Somali Medieval rulers and Elites of India

[WaaliCas]

PS:
WAalicas that is a picture of xabashi slave entertainer and not muslim sufi ruler of india and i dont see any ethiopian pop corn or jebbena whatever that is.

nagast were given to ethiopian slaves and the elites were called Sayyids or siddis and they were all muslim sufis. Sayyid is aristocratic elite title worn by somalis and many of these sufi rulers were great poets. Ask urself how contradicting it when and ethiopian xabashi from metplanc research intstitute finds somali clan names and not ethiopian and how all the elite rulers were muslim? How can a 100% jewish christian state of abyssinia produce muslim sufis? ask urself why would they call ethiopian slave elite sayyids which means master or saint?
The answer is becuz the rulers were somali and the slaves were simply bantu and xabashi that had no great statuts

spare me that other crap ok i displayed facts and evidence well documented that somalis interacted with and traded indians for centuries before colonialist came!

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You're contradicting yourself endlessly and to be frank I can't even follow you. You claim "Indians didn't know the difference in Africans' hence all Africans were "Habeshi" yet you wanna claim "Nagast" was slave titled reserved only for "Xabashi" slaves. Talk about contradiction at it's best.

If they knew Nagast, they also knew Ethiopia/Habesha.

Ethiopians came as slave and rose to the highest of rulers.

In terms of your last question again-----it shows how shallow you are. You think because Ethiopia was majority Christian----it had no chance of producing Suufi clerics. You are just too much. You need to read more and stop injecting emotions in every topic. Learn things as they are not to boost your empty ego.

Today there are over 35 million Muslims in Ethiopia and Somalia does not even have 10 million. That itself speaks for itself and today Ethiopia not only has more mosques, Islamic materials and Sheikhs than Somalia. Same way Ethiopia was able to produce more than Somalia in present time, her producing more suufis at the time is in her odds.

All the Sufis in Somalia honor Ethiopian sufi saints such as Aw-Barkhadle and Abdulqadir Jaylani (even though many sufi groups believe he was an Iraqi, many sufis in Ethiopia and Somalia believe he was from Harar). They are both from Harar.

Take a break from screen shots son.

[mahoka]

Not a single intellectually curious person in this thread only inferiority ridden mongrels. Just know that our great sufi muslim ancestors who ruled india in medieval time are cursing at you guys.

i displayed facts from sources books, directly from medieval historians and even videos. im done! believe what you want to believe but at least bring some reasonable arguments or sourced facts!

[TheMightyNomad]

PS:
WAalicas that is a picture of xabashi slave entertainer and not muslim sufi ruler of india and i dont see any ethiopian pop corn or jebbena whatever that is.

nagast were given to ethiopian slaves and the elites were called Sayyids or siddis and they were all muslim sufis. Sayyid is aristocratic elite title worn by somalis and many of these sufi rulers were great poets. Ask urself how contradicting it when and ethiopian xabashi from metplanc research intstitute finds somali clan names and not ethiopian and how all the elite rulers were muslim? How can a 100% jewish christian state of abyssinia produce muslim sufis? ask urself why would they call ethiopian slave elite sayyids which means master or saint?
The answer is becuz the rulers were somali and the slaves were simply bantu and xabashi that had no great statuts

spare me that other crap ok i displayed facts and evidence well documented that somalis interacted with and traded indians for centuries before colonialist came!

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You're contradicting yourself endlessly and to be frank I can't even follow you. You claim "Indians didn't know the difference in Africans' hence all Africans were "Habeshi" yet you wanna claim "Nagast" was slave titled reserved only for "Xabashi" slaves. Talk about contradiction at it's best.


If they knew Nagast, they also knew Ethiopia/Habesha.

Ethiopians came as slave and rose to the highest of rulers.

All right you xabashi bootyclapper i will qarbash you!. African= habshi meaning everyone regardless from the african continent. Nagast is ethiopian and not even used to describe the elite rulers Since they were called Sayyid and ufi muslim

In terms of your last question again-----it shows how shallow you are. You think because Ethiopia was majority Christian----it had no chance of producing Suufi clerics. You are just too much. You need to read more and stop injecting emotions in every topic. Learn things as they are not to boost your empty ego.

Now ur showing ur incomptence and flat out bias modern day ethiopia didnt exist in during the medieval period and the abyssinian empire aka xabash empire was indeed 100% christian and jewish. I dont want ur opinions show me facts with sources.

Sufism during the 13-14 century existed only in somalia and sufism was first practiced in somalia during the 8th century and came to sudan 16 century probably after ibn mujahid conquest after ahmed gureys death.

Today there are over 35 million Muslims in Ethiopia and Somalia does not even have 10 million. That itself speaks for itself and today Ethiopia not only has more mosques, Islamic materials and Sheikhs than Somalia. Same way Ethiopia was able to produce more than Somalia in present time, her producing more suufis at the time is in her odds.

Ethiopia? it did not exist in medieval time! The only muslims in the horn were Afar ,Somali and Beja . Abyssinia was a 100% chrisitan & jewish state.

All the Sufis in Somalia honor Ethiopian sufi saints such as Aw-Barkhadle and Abdulqadir Jaylani. They are both from Harar.

Guess what they were both somalis along with ibn nuur mujahid. i guess you forgot that somalis ruled and inhabited majority of harrar, but please explain when harrar became xabashi? You keep mentioning ethiopia like that fake colonial state exised in medieval time.

You even forget that harrar was ruled and founded by somalis. What xabashi licking imbecile you are

and that instrument is not primarily even ethiopian based



it has even been used by somalis
http://www.noloshacusub.net/audio/music/default.aspx

are you that of a ignorant twat that you dont know about somali culture to see that the guy in the painting plays something called shareero


Shareero is a somali cultural instrument played in the south

you can even see this somali guy use it
click the link
http://www.archiviosomalia.it/imgimm/06.jpg

Shareero the somali cultural instrument we play looks more like the painting than that ugly habash thing you showed



No mention of nagaste only Sayyids so bug off! a somali aristocratic title for muslim sufi saints.

[WaaliCas]

TheNomad,

Control your glucose I know you're feeling the heat. I want you to learn things but you try to take screen shots of things you have no idea just to boast and boost ego when they are not in any shape doing that in fact.

Your contradictory is there for all to see and hence why so many users rejected your childish claims. Habeshi is Habesha and Nagast is like the right hand of Habesha.

You can't argue one minute Indians didn't know the difference in Africans hence were all Habeshi yet claim Nagast was reserved only for "Ethiopian slaves". Do you even know how ridiculous you sound and yet you wanna argue endlessly.

My friend this topic is yet another bust. If you come in here with weak claims you gonna get destroyed.

The shareero is Bantu music and was introduced to southern Somalia by Bantus in the 17th century via Oman Sultanate. The Bantus adopted the instruments from Ethiopia via Uganda. Read about Ugandan lyre son. That's the mother of all Bantu lyre including shareero. Again another contradiction from you trying to pass shareero the music of Bantu as "Somali" when you were just rejecting Bantus. In Ethiopia, the instrument came with Christianity.

The Somalis in India left northern Somalia and never saw shareero.

Sayyid is no Somali autocrat title. Somalis never had autocracy. Sayyid was an Islamic title used to identify the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib (Allawids). Basic knowledge kiddo.

Harar was always inhabited by the Adaris (Harari people) and they are not Somalis. Nur ibn Mujahid's ethnic is unknown except that he was Muslim. Same as Ahmed Gurey.

The Adari people are Habesha people. They are related to the Amhara, Tigrai, Gurage and Irobba people. They are Afro-Semitic people.

Now go do some inhaling and exhaling to bring your blood pressure down.

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[theyuusuf143]

I really regret even posting this in the first place! had i realized that this place was filled with inferiority ridden imbeciles.
I cannot fathom such denial when you are approached with facts. Our ancestors didnt die in order for us to deny & down play theyre achievements

Dont be disapointed as theyuusuf i have a respect for you. Ladies and gentlemen please give Themightynomad a big standing ovation

[Yuvun]

Lol, nice to see everyone calling this dude out. Lets stick to the historical facts that are undeniable (Ajuran, Adal etc) and be proud of this but lets not start buying into these delusions. There's not much historical research about this, for the time being it's mainly speculation so lets just wait and see in the future what comes out of it.

Funnily enough, you're starting to sound like those African-American hotep dudes who engage in all these historical revisionism about moors and ancient Egypt and shit.

[Bilis]

Not a single intellectually curious person in this thread only inferiority ridden mongrels. Just know that our great sufi muslim ancestors who ruled india in medieval time are cursing at you guys.

i displayed facts from sources books, directly from medieval historians and even videos. im done! believe what you want to believe but at least bring some reasonable arguments or sourced facts!

It's true sxb, Somalis really had nothing to do with the whole Siddi/Habshi slave trade in the Indian subcontinent. That involved Bantus, as confirmed by the genetics of their descendants there.

The medieval Somali sultanates instead maintained commercial trade with other kingdoms in that area and elsewhere. This trade by the Adal, Ajuran, Mogadishu, Warsangali, Majeerteen, Obbia and Dervish sultanates was principally with other Muslim polities in the Arabian peninsula and further afield.

As you indicated, early Somalis had actual nomadic kingdoms. This may perhaps be an unusual concept for those only accustomed to binary feudalism. It doesn't really matter, though, because it is explicitly indicated in the Periplus as well as the later medieval records kept by the sultanates.

We should indeed be careful, though, not to claim that which isn't demonstrably our own Somali people's heritage. It's not like the Land of Punt, where we now have actual ancient artifacts to show for it.

Few people here are as knowledgeable as you are, so you have to be patient with them. Don't be discouraged by the "femininity" talk. Wa kaftan for the most part -- many don't even know that nasal breadths, lengths, etc. are standard anthropometric measurements.

At the end of the day, we all have the same Somali ancestors anyway; so it's all for their own good whether they realize it or not.

[TheMightyNomad]

TheNomad,

Control your glucose I know you're feeling the heat. I want you to learn things but you try to take screen shots of things you have no idea just to boast and boost ego when they are not in any shape doing that in fact.

You f-king nutt screen shot of what? i posted the books i took it from right underneath and what ego? me doing research and presenting my research is ego? They are in fact especially when you cannot even dispute it with reasonable argument or evidence from sources or books just xabashi asslicking opinions.

Your contradictory is there for all to see and hence why so many users rejected your childish claims. Habeshi is Habesha and Nagast is like the right hand of Habesha.

You can't argue one minute Indians didn't know the difference in Africans hence were all Habeshi yet claim Nagast was reserved only for "Ethiopian slaves". Do you even know how ridiculous you sound and yet you wanna argue endlessly.

i do not know if they were nagast or that nonsense you brought up urself They called the elites sayyids and they called every african habshi not habashi. The guy in the video was even aske that question by the reporter at 43:20 and he said an ethiopian collegue of his found somali clan names. Now why would they find somali clan names if the rulers & elites were Habashis?

You argue that aw barkhardle was habashi sufi and harrar was xabashi lands and then you argue that abyssinia the 100% christian jewish empire produced muslims sufis even tho sufism didnt come to sudan until 16century and afar & somalis on the horn from 8th century up.

How much xabashi ceeb did you choke on?

My friend this topic is yet another bust. If you come in here with weak claims you gonna get destroyed.

The shareero is Bantu music and was introduced to southern Somalia by Bantus in the 17th century via Oman Sultanate. The Bantus adopted the instruments from Ethiopia via Uganda. Read about Ugandan lyre son. That's the mother of all Bantu lyre including shareero.

nonsense the ones somali us are of a different varient and used since ancient times to expel demons & evil spirits. the ones bantu us are called kinthara and way different.



Historical Dictionary of Somalia
Av Mohamed Haji Mukhtar

Source for the text
https://books.google.no/books?id=DPwOsO ... li&f=false

[TheMightyNomad]

Not a single intellectually curious person in this thread only inferiority ridden mongrels. Just know that our great sufi muslim ancestors who ruled india in medieval time are cursing at you guys.

i displayed facts from sources books, directly from medieval historians and even videos. im done! believe what you want to believe but at least bring some reasonable arguments or sourced facts!

It's true sxb, Somalis really had nothing to do with the whole Siddi/Habshi slave trade in the Indian subcontinent. That involved Bantus, as confirmed by the genetics of their descendants there.

The medieval Somali sultanates instead maintained commercial trade with other kingdoms in that area and elsewhere. This trade by the Adal, Ajuran, Mogadishu, Warsangali, Majeerteen, Obbia and Dervish sultanates was principally with other Muslim polities in the Arabian peninsula and further afield.

After somali king ahmed gurey and his somali army defeated abyssinia and conquered it.
Somalis enslaved thousands of habashis and shipped them to india.

in the book Slaves and Slavery in Muslim Africa: The servile estate
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=sa ... es&f=false



it is all on record of somalis shipping habeshi slaves from the ports of adal into arabia and india.

[TheMightyNomad]

Sayyid is no Somali autocrat title. Somalis never had autocracy. Sayyid was an Islamic title used to identify the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib (Allawids). Basic knowledge kiddo.

Sayyid is holy title worn by somalis and the history of it as well is known it means saint , master and overlord. Yet many somalis claim descent fromt he prophet and you question it even our freedom fighter sayyid abdille hassan wore it and many somali sultanates of ajuuran and adal. You lack basic knowledge about somali history just to choked about habesha filthy meat eater history

Harar was always inhabited by the Adaris (Harari people) and they are not Somalis. Nur ibn Mujahid's ethnic is unknown except that he was Muslim. Same as Ahmed Gurey.

ibn mujahid was recorded and written down on futah al habahs as merahen darood. come on now everybody knows that its indesputable.
Aw barkhadle was a somali founder of harrar. The somalis also made up 90% of adal army and even ahmed gureys wife was batti del wambara was a somali recorded in the Futah Al-habash. The only one in question is ahmed gurey but seeing that he was surrounded by somali is why historians regard him as a somali plus he retired amongst somalis.

Nur ibn Mujahid ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abdullah al Dhuhi Suha (literally ‘the morning star’), of the Ahl Suhawyan clan of the Somali tribe of Marehan, Darod group, was a notable Emir of Harar in the 16th century. Marrying the Widow of Ahmad Ibn Ibrahim (q.v.), or Gran, he also succeeded him as leader of the Muslim forces of fighting Christian Ethiopia.

Considered the patron saint of Harar, he was called the Sahib al-Fath at-Thani, or Master of the Second Conquest. When Ahmed ibn Ibrahim, the leader of the Muslim expansion into Ethiopia which began in 1527, was killed in 1543, the Muslim forces fell back in confusion upon Harar. Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Gran’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wanbara (q.v.), and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Named Emir in about 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces, and construction the wall which still surrounds the city.

In 1554-55, Nur departed on a Jihad, or Holy War, in the eastern Ethiopian lowlands of Charchar, Arusi, and Hadeya. In 1559, he invaded Fatajar, where he fought against the Ethiopian emperor Galawdewos (q.v.) [reigned 1540-59], and killed him. Nur kept fighting for 12 years untill, according to legend, at Gibe he said “Kaffa!”, or “Enough!”, and returned to Harar. The province is called Kaffa to this day.

During Nur’s absence, Harar witnessed internal power struggles, and the unlucky city was disturbed by encroaching Galla tribes (i.e. Oromo tribes). By 1567, repeated Galla raids had brought famine to the city. Nur left the city in 1568 for a punitive raid against the Galla. On his return he found a plague raging in Harar, and he himself died of typhus.

Contemporaries described Nur as a man of noble conduct, who was just, strong, and highly principled. He was noted for the buildings he erected in Harar, and for protecting its inhabitants from invaders. His tomb stands on a hill surrounded by houses and courtyards, and is popular place of pilgrimage in Harar.

http://s166.photobucket.com/user/Warsam ... d.jpg.html
Bibliography:

1. R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”), Paris, 1897-1901;

2. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Documenti arabi per la storia dell’Ethiopia,” Memoria della Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Vol. 4, No. 2, Rome, 1931

3. Dr. E. Cerulli, La lingua e la storia di Harar (“The Language and History of Harar”), Rome, 1936

4. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Gli Emiri di Harar dal secolo XVI alla conquista agiziana” (“The Mirs of Harar From the 16th Century to the Egyptian Conquest”),

5. Dr. E. Cerulli, Rassegna di Studi Ethiopici, Vol. 2, Rome, 1942

6. Hadj Yusuf AbdulRahman (editor), Kitab Rabi’a al-Qulub fi Dhikr Manaqib wa Fada’il Sayyidina as Sheikh Nur Hussein (“The Springtime of Hearts in Memory of the Virtues and Merits of Our Lord the Sheikh Nur Hussein”), Cairo, 1927

7. J. Spencer Trimingham, Islam in Ethiopia, London, 1952

8. K. Wndt, “Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar in XVI Jahrhundert,” (“An Ahmhari History of One of the Emirs of 16th Century of Harar”), Orientalia, Vol. 6, No. ¾, Rome, 1937

The Adari people are Habesha people. They are related to the Amhara, Tigrai, Gurage and Irobba people. They are Afro-Semitic people.

Now go do some inhaling and exhaling to bring your blood pressure down.

Who cares about adari, somalis ruled and governed adal & were the majority inhabitance according to futah al habash. adari played a minor role. plus there is no fact or sources linking them to abyssinia or habeshis.

[WaaliCas]

And the madness continues...now Nur ibn Mujaahid is Marehaan


This kid is vomiting all over the place from Ancient Egypt, Morocco's Moor, India's Pashto to Ethiopian elites...wax kastu so sheegtay to Arab medieval Saints.

This is too much. All in a single post.

Talk about insecurities and inferiority complex.

Nur ibn Mujahid was an Arab jihadist who came to the Somali Peninsula to fight the Ethiopian highlanders same way hundreds of foreigners are flooding into Syria and Iraq today. Ahmed Gurey was also an Arab.

Shareero are Bantus and looks like you don't know the definition of agrarian (agriculturalist people or farmers Somalis are not, they are pastoralist) and inter-riverine is term used to describe Bantus.

These Bantus were brought to southern Somalia by the Omani slave traders of Zanzibar in the late 17th century. The bulk of them came in the 18th century and once the British abolished slave trade, they remained and so did their music and arts. Somalis never saw shareero in pre-Siad Barre (I meant) let alone what you want to argue. It was Barre who brought them out and tried to develop different communities.

This kid has a combination of arrogance and lack of knowledge and those two ingredients are disaster hence why he is chasing his own tail and trying to satisfy his ego with screen shots. These are basic knowledge one does not need screen shots.



Never seen anyone that makes so many fatal mistakes and ridiculous claims all in one single post on Somalinet's history.

[TheMightyNomad]

Lol, nice to see everyone calling this dude out. Lets stick to the historical facts that are undeniable (Ajuran, Adal etc) and be proud of this but lets not start buying into these delusions. There's not much historical research about this, for the time being it's mainly speculation so lets just wait and see in the future what comes out of it.

Funnily enough, you're starting to sound like those African-American hotep dudes who engage in all these historical revisionism about moors and ancient Egypt and shit.

OMG!! I cannot comprehend this. How are these delusions and speculations when they are written by the very same medieval historians during 13-14th century?

You guys act like i made a blatant claim when i didnt even write down what i presented!

ITS f-king WRITTEN BY MEDIEVAL HISTORIANS!! EVEN HAVE A GUY WHO WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. The hotep people are nuttjobs looking for white mans approval, i am nothing like them. i could give my left nutt sack to egypt even tho they are related to Afar and somalis.

When i tell you people from adal & ajuuran went to india and became elite how is it not me being proud of theyre achievements? Delusions my ass!!

i cant understand how showing writen text sources and phd professor from metplank institute who wrote a book about medieval african rulers of india accuates to me being delusional.

There is alot of historical research even displayed by that professor right there all im doing is connecting dots by the info we already have.
if we wait i guarantee that everyone here kiss my ass after words apologizing.

[TheMightyNomad]

And the madness continues...now Nur ibn Mujaahid is Marehaan


This kid is vomiting all over the place from Ancient Egypt, Morocco's Moor, India's Pashto to Ethiopian elites...wax kastu so sheegtay to Arab medieval Saints.

This is too much. All in a single post.

Talk about insecurities and inferiority complex.

Who even spoke about egypt? and moors was something the europeans use to describe ever muslim person regardless of origins. you act like i was the very same portugese explorer calling somalis moors. Arab medieval saints my butts you are an inferiority ridden mongrel and a Xabashi ass kisser like youre opinions are worth anything.

Nur ibn Mujahid was an Arab jihadist who came to the Somali Peninsula to fight the Ethiopian highlanders same way hundreds of foreigners are flooding into Syria and Iraq today. Ahmed Gurey was also an Arab.

do you know what that statement lacks like all ur other posts? A source and text the only thing i hear from you is opinions. in Futah AL habash is states night and day that he is merahan darod. i showed a source from it and even refrences. You keep ur fairy tales to urself.

Shareero are Bantus and looks like you don't know the definition of agrarian (agriculturalist people or farmers Somalis are not, they are pastoralist) and inter-riverine is term used to describe Bantus.

These Bantus were brought to southern Somalia by the Omani slave traders of Zanzibar in the late 17th century. The bulk of them came in the 18th century and once the British abolished slave trade, they remained and so did their music and arts. Somalis never saw shareero in post Siad Barre let alone what you want to argue. It was Barre who brought them out and tried to develop different communities.

This kid has a combination of arrogance and lack of knowledge and those two ingredients are disaster hence why he is chasing his own tail and trying to satisfy his ego with screen shots. These are basic knowledge one does not need screen shots.

Shareero is somali instrument brought and a wider nomadic instrument used by afar & as well as beja. Your head is empty with information only stupid fairy tales and opinions that lack sources coming from ur habashi raw meat scrotum.



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NO screen shots check every text i layd out from the very books themselves

Source:
Encyclopaedia Aethiopica: He-N
https://books.google.no/books?id=l4WUdK ... li&f=false

is an indegenous somali instrument widely played by all pastorials in the horn. Assimilated Bantus probably copied it cuz somali lyre is very distinct & ancient .
YOu keep complaining about pieces of text even tho i dsiplayed the books sources i got them from. You havent never disputed with facts only habesha biased opinions.

i have never seen such incompetent blatant ignorant most undignifying habashi ass kissing somali ever! YOur a failure. Totall utter disregard for somali history & culture just sheer lack of knowledge & ignorance and bunch of habashi supremacist nonsense you spew with nothing backing it up. Hence why trying to satisfy ur habeshi masters with ur blatant denial and habeshi ego massaging go back to mereja .com this is somali forum.

[WaaliCas]

That's Ethiopian krar and the source you quoted yourself says it clearly. The Amharic term for Krar is there too hence K. may derive from Amh....also again you are just going in no direction and have no idea what you are talking about. You just made complete u-turn and shot yourself in the foot by posting what I have been saying all along.

That is the Krar and that's Amharic...Marar, bega is also Amharic meaning enough.

Damn this kid is the most ignorant this site has ever seen. Keeps going around in circle only to contradict himself again and again.

No need to use bold fonts. That will not hide your ignorance only highlight it further.

[TheMightyNomad]

That's Ethiopian krar and the source you quoted yourself says it clearly. The Amharic term for Krar is there too hence K. may derive from Amh....also again you are just going in no direction and have no idea what you are talking about. You just made complete u-turn and shot yourself in the foot by posting what I have been saying all along.

That is the Krar and that's Amharic...Marar, bega is also Amharic meaning enough.

Can you even read? are you litterate at all you habasha guus choking fuck!

it said similar to karar! it didnt say it was karar you idiot. it is called basinkoob by beja & afar



It is called basinkoob by somalis in ethiopia as well as afars and beja. its is a pastoral instrument.

YOU CANNOT EVEN READ!! WHAT AN IDIOT CANT EVEN READ

How can you argue with me when you dont know ur ABC's? f-king habashi illiterate failure you show your wider stupidity and incompetence when you cannot even display the basic reading comprehension.

Just give up and go back to http://WWW.MEREJA.COM and take all ur anti somali land roving friends with you.