Christian woman loses her mind over gay marriage

[SaciidAyanleh]

I just get pissed off at the cognitive dissonance that arises when people believe they have to accept everything in Islam, so they begin to apologize for and diminish the REALITY of the legality of slavery and slave rape.

In fact, it's quite ironic, Kaafiye and Sheikh Kamal have views that are in direct opposition to the salaf. I guess they know better, but I wouldn't dare call them non-Muslims.

[gegiroor]

I'm not trying to imply anything, your double-talk aint slick

Women's rights ≠ Gender equality

and everyone knows slavery is halal, so quit trying to haram what is halal

Your claim to being a Muslim and then putting out stuff like this shows to me your depraved and manipulative nature. And then you have the nerve to call me a "Takfiri" when I sincerely question your motives.

Slavery as you think of it is not allowed in Islam. With the exception of the capturing of and trading prisoners of war, then it is not allowed. There is ample legal evidence proving this. But you want to manipulate readers and blatantly lie about Deen.

And now you wonder why I and other Muslims on this forum hold you with complete contempt

Oh, no! Kaafiye thinks I'm not a Muslim, kee baa i badbaadi!?

How come the slave trade flourished--under Sharia of all things--for a millenia and half? Post any mainstream Islamic scholar pre-1960, denouncing the practice of slavery?

Kaafiye, I'm not trying to have this debate...for you to say slavery is haram is kafirnimo. I don't care for any technicalities, the practice of owning another individual and their offspring is wrong regardless of how you spin it.

Slavery is haram in Islam. Read these verses in the Noble Quran:

"It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. (The Noble Quran, 2:177)"

"And never is it for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake. And whoever kills a believer by mistake - then the freeing of a believing slave and a compensation payment presented to the deceased's family [is required] unless they give [up their right as] charity. But if the deceased was from a people at war with you and he was a believer - then [only] the freeing of a believing slave; and if he was from a people with whom you have a treaty - then a compensation payment presented to his family and the freeing of a believing slave. And whoever does not find [one or cannot afford to buy one] - then [instead], a fast for two months consecutively, [seeking] acceptance of repentance from Allah . And Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. " (The Noble Quran 4:92)

Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful. (The Noble Quran 5:89)

"And if any of your slaves ask you for a deed in writing (for emancipation) give them such a deed; If ye knew any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you…" (Noble Quran 24:33)

The Qur'an unambiguously states that no man no matter how high a status he may occupy, be that status of a direct recipient of Divine messages even (Nabuwah), no human being has the right to enslave any other human or group of humans, says the Qur’an:

"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and 'Nabuwah' (prophethood), then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance providers (Rabaniyoon) because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."(Noble Quran 3:79)

The above clarifies the basic teaching of the Qur'an in stating that obedience is not due to any human or group of humans’ man made laws but according to the Quran, obedience and subservience is due to Allah alone, which is implemented in human affairs by following his Book (see 6:114) and instances where man subjects man, are described in the Quran as a great injustice. (Ref: Narration of enslavement of Children of Israel by Pharoah and his forces.)

From above and many other verses it is very clear that the Qur'an has abolished slavery, and not upheld it. If their remain certain verses were slaves are mentioned then these are those which were already existing in society from days of ignorance and about whom the Qur’an enjoined a gradual elevation in status leading to their freedom and abolishment of any future enslavement.

Furthermore it is the Quran which is the final authority for all matter of Islam and its verdict is final and absolute. No other Book carries more weight or reliability than the Quran in matters of Islam.

SaciidAyaanle, next time check your facts before you made such a false and a broad statement. In conclusion, Kaafiye is right that Islam has eradicated Slavery gradually.

[gegiroor]

Besides, how can a homo loving guy like SaciidAyaanle talk about Islam? This fells loves homos to the point where he is preaching it here, and yet he has the audacity to talk about our deen. What did the world come down to?

[SaciidAyanleh]

Please bold/enlarge where it says slavery is forbidden/haram.

[gegiroor]

The Qur'an unambiguously states that no man no matter how high a status he may occupy, be that status of a direct recipient of Divine messages even (Nabuwah), no human being has the right to enslave any other human or group of humans, says the Qur’an:

"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and 'Nabuwah' (prophethood), then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance providers (Rabaniyoon) because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."(Noble Quran 3:79)

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

^^ stop calling bro kamal names xayawaan-yahow, can you not make ur points without insult the sheikh?

Ok, fair point. I apologize.

I have nothing against him, but I do strongly disagree with his useless video. He made the dubious claim that "Islam seeks to gradually abolish slavery," which can be found in neither hadith nor fiqh. I think that is dangerous in and of itself and deserves reproach.

good, you can disagree with him all you want, just refrain insulting shuyuukhs/ulema.

but why do you disagree with him? he said there were 4 different scenario that one could become a slave before islam and only one after islam doesnt that mean islam eradicated the other 3?

[gegiroor]

Ending Slavery and Human Right's in Islam.

http://www.onislam.net/english/reading- ... art-2.html

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav4.htm

[SaciidAyanleh]

^^ stop calling bro kamal names xayawaan-yahow, can you not make ur points without insult the sheikh?

Ok, fair point. I apologize.

I have nothing against him, but I do strongly disagree with his useless video. He made the dubious claim that "Islam seeks to gradually abolish slavery," which can be found in neither hadith nor fiqh. I think that is dangerous in and of itself and deserves reproach.

good, you can disagree with him all you want, just refrain insulting shuyuukhs/ulema.

but why do you disagree with him? he said there were 4 different scenario that one could become a slave before islam and only one after islam doesnt that mean islam eradicated the other 3?

Sure, but does that mean slavery altogether was abolished? No.

One thing the Sheikh knowingly doesn't touch on is hereditary slavery. Are the children of slaves born free? If not, slavery would never be eradicated. If yes, provide proof of your claim that I know to be false.

[Kaafiye]

I just get pissed off at the cognitive dissonance that arises when people believe they have to accept everything in Islam, so they begin to apologize for and diminish the REALITY of the legality of slavery and slave rape.

In fact, it's quite ironic, Kaafiye and Sheikh Kamal have views that are in direct opposition to the salaf. I guess they know better, but I wouldn't dare call them non-Muslims.

Bullshit. If anything, you falsely claimed that Islam condones this practice and then you turned around and said that this practice is immoral and evil. So in essence you are claiming that you know better than God, and that your values are superior to those instituted by our Creator.

So not only did you lie about Islam. You then have the nerve to say that you know better than our Creator.

And you wonder why I call you a non-Muslim. Now watch as DR-YALAXOOW and Lamagoodle rush into this topic while calling me a "Takfiri"....although I'm stating what's obvious.

Islam is explicit in the stance that anyone who rejects Allah's Guidance is undoubtedly a Kaafir and cannot be considered a Muslim.

I'm not gonna get into this discussion with you. You are literally one of the lowest of Allah's creatures you worthless shit stain.

[Kaafiye]

Ending Slavery and Human Right's in Islam.

http://www.onislam.net/english/reading- ... art-2.html

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav4.htm

Bro. Do not validate this guy's arguments please. He's seeking to rile you up and force us to be defensive regarding our Deen. Before you say anything, let's ask SaciidAyanleh if he is actually a Muslim.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

good, you can disagree with him all you want, just refrain insulting shuyuukhs/ulema.

but why do you disagree with him? he said there were 4 different scenario that one could become a slave before islam and only one after islam doesnt that mean islam eradicated the other 3?

Sure, but does that mean slavery altogether was abolished? No.

One thing the Sheikh knowingly doesn't touch on is hereditary slavery. Are the children of slaves born free? If not, slavery would never be eradicated. If yes, provide proof of your claim that I know to be false.

also is't true that you promote homosexuality? i understand if you are "lakum diina kum" but do you know its absolutely haram in islam right? you do know allah destroyed an entire qowm bcz of it right? why how about you just denounce it and stop defending them?

[gegiroor]

Your claim to being a Muslim and then putting out stuff like this shows to me your depraved and manipulative nature. And then you have the nerve to call me a "Takfiri" when I sincerely question your motives.

Slavery as you think of it is not allowed in Islam. With the exception of the capturing of and trading prisoners of war, then it is not allowed. There is ample legal evidence proving this. But you want to manipulate readers and blatantly lie about Deen.

And now you wonder why I and other Muslims on this forum hold you with complete contempt

Oh, no! Kaafiye thinks I'm not a Muslim, kee baa i badbaadi!?

How come the slave trade flourished--under Sharia of all things--for a millenia and half? Post any mainstream Islamic scholar pre-1960, denouncing the practice of slavery?

Kaafiye, I'm not trying to have this debate...for you to say slavery is haram is kafirnimo. I don't care for any technicalities, the practice of owning another individual and their offspring is wrong regardless of how you spin it.

You're literally just repeating yourself. You just had the nerve to make lies about Islam and then you say "Islam is wrong" and now you have the nerve to pass yourself off as a Muslim. You claiming that secular man-made laws are superior to Allah's Law is undoubtedly kufr. And then I get bashed on this forum as a "Takfiri" for pointing out the obvious.



I'm not having this debate with you right now. You're an absolutely disgusting human being

One of the freed slaves during the liberation of Mecca was the man who killed Hamza Bin Abdulmuttalib, the uncle of the Prophet, in the battle of Uhud. His name was Wahshi ibn Harb. This slave man at the time was working for Jubayr ibn Mut'im whose uncle was killed in the battle of Badr. Here you have Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) freeing the man who killed his uncle after he was killed in battle.

[gegiroor]

Ending Slavery and Human Right's in Islam.

http://www.onislam.net/english/reading- ... art-2.html

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav4.htm

Bro. Do not validate this guy's arguments please. He's seeking to rile you up and force us to be defensive regarding our Deen. Before you say anything, let's ask SaciidAyanleh if he is actually a Muslim.

Point well-taken, Kaafiye.

[Kaafiye]

good, you can disagree with him all you want, just refrain insulting shuyuukhs/ulema.

but why do you disagree with him? he said there were 4 different scenario that one could become a slave before islam and only one after islam doesnt that mean islam eradicated the other 3?

Sure, but does that mean slavery altogether was abolished? No.

One thing the Sheikh knowingly doesn't touch on is hereditary slavery. Are the children of slaves born free? If not, slavery would never be eradicated. If yes, provide proof of your claim that I know to be false.

also is't true that you promote homosexuality? i understand if you are "lakum diina kum" but do you know its absolutely haram in islam right? you do know allah destroyed an entire qowm bcz of it right? why how about you just denounce it and stop defending them?

He can't. SaciidAyanleh is one of those Atheistic Afrocentric clowns that SonofaNomad talks about here on Somalinet. He's literally no different than those Twitter characters such as @Payitforward87 and @lunarnomad

They're one in the same and they are equally worthless.

Wallahi they are the lowest of God's creatures.

[SaciidAyanleh]

I just get pissed off at the cognitive dissonance that arises when people believe they have to accept everything in Islam, so they begin to apologize for and diminish the REALITY of the legality of slavery and slave rape.

In fact, it's quite ironic, Kaafiye and Sheikh Kamal have views that are in direct opposition to the salaf. I guess they know better, but I wouldn't dare call them non-Muslims.

Bullshit. If anything, you falsely claimed that Islam condones this practice and then you turned around and said that this practice is immoral and evil. So in essence you are claiming that you know better than God, and that your values are superior to those instituted by our Creator.

So not only did you lie about Islam. You then have the nerve to say that you know better than our Creator.

And you wonder why I call you a non-Muslim. Now watch as DR-YALAXOOW and Lamagoodle rush into this topic while calling me a "Takfiri"....although I'm stating what's obvious.

Islam is explicit in the stance that anyone who rejects Allah's Guidance is undoubtedly a Kaafir and cannot be considered a Muslim.

I'm not gonna get into this discussion with you. You are literally one of the lowest of Allah's creatures you worthless shit stain.

Leave it to Kaafiye to not understand irony

Is slavery halal or not, it's a simple question with a simple answer. Yes. Do you accept that? Yes. That's fine, but don't try and do some mental gymnastics to make slavery just. That's an ugly belief so just embrace it, you'll look like less of backbending p*ssy to liberal criticisms.

also is't true that you promote homosexuality? i understand if you are "lakum diina kum" but do you know its absolutely haram in islam right? you do know allah destroyed an entire qowm bcz of it right? why how about you just denounce it and stop defending them?

Firstly, homosexuality cannot be promoted. It is not an ideology or a lifestyle, it is a state of being. If they are born gay as I was born straight, they deserve to realize their true selves as I am free to realize my sexuality. If that right is not afforded to them by Allah, then, by all means, humanity should bestow upon them that right. After all, another person's actions do not count against you on judgement day.

Secondly, and lastly, it is offensive to assume I am gay just because I support civil rights.