ny times article, ayaan hirsi and sexuality of women

[Xyaad]

afdhere all im trying to say is that don't direct your hatred towards islam... obviously there are corrupt muslims but this has nothing to do with islam its just some people have weaker iman then others. If they commit heinous crimes then they should pay. I think they are others ways of going about it!

[afdhere]

xyaad,

i don't hate islam. i'm a muslim. that would be a big self-hating thing going on. nor do i hate those muslims who do bad things. i pitty those muslims. and i feel sorry for islam.. because it is hijacked by crazy people.

afdhere

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="beautyQUEEN05"]
You continuality bombard people to have the same beliefs as you judging those who oppose, with negativity. I find you morally repugnant; you can not change peoples minds on what they believe. Islam does not instill hatred toward woman, if you believe that surely you are mistaken. I am a a woman, and I find Islam to be the most respectful religion to women. Arabic CULTURE, is completely different from ISLAM. Islam shows modesty, respect to their women. Opposed to other religions where woman are treated as second class citizens, showing their "bodies" to get jobs, money and so forth.[/quote]

Who are you? You sound old member.

Can you be more specific about what I bombard ppl with that you consider as 'negativity.' You find me morally repugnant, fine, you're entitled to think of me whatever you like. But facts are facts. And so is the truth.

Have I presented inexact facts about Islam and women? Possibly. But where exactly?

You say : "Islam does not instill hatred toward woman, if you believe that surely you are mistaken."

Really? Where is that Islam practiced? Everywhere you look in the Islamic world, there is lack of parity between the sexes. That is a FACT! Refute it, I dare you.

And your vilifying, blinkered view of Occidentalism shows through what when you say, "Opposed to other religions where woman are treated as second class citizens, showing their "bodies" to get jobs, money and so forth." Where are these women, I'm curious?

I'm out

[Kamal35]

Dhuusa: Some lessons...

1) Don't try to argue with fanatics. Fanatics are fanatics. Don't try to speak to monkeys... They won't understand...

2) Fanatics think that Islam is on their side. Cavemen are wrong. Islam can't be on the side of monkeys or cavemen...

3) Wahabists have this dream that the whole world will be ruled by Bin Laden... while Bin Laden is hidding himself in a cave or something. Old bla, bla, bla.

4) Fanatics think that they understand Islam... what a joke! They can't even to put words together as m-a is ma...

5) The rest, it goes for itself...

[xoogSADE14]

^ where do former slaves of these "fanatics" fall into the equation

what about the spanish inquisition that lead to the deaths of millions upon millions of native indians in south america

[beautyQUEEN05]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="beautyQUEEN05"]
You continuality bombard people to have the same beliefs as you judging those who oppose, with negativity. I find you morally repugnant; you can not change peoples minds on what they believe. Islam does not instill hatred toward woman, if you believe that surely you are mistaken. I am a a woman, and I find Islam to be the most respectful religion to women. Arabic CULTURE, is completely different from ISLAM. Islam shows modesty, respect to their women. Opposed to other religions where woman are treated as second class citizens, showing their "bodies" to get jobs, money and so forth.[/quote]

Who are you? You sound old member.

Can you be more specific about what I bombard ppl with that you consider as 'negativity.' You find me morally repugnant, fine, you're entitled to think of me whatever you like. But facts are facts. And so is the truth.

Have I presented inexact facts about Islam and women? Possibly. But where exactly?

You say : "Islam does not instill hatred toward woman, if you believe that surely you are mistaken."

Really? Where is that Islam practiced? Everywhere you look in the Islamic world, there is lack of parity between the sexes. That is a FACT! Refute it, I dare you.

And your vilifying, blinkered view of Occidentalism shows through what when you say, "Opposed to other religions where woman are treated as second class citizens, showing their "bodies" to get jobs, money and so forth." Where are these women, I'm curious?

I'm out [/quote]

No, I am not an old member. Actually this is my first time ever registering for a forum, the main reason I joined, would have to be you. I see you continually writing non-factual material, if you have something to say, SHOW evidence that clarifies the topic presented. All you do is jump to conclusions. And please STOP using substantial words to address your point of view. Half do not even comply with the sentence.

You are what I call a "Blind bat", a brainwashed, manufactured, incompetent human being.

[dhuusa_deer]

Jazminda,

Are you contesting the fact Ayan Hirsi is hiding from Islamofacist who wanna kill her You seem to be -- once again -- making light of very dire and life threatening situation. Is this a big joke to you?

Islamofacist want to kill Ayan Hirsi, they said they would just like they said they would also kill Van Gogh -- the director of Ayan's documentary. Van Gogh didn't take the necessary precautions and paid with his life. The Jihadi who slit his throat like sacrificial lamp also pinned Quranic verses on his chest so as to remind the whole world his motive. A fact he later confessed to during his trail.

So Ayan hirsi has very good, legitimate and real reasons to be in hiding. She hasn't YET lost her mind and started imagining menacing fictitious characters. She's got clear and present danger. Real danger, the kind that is fatalistic.

The matter at hand here is not really that she is hiding or needs 24/7 protection, but WHY? Who has she killed, harmed, denied a right to life? No body! so why should her life be in danger at ALL?

Like to hear how you defend the goat fukers, head shrinkers and fingertip choppers who want to kill a SOMALI woman for expressing her RIGHTFUL opinion.

I'll be back

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="xoogSADE14"]^ where do former slaves of these "fanatics" fall into the equation

what about the spanish inquisition that lead to the deaths of millions upon millions of native indians in south america [/quote]

the Spanish Inquisition had nothing to do with natives of South America!

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="beautyQUEEN05"] Actually this is my first time ever registering for a forum, the main reason I joined, would have to be you. I see you continually writing non-factual material, if you have something to say, SHOW evidence that clarifies the topic presented. All you do is jump to conclusions. And please STOP using substantial words to address your point of view. Half do not even comply with the sentence.

You are what I call a "Blind bat", a brainwashed, manufactured, incompetent human being.[/quote]

I'm the main reason you joined this site

what did I do to make you register?

Or are you a secret admirer?

Now, what is this you talking about me presenting non-factual material? I mean, I'm not perfect and some of the stuff I say maybe wrong. If that is the case then point to exactly where and correct me. I'm open to constructive criticism where it is due.

I do concede though, that I grossly over generalise more often then I should. Like saying muslims this and muslims that...but I do that in the same way a someone would say, "italians talk with their hands" or "americans are crass and stubborn." Not entirely true but not entirely untrue either. But I never judge someone on whether they believe Islam or not but what they do and say.

If you got something specific you want to talk about, that you feel I've intentionally misled, let's here it. Don't hide behind characterizations like 'brainwashed' or 'manufactured.' Funny isn't it that you demand I present evidence for what I say but you make sweeping conclusions about me without presenting or demonstrating their pertinence. Funny indeed!

BTW, welcome to Snet.

[TZ Somali]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]'EQUALITY' in the context of Islam is an oxymoron.

To begin with, Islam declares a WAR on the rest of humanity by the saying: Ther is no God but Allah. That says if you don't believe in Allah, then you're my enemy.

Pagans and atheist are to be put to death if they refuse to convert.

If you leave Islam, you're to be killed. Is there ANY religion in the world today that punishes apostasy? I can't think of one.

Women are tilths to ploughed by men who have a degree of advantage over them. and of course 'right hand possession' rights


and on and on.....[/quote]

Dhuser puts the issue of FGM aside, I wish to point to you that notion of religious superioty exist in all major reliogions; let be Islam, Christian amongs others faith. Usually those who fail to confess to their religious values and belief systems are deemed to be faithfully unpure..e.tc In Christianity those individuals who failed to acknowlegde the existance of Christ and the holy Spirit, hell in afterlife is reserved for them.

The same belief structure exits in all major religiouns as i point out above, such religious notion and structure of this kind is no exclusive to Islam only.

[afdhere]

tz,

while most religionists are racists the same way muslims are, only muslims go around killing oppostates... or those whom they seem as such. it is what happened to salman rushdi, it is what happened to ayaan hirsi ali, it is what happened to many, many others.


dhuusa,

you are right. this kid knows nothing. the spanish inquisition was what happened in spain after the spanish won their country back. what they did was horrible-- converting the muslims and jews of their people... BACK to catholicisim. this was part of the "limpieza de sangre" or the cleaning of the blood... a horrible, racist thing. but it happened in their country. with their people... unlike the arabization that reached spain and beyond.

afdhere

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Lion what are you going to do, kill all the homosexuals now? Focking Muslims. Self-righteous, ignorant, slimy, cock-socking bastards!

[intellex]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Lion what are you going to do, kill all the homosexuals now? Focking Muslims. Self-righteous, ignorant, slimy, cock-socking bastards![/quote]


yea and iam going to help him mad so run like a real shemale

[afdhere]

i find it funny that a man who has abdullahi yusuf in his avitar talks about bashing homos really, now

afdhere

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="TZ Somali"] Dhuser puts the issue of FGM aside, I wish to point to you that notion of religious superioty exist in all major reliogions; let be Islam, Christian amongs others faith. Usually those who fail to confess to their religious values and belief systems are deemed to be faithfully unpure..e.tc In Christianity those individuals who failed to acknowlegde the existance of Christ and the holy Spirit, hell in afterlife is reserved for them.

The same belief structure exits in all major religiouns as i point out above, such religious notion and structure of this kind is no exclusive to Islam only.[/quote]

TZ,

Islam is an exception! It is not a religion but a war and political ideology. A whole chapter of the Quran is dedicated to War Booty. 'Holy Book and War Booty'? Hmmm, sorry but that is like the devil taking shower in holy water. Risible!

While in many ways similar to christianity, it nonetheless stands out as unique. Christianity not only took itself out of Medieval times but left Medieval times in the past. Where as Islam is not only still AT 7th century but haven't even started the process of taking itself out of 7th century. So Islam is not only stuck in 7th century arabia, 7th century arabia is stuck with Islam.

And muslims look around and wonder why nothing is going right for them but are unable to connect the dots because that would entail concluding Islam is false. Maybe there is God but Mohammed was certainly not his prophet!

That is why you see muslims defending absurd, impractical, inhumane and by today's standards primitive injections and practices, belonging to Primitivia...like cliterectomy, lapidation, whippings, forced hijabing, death for apostates, forced charity and fasting...while the rest of the civilised and enlightened world is hurling sophisticated sedan-sized space crafts at rocks 83 miles away in deep space, the poor benighted muslims are hurling rocks at adulterers. punishing adultry in 2005!?!?!

Let's face it, muslims have been WHAMMIED!!!!! They don't know what hit them! They're still trying to figure it out!