Pro samatar, sland was a recognized country before Somalia!

[gobdoon]

You all don't know how to debate and are without protocol , sometimes I wonder if you are all high on Qat or if that is how you are.

[Rambie]

You all don't know how to debate and are without protocol , sometimes I wonder if you are all high on Qat or if that is how you are.

Actually, all of us were debating
until you came out of the blue to cheer lead
for your Hawiya cousin.

Your talking about debate, while you're chearleading.
Miad marqantai?

[Siciid85]

You all don't know how to debate and are without protocol , sometimes I wonder if you are all high on Qat or if that is how you are.

You don't get high from mildly stimulant like Khat, dude

That's no defense. Now, please back up your early claims

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Lol@ somaliland being one of the fourth states of zoomalia watch from 7:40

[GAMES]

Xildiid, for someone as smart as you, u should know Ictiraaf isn't coming.

Several reasons why:

- Somalia would have to first sign off on it. And the reason they won't give you Ictiraaf is, there is still un settled issues within the people of Waqooyi Somalia, with the Dhulos and the Khaatumo issue.

- Ethiopia won't recognize you also without Somalia signing off first. Because Ethiopia also has issues with secessionist in its own country.

If the Ethios gave you an Ictiraaf, then Somalia would turn around and give the Oromos and the other groups inside Ethiopia their Ictiraaf.

- Djibouti won't recognize you.

- UN/World community won't recognize you either. Do you honestly believe, the Jewish and the Gaaloos want another Muslim nation in the UN wielding a voting power?

So in short, Ictiraaf isn't coming, and Professor Samatar is just one of many who is trying to sell you a dream.

But good luck.

[thegoodshepherd]

Recognition for Somaliland has nothing to do with the UN. It can be granted by member countries, but not by the organization. Even if Somaliland were to be recognized, the international community will probably attach a referendum as a requirement for recognition.
Somaliland may then become a state but with different borders than those of 1960.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

You all don't know how to debate and are without protocol , sometimes I wonder if you are all high on Qat or if that is how you are.

Actually, all of us were debating
until you came out of the blue to cheer lead
for your Hawiya cousin.

Your talking about debate, while you're chearleading.
Miad marqantai?

lol gobdoon is jeberti. Just so you know....

[Xildiiid]

Gamer,

Ictiraaf is a long term goal and not having ictiraaf is actually a blessing, if utilized in the right way.

Somalia has no jurisdiction when it comes to Somaliland because Somaliland was never part of Somalia. The supreme court in Mogadishu tried but couldn't prosecute the SL officers that orchestrated the failed coup in 1961, so what makes you think Somalia has any jurisdiction today? Of course politicians will claim that the government of Somalia is the sole legitimate authority but that's rhetoric, in juridical sense, it's as far as you can get from the truth.

We do not differentiate between countries who oppose our cause. Djibouti and Ethiopia have the right to oppose Somaliland's self determination, no matter how hypocritical it might be, nonetheless, de jure recognition is not tied to any of these countries nor the international community. It's more about what we, as a nation, bring to the table.

Thegoodshepherd,

The Cairo resolution adopted in 1964 by the OAU clearly states that the boundaries of Africa will be based on the borders set by the colonial powers. The border between Somaliland and Somalia is based on the Anglo-Italian treaty just like the border between Somaliland and Djibouti is based on the Anglo-French treaty. A referendum would encompass Somaliland as an entity rather than being based on districts or regions because we're not dealing with secession. As I mentioned earlier, Somaliland is not seceding from Somalia.

[sahal80]

I have hard time following your writing. The substance is there, but the exact points you're trying to make are simply not clear for me.

Mind trying again and this time leave out the Ethiopian history revision reference, as I don't see how that applies here.

Any who, the original author of this poem is disputed. You off course went with the one that suits you.I and others from Somaliland are absolutely convinced it was another man who author it.

MR cawaale was student of the great Hajji Yusuf Adan who many claimed was the real man behind the lyrics. He is dead now unfortunately or would set the record straight.


june26,

Go home little boy.

suppose they were reer waqooyi, whats wrong with that? Reer waqooyi have contributed a lot to the somali nationalism culturally not politically...What im against is the rewriting of history and claiming being the "national slogans of the republic of somaliland" lol

This pic is from 12 october 1954, waqooyi was a british protectorate back then ruled by a white governor and a british executive council-with few unofficial local members-
http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbt58 ... 1_1280.jpg

So your people were only dhagataagin to xamar since they had no government-we had parliament and flag since 1954 and govt ince 1956- under the italian administered UN trusteeship

In 1954, all the political parties were asked for through a joint committee to design the somali national flag...there was competition between the parties and even the members within one party to get adopted their own designed flags but the committee has chosen the man who designed this flag bc he honored the UNs role in somalias road for independence as the blue colour stands for the UN but now we say the indian ocean

Though the italian facists were more closer to the somali interests since they were against ethiopia, this had played big role in our independence as the jewish lobby and the british diplomats were all against italy...britain has backed the SYL leader, iise attending two conferences, one in the united nation and the other in germany...so we had our own conditions on the return of italy not to be more than 10 years

more details...ahem hope my english is improving

viewtopic.php?t=325936#p3958721

Now let me go back to abdullahi qarshe...like many other nationalist somalis In the north he found out the flag being approved...he just describes the same flag that was raised in mogadishu NOT somaliland where no flag yet was raised. how can you claim this ?

This is your own source: markii "gudigii" calanii lol
Ruwaayada indho sarcaad 1955
http://www.somalilandpatriots.com/print-9799-0

Officially, written 1959. This song has being adopted in the current constitution as the national anthem. Tooseey was adopted by SYL in 1947 and was the national anthem from 26 june/1st july...we got the videos!
http://www.indexmundi.com/somalia/gover ... ofile.html

[Xildiiid]

Lol@ somaliland being one of the fourth states of zoomalia watch from 7:40

Lol, waa dad riwaayad iyo been isku maaweelinaya.

They're like Gobdoon, a fake nationalist, who sheds crocodile tears, waves the blue flag, sings Somaliyeey tooso, only to support a foreign military intervention moments later, under the pretext of ending Islamic terrorism, that will further his clan interests.

That's why we as Somalilanders have to fight for our coming generations. We have to make sure that the future is bright for them.

[Xildiiid]

Sahal,

Yes, the legislative and executive powers were excercised by a British governor. The only reason why Somalia became a UN trusteeship under Italy was because Italy lost WWII. The fascists under Mussolini had no intentions of giving up Somalia, matter of fact, the idea of Somaliweyn (La Grande Somalia - Greater Somalia) was proposed by Mussolini and it was under this pretext he invaded British Somaliland in 1940. Ernest Bevin later stole the idea after the defeat of Italy and proposed a Pan Somali state under British trusteeship to the four-power commission. The Sovietunion and United States opposed the idea because they believed that Great Britain was driven by imperialistic motives. In essensce, the outcome of WWII enabled the little freedom you had.

Secondly, the notion that politics was absent in Somaliland at that time is ridiculous. Somaliland youth from the Middle East, inspired by the early Ba'athism and Arab nationalism, formed an organization called the Somali National Society. In 1949-51 the organization evolved into the Somali National League (SNL), the dominant party and first Pan Somali movement in Somaliland. In contrast to Walaweyn revision, the SYL had no impact in Somaliland.


Stop lying! The proposed anthem was Qarshe's Qoloba Calankeedu Waa Ceynoo created in 1959 for the proposed unification of the two countries. That song was played for the first time on June 26, 1960. Somaliyeey tooso might have been adopted by SYL as a political party but it was not the proposed anthem for the Somali republic.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Yes, the legislative and executive powers were excercised by a British governor. The only reason why Somalia became a UN trusteeship under Italy was because Italy lost WWII. The fascists under Mussolini had no intentions of giving up Somalia, matter of fact, the idea of Somaliweyn (La Grande Somalia - Greater Somalia) was proposed by Mussolini and it was under this pretext he invaded British Somaliland in 1940. Ernest Bevin later stole the idea after the defeat of Italy and proposed a Pan Somali state under British trusteeship to the four-power commission. The Sovietunion and United States opposed the idea because they believed that Great Britain was driven by imperialistic motives. In essensce, the outcome of WWII enabled the little freedom you had.

Secondly, the notion that politics was absent in Somaliland at that time is ridiculous. Somaliland youth from the Middle East, inspired by the early Ba'athism and Arab nationalism, formed an organization called the Somali National Society. In 1949-51 the organization evolved into the Somali National League (SNL), the dominant party and first Pan Somali movement in Somaliland. In contrast to Walaweyn revision, the SYL had no impact in Somaliland.


Stop lying! The proposed anthem was Qarshe's Qoloba Calankeedu Waa Ceynoo created in 1959 for the proposed unification of the two countries. That song was played for the first time on June 26, 1960. Somaliyeey tooso might have been adopted by SYL as a political party but it was not the proposed anthem for the Somali republic.

yes for the part of the colonial powers stance on somalilands but I dont got why r you claiming this song of qolobaa calenkeed wich basically describes the colours of a flag you had no role in its invention to begin with!

If your point is that you have invented the lyrics who cares of his qabil or region!

Secondly you need to back your claims with sources not taking out of its historical context!

Yusuf haji adan was an SYL fellow and he recited this anthem in 26 of june...if you got other sources prove me wrong!

south somalia was fortunate enough to take advantage in the conflict between the nazi/facist italy and the allied camp

Though we had british military administration, legally we were still an italian colony bc of the previous treats between the colonial powers from the scramble for africa to these treats between italia, britain, france and ethiopia on somalilands

arabic sources reveal how the jewish were supporting somalia bc of the nazi involvement in italy...israel has recognized our independence in 1950.

the americans, taking advantage of the britains bankruptcy in the second world war, was taking over her in the gulf area so was in favour of losing all somalilans too..russia had similar worries....france is a uk rival...so, conflict of intrests were behind italy restoring the south not as a colonial power but with a UN mandate

Britain has helped us in the allies commission for listening our "national aspirations"

abdullahi iise has attened in their conference in postdam

The 10 years term was suggested by the SYL...eelays, reer hamar, barawanis and all thse minorities were pro-colonization

When britain lost its hope on the south, they gave up their somaliwayn agenda, keeping NFD with kenya despite the referendum....

as a south we were better than many african nations bc of the position from italy

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/13.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_T ... Somaliland

[Xildiiid]

You claim that Somalia created the flag and I agree. The flag was proposed by the Somalia delegation led by Aadan Cadde to become the national flag of the Somali republic and the Somaliland delegation led by Cigaal accepted it on the basis that it was a Pan Somali flag transcending both Somaliland and Somalia. The flag was a symbol for Somaliweyn and the two delegations discussed unification in order to achieve that Somaliweyn dream. Today, there are no aspirations for Somaliweyn or a Somali republic and therefore Somaliland has created its own flag. However that doesn't take away the fact that the republic of Somaliland, that you see today, is the successor state to the Somaliland that gained independence on June 26, 1960.

The proposed anthem was Qoloba Calankeedu Waa Ceynoo created by a Somalilander and it was agreed by the delegations that Qarshe's song would serve as a national anthem. Somaliyeey Tooso was never an option, it was performed on June 26, 1960 but not as a national anthem. Instead of honoring the agreement, Somalia held on to the anthem created by Giuseppe Blanc.

Now, you're saying that Somalia proposed Somaliyeey tooso, if this is indeed the case, wouldn't Somalia have adopted Somaliyeey tooso instead of Giuseppe Blanc's anthem?

SYL had no impact in Somaliland. It was the smallest party with 5,7% of the votes in the parliamentary elections of Somaliland, compared to the SNL who had 52,2%, NUF 24,8% and USP 16,4%.

Great Britain had to give up the idea of Somaliweyn because of pressure from the Sovietunion and the United States. It did not ''lose hope'' like you're suggesting.

The Soviets and the Americans were right. Britain had indeed imperialistic motives and when ''their'' idea of Somaliweyn was dismissed, they intended to hold on to areas that were under their sphere of influence like Kenya. The Kikuyus believed they inherited the right to rule Kenya and they were not willing to give up the NFD. The British had to accept that because they couldn't afford to spoil relations. By accepting Kenyattas demands, they sacrificed the Somali pastoralists they had promised would be reunited with their people.

From Great Britain's perspective it was all about staying relevant in a world that was divided into two major camps.

[26June1960]

Sahal vs 10 Isaaq members propagating the same old bullshit rhetoric.

[Xildiiid]

^
What rhetoric?