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EvolSyawla wrote:Does ahlubayt refer to Shias?

Ahl = People/Reerka/Members of

al = the

Bayt =House/Household

Shias ran away with this term. They excluded the wives of Prophet Muhammed[pbut] from this definition even though the Qur'an in a number of instances & indeed common sense tells us that a man's wife is a member of his household. They have issues with some of his wives so expunged them altogether.

Cherine wrote:

EvolSyawla wrote:Does ahlubayt refer to Shias?

Ahl = People/Reerka/Members of

al = the

Bayt =House/Household

Shias ran away with this term. They excluded the wives of Prophet Muhammed[pbut] from this definition even though the Qur'an in a number of instances & indeed common sense tells us that a man's wife is a member of his household. They have issues with some of his wives so expunged them altogether.

What is it about Aisha that they hate?

She sided with Mucaawiye (RC) against Cali Ibn Ibii Daalib (RC) in Islamic Civil War (Not sure its name).

CaliQase wrote:She sided with Mucaawiye (RC) against Cali Ibn Ibii Daalib (RC) in Islamic Civil War (Not sure its name).

So she was a woman of power. Okay. Coolio.

It's not just Aisha they have issues with Hafsa too and indeed many of the early Muslims who didn't pledge allegiance to Ali.

ChiefKimbo wrote:

CaliQase wrote:She sided with Mucaawiye (RC) against Cali Ibn Ibii Daalib (RC) in Islamic Civil War (Not sure its name).

So she was a woman of power. Okay. Coolio.

I don't know about her powers, but the matter somehow was solved afterwards.
Here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fitna

Warsheekh wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:I remember when I was a kid I heard stories of Somalis in the South having huge festival of mourning for PBUH and beating themselves up like Shias.......honestly I just took those stories as bullshit qabyaalad stories, I really don't know if its true or not to this day.

bro it's called istunka. It's a rahanwein tradition nothing to with shia or islam.

Geledi Shirib's people.

First, we need to differentiate Shia groups. The Ithna Ashari (Twelver) or aka Jaafari believe their imams are infallible. Basically, they attribute divine attributes to their imams. However, the Zaydi Shia don't believe their imams are infallible. There is a third Shia group who are known as Ismaili aka Aga Khan group. We will first look at the first two.

Both of groups agree Ali Bin Abu Talib (ra) should have been the successor to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) after Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah of Allah be upon him) died.

Zaydis go one step further and accept the first 3 khalifs - Abubakr Sadiq (ra), Omar bin Khaddab (ra), and Osman Bin Afan (ra) - as their imams as well. Some groups in Zaidi only accept the first 2 khalifs: Abubakr Sadiq (ra) and Omar bin Khaddab (ra). However, Ithna Asharis or Jaafaris see the first 3 khalifs (ra) and Umm Aisha (ra) as major sinners who have committed a huge injustice against Ali Bin Abu Talib (ra).

The third difference between Zaydis and Ithna Ashari (or Ja'afaris) Shia groups is how they view Imam Mahdi. Ithna Asharis (Jaafaris) believe the "Hidden Imam" concept, where they claim their 12th Imam went into hiding after Abbasid Sunni Khalif wanted to capture him, and he will return one day as the Mahdi. However, the Zaydi Shia reject the concept of the "hidden Imam" and believe Imam Mahdi will one day be born and rise when he is 40 years old.

Now here is where Sunnis and Zaydi Shias agree: (1) Imams or Khalifs (leaders) are not infallible. They are not chosen by God and have no divine attributes; (2) The first 3 khalifs - Abubakr Sadiq (ra), Omar bin Khaddab (ra), and Osman Bin Afan (ra) - were rightful leaders of Muslims as they were chosen thru consensus amongst Muslims; (3) Imam Mahdi is not in hiding but will be born one day; (4) Muslims should respect the wives of Prophet (pbbuh) since they are their mothers as verse 33:6 of the Noble Quran makes it very clear.

Since Ithna Asharis/Jaafaris disagree with them on all 4 accounts, to the eyes of Sunnis, they commit a majir shirk when they claim that their imams are infallible, and major sin when they claim that Imam Mahdi is hidden in a well, and also when they curse the first 3 khalifs and Prophet's wives.

That being said, the consensus among Sunni scholars is, the Zaydi Shia are fellow Muslims, and Ithna Asharis / Jaafaris are also Muslims with misguided beliefs and deeds. They still go to hajj, take the shahada, fast Ramadan, perform the prayer, and give charity to the poor. Therefore, we are not in a position to take them out of the Islamic fold; however, we need to very clear of their misguided beliefs and deeds.

As for Ismaili Shia, the consensus is that we (Sunnis) should not see them as fellow Muslims. Their spiritual guide is a guy named Agha Khan who tells them (Ismailis):

1) You don't have to pray salaat
2) You don't have to fast
3) You can drink alcohol
4) You can gamble

He has basically overridden the commandments of God in the Qur'an just because he perceives that times have changed and we cannot live like 1400 years ago. No human being can override the commandments of Allah, but this is what Agha Khan guy did.

Gegiroor, good information brother. I learned things in your post about Shia I did not know, especially the Zaydi Shia. These are the people fighting in Yemen for their rights?

Ismailiya, Alawites and Druze are just cults. Brother explain this to me, what about Sufism? Learning about them, like praying to a "saint", praying at the burial sites of deceased "saints", what do you make of it? Many northerners practice this, I hope our deceased forefathers are forgiven for their ignorance about Islam. I think of Sufism more of a cult, and put in the category of Aga Khan et al.

Now I have seen it all, what's next Somali Buddhists?

Jabuutawi wrote:Gegiroor, good information brother. I learned things in your post about Shia I did not know, especially the Zaydi Shia. These are the people fighting in Yemen for their rights?

Ismailiya, Alawites and Druze are just cults. Brother explain this to me, what about Sufism? Learning about them, like praying to a "saint", praying at the burial sites of deceased "saints", what do you make of it? Many northerners practice this, I hope our deceased forefathers are forgiven for their ignorance about Islam. I think Sufism more of a cult, and put in the category of Aga Khan et al.

Thanks bro. Yes, Houthis are part of Zaydi Shia. Their movement is political though. Historically, Yemen was always ruled by Zaydi Shia until 1962. There are different statistics, but I see some that state they are 35% of Yemen's population. Zaydis also live in India and Tanzania. The teachings of Zaydi Shia has been documented to be very closer to Hanafi School of Thought in Sunni Islam.

As for Sufism, first, Islam was spread in the Somali peninsula by Sufis. Their work for Islam has been magnificent in carrying the da'wah. However, praying to a "saint" or someone in a grave is a major shirk. You only pray to Allah. We need to understand praying is an act of worship, and and it is not permissible to do any act of worship to anyone other than Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Worship Allaah and join none with Him (in worship)”

(Noble Quran al-Nisa’ 4:36)

There is good discussion of this topic in this link, http://islamqa.info/en/13490, so please read through it.

As for Sufis being a cult, no, I would not put them in that category. Suufi Muslims - who are also Sunnis - are our brothers and sisters in faith. There are some ibadah issues caused by lack of knowledge in the deen which they commit, but we can find faults in all groups. The consensus among Islamic scholars is, leave any theological questions to the Islamic scholars, and do your best to learn the deen. Reach out to your brother and sister and inform them about the deen when you see them committing any act that is not permitted in Islam. Once you do that, you did your best. Afterwards, it is up to him (or her) and his creator.

As for our fathers, they did what they could, and under circumstances, they did well since they carried Islam and thought their offsprings (us) about this beautiful faith. Whatever mistakes that they have done, it was, of course, due to lack of knowledge, but their intentions were good as they have carried the message to their offsprings. This is how we're Muslims today. It is our responsibility though to learn the deen further, stop any shirk or bad deeds that we have been committing, and carry the message to our offsprings and to other non-Muslims who we want to join Islam.

Btw, I aint sheikh. I am doing my best to learn the deen now. If I made a mistake about my comments there, it is only an honest mistake and I ask Allah to forgive me. However, we need to understand this generation of ours will not have an excuse of not learning this deen. We have so much information in the web, lectures available in many sites, and Islamic centers in every city in the West. We need to spend our valuable time on increasing our knowledge in Islam.

Take care bro.

Itrah wrote:Now I have seen it all, what's next Somali Buddhists?

there is one already, a snetter called xplaya.

TheMightyNomad wrote:
Says the retard that throws around atheistic views and worship Martin Luther king Jr as his god!

A Nacas Who Know Nothing At All except personal attack. What has atheistic views gott to do whit defending a Muslims from Shia sect who'r praising their Prophet Muhammed sc and the supreme almighty God. Defending Those Muslims against salafi brainwashed takfiiris.

And about Great Dr- Martin Luther ? The only reason that you hate Great Martin Luther King is cuqdada and Self hating, narrow minded whit brain so damaged thinking being black is something Negative. Anaga madoow ma nihin. bla bla bla Bulshit . The great Halgamaa Martin Luther king may allah bless him his Janatul fardawsa was a Great man. and nacas like you can't take away what Martin luther did for The people. Waryaa orod meelahaas ku calaacal, Nacas fooqul nacas.