I believe in Somali unity but also believe in independence of Somaliland. Prove me wrong.

[Rambie]

What i don't get is why do Darods keep saying isaaq v somali and trying to make it sound like somali and isaaq are against eacjother . Isaaq and hawiye have good relations, Isaaq and dir have good relations , Isaaq and Raxanwayne have good relations

Isaaq doesn't like darod, hawiye doesn't like darod, dir don't like darod, raxanweeyn don't like darod

So from that we can see who the somali people love and who they don't

If thats the case why is the hutu government siding in the harti vs isaaq argument why don't your beloved friends give you recognition

Is that why Khatumo & Makhiir state never been "recognized" by TFG/SFG ?
Is that why the SFG is neutral when between SL & PL dispute over Sool & Sanaag?

[Bandit]

Nikan la yerada Worrirs maskaxda Isaaqa ka wase.

You skipped the irony Worrirs,

"Xamar will sell you to the Habasha, na na na ..."

Dhulbahanti being ethiopian bitch>>>>> being isaaq bitch

How do you classify your clan as a Bitch?


Where's Udun & Garad?
This flower needs some slapping.

So you prefer to be an Ethiopian/Hawiya Bitch
rather than a free citizen in SL?

You can't be lower than that house knee-grow.
The funny thing is, you don't even see Isaaq people in your immediate life!
Cuqdad abaha iyo hoyada ku dex kortay isk da oo cadi iska dhiiq doqon yahow.

I didn't sign up to being bottom bitch of hawiye don't put words in my mouth

[Bandit]

What i don't get is why do Darods keep saying isaaq v somali and trying to make it sound like somali and isaaq are against eacjother . Isaaq and hawiye have good relations, Isaaq and dir have good relations , Isaaq and Raxanwayne have good relations

Isaaq doesn't like darod, hawiye doesn't like darod, dir don't like darod, raxanweeyn don't like darod

So from that we can see who the somali people love and who they don't

If thats the case why is the hutu government siding in the harti vs isaaq argument why don't your beloved friends give you recognition

Is that why Khatumo & Makhiir state never been "recognized" by TFG/SFG ?
Is that why the SFG is neutral when between SL & PL dispute over Sool & Sanaag?

Our day will come

[Rambie]

I see you skip the part I said the somali government (A.K.A Xamar) can sell your regions without firing a single shot
Somalia has a legal rights to sell you people and should exercise that right
the documents somalia has over your people is worth alot more than any fire power you might have.
#sell isaaqland 2015

[Rambie]

You're a very confused Snetter.
I can point out the gaps in your argument from a mile.
The only thing that drives you is ignorance & hate. It's not
like I expect anything from you though.

[Bandit]

I see you skip the part I said the somali government (A.K.A Xamar) can sell your regions without firing a single shot
Somalia has a legal rights to sell you people and should exercise that right
the documents somalia has over your people is worth alot more than any fire power you might have.
#sell isaaqland 2015

Well looks like me and you will eat of off habash females in the future lets start kissing up to our new country called ethiopia

[Rambie]

I see you skip the part I said the somali government (A.K.A Xamar) can sell your regions without firing a single shot
Somalia has a legal rights to sell you people and should exercise that right
the documents somalia has over your people is worth alot more than any fire power you might have.
#sell isaaqland 2015

Well looks like me and you will eat of off habash females in the future lets start kissing up to our new country called ethiopia

Am sorry, I have class and sharaf. I have far more
aspirations and ambitions than kissing the feet of a stinky midget row meat eater.
If that's the path you choose for yourself, I don't have the slightest interest to share you such degrading future.

"Aim for the stars, and you may land on the moon"

[TheCadaanGuy]

Reading the debates in this thread has been quite interesting.

Unfortunately I see the same pattern of some people saying that they do not want to be ruled by somebody who hails from a rival clan without any discrimination, suffering, etc and that they rather an Ethiopian ruler who murders, rapes and pillages Somalis. This is not mentioning that the ruler won't be a Muslim.

So... Anyone who has their lineage in the region where dhullos live in:

Do you oppose SL? If so Do you have any valid reasons doing so?

I'll be here taking notes.

[Bandit]

Reading the debates in this thread has been quite interesting.

Unfortunately I see the same pattern of some people saying that they do not want to be ruled by somebody who hails from a rival clan without any discrimination, suffering, etc and that they rather an Ethiopian ruler who murders, rapes and pillages Somalis. This is not mentioning that the ruler won't be a Muslim.

So... Anyone who has their lineage in the region where dhullos live in:
Do you oppose SL? If so Do you have any valid reasons doing so?
I'll be here taking notes.

Yes anybody with brain cells would oppose
Look at the somaliland mps 80 percent of them are isaaq
look at the aid money they took in the name of somaliland which includes a large area Dhulbahante lives but only 5 percent to las anod

[TheCadaanGuy]

Reading the debates in this thread has been quite interesting.

Unfortunately I see the same pattern of some people saying that they do not want to be ruled by somebody who hails from a rival clan without any discrimination, suffering, etc and that they rather an Ethiopian ruler who murders, rapes and pillages Somalis. This is not mentioning that the ruler won't be a Muslim.

So... Anyone who has their lineage in the region where dhullos live in:
Do you oppose SL? If so Do you have any valid reasons doing so?
I'll be here taking notes.

Yes anybody with brain cells would oppose
Look at the somaliland mps 80 percent of them are isaaq
look at the aid money they took in the name of somaliland which includes a large area Dhulbahante lives but only 5 percent to las anod

I've done a quick maths on population figures. Isaaq clan form about 60-70% of the population in that region.

80% figure is quite high but still well within the error margin.

Can you prove that dhullos were under represented because of discrimination? Can you prove that it wasn't because dhullos didn't want to be in the government e.g. lack of suitable candidates for the government?

All those questions are important.

About the aid money, it was distributed based on economy and based on usefulness.

E.g. gailbey got majority of money (amount vs population/landmass) because it was most fertile land. Berbera got a lot of money because it was a port and it could generate money in taxes.

Let me ask you a question, If aid money were given to you for use in dhullos land. What can you use it for that benefits more people than if it were invested in somewhere else?

Would you still advocate for aid money to be used in land where it produces a crop every year if it is on dhullo land instead of isaaq or other clans land that produces a crop every month using the same amount of aid money?

[Bandit]

Reading the debates in this thread has been quite interesting.

Unfortunately I see the same pattern of some people saying that they do not want to be ruled by somebody who hails from a rival clan without any discrimination, suffering, etc and that they rather an Ethiopian ruler who murders, rapes and pillages Somalis. This is not mentioning that the ruler won't be a Muslim.

So... Anyone who has their lineage in the region where dhullos live in:
Do you oppose SL? If so Do you have any valid reasons doing so?
I'll be here taking notes.

Yes anybody with brain cells would oppose
Look at the somaliland mps 80 percent of them are isaaq
look at the aid money they took in the name of somaliland which includes a large area Dhulbahante lives but only 5 percent to las anod

I've done a quick maths on population figures. Isaaq clan form about 60-70% of the population in that region.

80% figure is quite high but still well within the error margin.

Can you prove that dhullos were under represented because of discrimination? Can you prove that it wasn't because dhullos didn't want to be in the government e.g. lack of suitable candidates for the government?
well if being minority is so nice why are you running away from somalia?
All those questions are important.

About the aid money, it was distributed based on economy and based on usefulness.

E.g. gailbey got majority of money (amount vs population/landmass) because it was most fertile land. Berbera got a lot of money because it was a port and it could generate money in taxes.

Let me ask you a question, If aid money were given to you for use in dhullos land. What can you use it for that benefits more people than if it were invested in somewhere else?
your isaaq aren't you

Would you still advocate for aid money to be used in land where it produces a crop every year if it is on dhullo land instead of isaaq or other clans land that produces a crop every month using the same amount of aid money?

This nikka talking about sacrifice yourself for isaaq
Let me ask you a question is it beneficial for Dhulbahanta to be in somalia government or your clan state?
keep in mind they get fairly represented
in somalia government compared to you clan state
And they would've got fair share of the aid money for themselves.

[TheCadaanGuy]

This nikka talking about sacrifice yourself for isaaq
Let me ask you a question is it beneficial for Dhulbahanta to be in somalia government or your clan state?
keep in mind they get fairly represented
in somalia government compared to you clan state
And they would've got fair share of the aid money for themselves.

All you need to know about my clan is it's meaningless. Check my post history, you will see that I never said anything positive or negative about clans individually. I am anti-tribalist.

Now, when presented with very valid questions, all you do is try to discredit me. You didn't even try to prove me wrong which this thread is all about.

I believe it is beneficial for dhulbahante to be part of SL. I asked you why you don't agree with this, the one of the two arguments you bring up is lack of representation and that has been already disproved and yet you continue to speak about lack of representation.

By the way, SL is not a clan state. Do you have evidence showing that it is clan state? Why are they trying to include dhulbahante if it is clan state? What benefit does SL have if it includes dhulbahante?

Somalia government hasn't said anything new about clan representation in 2016 (or later) election, I'll assume they are using 4.5 clan formula. You're happy with Somalia because of 4.5 clan formula. Do you not think it's hypocritical to complain lack of representation knowing that minority clans get even worse representation? Why haven't they stood up while you have?

You continue to complain about aid when I challenged you on that issue. Do you have any rebuttals to my arguments?

Here's another argument from me about the aid money:

Since 2010, SL government has invested more money into dhulbahante region than PL and SFG combined. Why do you think they will suddenly start investing into the region? What will they develop that benefits the region more than other regions using same amount of aid money?

I'm giving you another chance to answer my questions (I'm still waiting for answer from my previous comment)