley's book WARRIORS: LIFE AND DEATH AMONG THE SOMALIS. Brittish man who visited #Somalia in the late 19th century/early 20th century. This is his view of the Somalis..

"A #Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong. Islam does wonders for the self respect of non-white people and Christianity is right to worry about the spread of Islam in Africa, and must honestly face the question of why it has happened - "

"Of all the desiccated, bitter, cruel, sunbeaten wildernesses which
starve and thirst beyond the edges of #Africa 's luscious, jungled centre, there cannot be one more Christless than the one which begins at the northern foot of Mount Kenya and stretches to the foothills of Abyssinia, and from there to the dried-out glittering tip of Cape Gardafui where the hot karif winds blow in from where the long sharks race under the thin blue skin of the ocean. You can never think of those wildernesses without thinking of daggers and spears, rolling fierce eyes under mops of dusty black crinkly hair, of mad stubborn camels, rocks too hot to touch, and blood feuds whose origins cannot be remembered, only honoured in the stabbing. But of all the races of Africa there cannot be one better to live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest; the #Somalis ."

"I knew an Italian priest who had spent over thirty years among the
Somalis and he made two converts, and it amazed me that he got even those two. The Prophet has no more fervent, and ignorant, followers, but that is not their fault that they are ignorant.Their natural intelligence is second to none and when the education factories start work among them they should surprise Africa, and themselves."

"I never saw a Somali who showed any fear of death, which, impressive though it sounds, carries within it the chill of pitilessness and ferocity as well. If you have no fear of death you have none for anybody else's either, but that fearlessness has always been essential to the Somalis who have had to try and survive hunger, disease and thirst while prepared to fight and die against their enemies, their fellow Somalis for pleasure in the blood feud, or the Ethiopians who would like to rule them, or the white men who got in the way for a while."

"Everytime a Somali got whipped, an Italian soldier was killed" <---

"Wandering in The Shag (desert) were Somalis with some of the sharpest intelligences in the continent, nomads who had been forced into being parasites of the camel, for centuries, and could anyone ever find a way of using all that courage and intelligence?"

"There is no one alive as tough as the Somali nomad. No one.
An askari wounded in a fight in the Haud country walked 14 miles holding his guts in his hand, was sewn up and lived to soldier again. And the women are as spiritually strong as their men."

"....You get into that way of thinking in the Somali waste. You think
that way because the Somalis bitterly resent the white man, and struggle continually, and admirably, by lies and intrigue, to fight off his
influence which spells the end of their peculiar world. You cannot beat them. They have no inferiority complexes, no wide-eyed worship of the white man's ways, and no fear of him, of his guns or of his official anger. They are a race to be admired, if hard to love."

This is from a colonial book written by the most celebrated colonial writer


here is an extra

This material is from a book written by a British knight diplomat and colonial administrator, Sir Charles Eliot, during the British Empire era and was published 1905. He served Great Britain, in Morocco, Turkey, Russia, Hong Kong, East Africa Protectorate and many other places.

The future of the #Somali race is to my mind one of the most interesting and difficult of the problems presented by East Africa. For the present, I advise that we leave them alone, or at least avoid as far as possible the task of attacking them in their own territory. They are naturally isolated, and, if our officers will only avoid getting killed, can do little harm by quarrelling with one another in Jubaland. Our real task at present is rather to see that they do not encroach to the south, and to prevent them from raiding the Tana River and the Lamu Archipelago. But we can hardly avoid in the future the further task of making a permanent settlement in #Jubaland , and the delimitation of the Abyssinian (meaning stop Somali Region expansion) frontier may perhaps precipitate that settlement.

It is certainly to be desired that we should utilise the Somalis. There can be no doubt that they are the most intelligent race in the Protectorate, though it may be urged with some justice that they are also proud, treacherous, fanatical, and vindictive. Too much stress, I think, is often laid on these bad qualities, and it is certain that the average Englishman has little sympathy for the Somali. He tolerates a black man who admits his inferiority, and even those who show a good fight and give in ; but he cannot tolerate dark colour combined with an intelligence in any way equal to his own. This is the secret of the almost universal dislike of the Babu, and it reappears in the unpopularity of the Somali among East African officials. The Somali are not willing to agree to the simple plan of having a fair fight and then shaking hands when defeated, but constantly indicate that they think themselves our equals or superiors, and not unfrequently prove it. Whenever it is worth our while to occupy Jubaland, and let them see a few hundred white men instead of half-a-dozen officials, which is literally all that they know of us at present, I anticipate that we shall not have much difficulty in getting on with them. The attractions of civilisation are so great for them, and our superiority in this respect so incontestable, that there can hardly be any doubt as to the result. What will happen in the wider limits of Somaliland, north of the Juba, it is hard to predict, but the area to the south is sufficiently small to offer an easy field for the extension of European influence when it is commercially and financially worth while. But meanwhile I think we had better let the #Somalis alone, and avoid these conflicts between a lion and a swallow.

The East Africa Protectorate
by Eliot, Charles Eliot
1905

Written by this guy




Dont come here with ur African american boot clapping self hating ass! Aight! We act no different toward blacks as we do towards whites an arabs!

[iandi]

Finally, we (Muslims) have statistics on our side to fight back when Western media and dummies like you run with the false terrorist charges. Ok what statistics do you have on your side to fight back against the over 1 million black men in America's prison population when the population numbers of black Americans are less than 12% of America's population. Gee, you're jumping around and very insecure in your arguments. Learn to hold a line and argue with facts, instead of resorting to insults, jumping from false argument to another, and still thinking you're smarter than everyone else. I am losing my brain cells with you, Get lost, weirdo

Ok now go find out how many of those black men are in for non-violent drug offenses.....and while you're at it...find out how many are in for three strikes and you're out in california where someone caught for shop-lifting can be put away for years....while you are at that try to find out who are targeted with stop and frisk and how that affects the numbers....while you are at that find out how many poor youths can afford a defense attorney who can argue their cases for them. When you get thru all of that then maybe you will come to understand the fallacy of your ways....maybe....but i won't hold my breathe.

As for the stats on terrorism....perception is a bitch isn't it........the irony!

[Basra-]

Yuvun aka Chelsea

Your Love for the Adoon Gu.s is unmatched. Its almost want to make me a believer of the Adoon Gu.s! I mean, is it that big and good?

[Kaafiye]

No one here has ever denied that Somalis as a group are deeply flawed, and that we have some serious societal issues we need to fix. But don't you dare imply that our struggles are your struggles. Don't try to categorize me with you based on nothing more than wishful thinking. And Somalis push back against the Arabs on this forum constantly, don't blame us because you haven't been paying attention.

And we are fixated upon the Somalis who imitate the destructive aspects of AA culture, anyone with a basic reading comprehension would be able to understand this. If Somalis didn't imitate it, then we'd have nothing to say about it, as it wouldn't involve us.

My friend just about all young people in america and around the world imitate african americans....trust me. But you act as though whatever your young people pick up from AA culture is the reason for all that goes wrong in their lives. Never mind that they or their parents just came from a country devastated by their own people....never mind that they could be carrying all kinds of baggage from those conflicts....never mind that the tribal baggage ingrained in their dna might have a part to play as well...............oh no....its the black americans fault. You need proper perpective. Black Americans are not to blame for troubles that somali yout get into when they come to america or any where else...period. Again you all need proper focus.

I don't know if you're being deliberately illiterate, or whether you're being sincere here. No one could possibly be that dumb. I literally just acknowledged that Somalis as a group are deeply flawed, and we've mounted criticisms against some Somali behavior literally THOUSANDS of times on this forum. Again, you don't pay attention, that's your problem here.

And the Somalis who imitate AA culture are a real problem, anyone with a shred of honesty would admit this. Maybe you're only saying this because you've never even met a Somali in real life, but the Somali boys who are locked up in Canada and the USA are overwhelmingly those who imitate this destructive "gangster" culture. It is a real problem, and these young Somalis have adopted the behavior, the lingo, and even the dress code of a completely foreign people.... based on the misguided notion that they're "Black".

You have absolutely zero perspective.

[TheMightyNomad]

I'm absolutely convinced that this SaciidAyanleh character is that Payitforward87 person on Twitter. I'm convinced that he is.

how do you know? from what i got from twitter is that payitforward87 largely ignores this forum!

[gegiroor]

Finally, we (Muslims) have statistics on our side to fight back when Western media and dummies like you run with the false terrorist charges. Ok what statistics do you have on your side to fight back against the over 1 million black men in America's prison population when the population numbers of black Americans are less than 12% of America's population. Gee, you're jumping around and very insecure in your arguments. Learn to hold a line and argue with facts, instead of resorting to insults, jumping from false argument to another, and still thinking you're smarter than everyone else. I am losing my brain cells with you, Get lost, weirdo

Ok now go find out how many of those black men are in for non-violent drug offenses.....and while you're at it...find out how many are in for three strikes and you're out in california where someone caught for shop-lifting can be put away for years....while you are at that try to find out who are targeted with stop and frisk and how that affects the numbers....while you are at that find out how many poor youths can afford a defense attorney who can argue their cases for them. When you get thru all of that then maybe you will come to understand the fallacy of your ways....maybe....but i won't hold my breathe.

As for the stats on terrorism....perception is a bitch isn't it........the irony!

Ah, you're trying to come up excuses now Bottom line, you have not disputed the statistics. Again, I am adamant that statistics don't lie, and still my challenge stands: Why black Americans who make up 12% of the America's population do make up the overwhelming majority of the prison population? Instead of coming up excuses, challenge the statistics. Break it down, show examples of many men and women who were wrongfully convicted, and explain why would someone would commit the same crime three times?

Again, I still sympathize to those who are unjustly incarcerated.

As for terrorism, smart people know the facts, who cares what people - whose opinions are influenced by media soundbites - think? They are dummies any way, just like you, and they have no influences on real issues. Today over 80% of Americans question the official story of 9/11. That is the mood change in America

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
http://www.globalresearch.ca/scientific ... story/3553

Listen here former Head of CIA Operations Michael Scheuer clashing American politicians about the causes of Muslim grievances:

[Kareem99]

Udun, Kaafiye, and TheMightyNomad, congrats for even acknowledging these fools and being able to carry a discussion with them.

They've been told, time and again by different members of this forum, that our pride in our ancestry, culture, and language is NOT SYNONYMOUS with hatred nor supremacy. It is not my intent to change their thinking: they hate Somalis, perhaps because of some personal negative experiences. But I won't hate their people because of the hate they have for my people. Trinis are such nice and wonderful people, and a Trini bloke who feels compelled to insult Somalis on a SOMALI discussion forum doesn't change my positive experiences with Trinidadians.

The internet today has made the world much smaller resulting in the rest of the world gaining insite into the somali mindset with the click of mouse. In other words the somali attitude the OP speaks about is on display for the entire world to see. Its everywhere online...And it is not a good look. If the goal is to seek to be disliked by as many people as possible then that's fine....stupid......

Come back when Somalis give two fucks about what people think of us. There are white and black supremacist websites, Jewish racists, and all kinds of other bigots from virtually every ethnic group, and (UNLIKE YOU) that will never lead me to make faulty conclusions about the entirety of those aforementioned groups...so what's your beef with Somalis? Honestly, you have no life. You're no different than whites who join black forums to insult them, or Jews who join Christian forums to insult them for kicks, provocation, or who knows what. Mental and psychological pathology at its finest.

PS: if your response to this is more and more insult (predictably), go right ahead if it will make you feel better.

[Bilis]

Terrible analogy. Tutsis and Hutus are both Bantu peoples. They speak a language from the same Bantu family, practice the same Bantu culture, and are genetically and phenotypically closely related to each other.

On the other hand, Somalis and other Horners have no such relations with Bantu/Nilotic populations. Our actual nearest relatives in Africa are other Afro-Asiatic-speaking groups in the North. Pointing this out to the clueless is not hating; it is fact:




That said, gaalos have the right to respect, like anyone else. What they don't have a right to is to demand that the average proud Somali exchange his/her own Puntite ancestors for some fake new ajnabi identity, whether jareer or cadaan. Respect goes both ways.