Are Habar Jeclo People Somalis ?

[cheifaqilbari]

^ what's that disgusting pictures suppose to mean childish . To The person who asked are Habr Jeclo somali. YES they are . As previously explained tthe name Habr Jeclo is a nickname , why u so interested in dad aad ka dhalaan?

[zumaale]

Itrah, LH

You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Some niggas are either too thick or have too much invested in myths perpetuated over the past two centuries.

Gurey

The dominant E1b1b haplotype found among Somalis is not among those found in Jews, North Africans or Middle Easterners. If Somali E-V32 carriers are Bani Hashim, then in excess of 10 million East Africans are Quraish.

The Somali haplogroup T variety can be traced back to an ancestor that lived roughly two millenniums ago according to one study. This a preliminary finding that needs further examining. Nonetheless, the Somali haplogroup T so far appears to be linked mainly to Dir subclans. It sure as hell ain't a coincidence that it has been found to be significantly present among people living in Somaliland/Djibouti/North Western K5. Either all T carrying Northern Somalis are Bani Hashim or could it be that their ancestor preceded the spread of Islam in the Horn?

One thing is for sure, whether a Somali is T or E-V32, they ain't a Hashemite as neither haplogroup is a Semitic marker. J is found in negligible amounts among Somalis. In contrast, the Beja and Afar posses it at higher percentages. Considering the verified historic links between Southern Arabia/Egypt and these ethnic groups, it is not surprising to find that they possess more Semitic ancestry than supposedly Quraish Somalis.

[zumaale]

Steadystate I'm not of that clan you troll. All Somalis have this obsession with claiming Abu Talib. Their self-worth is that of a goat, probably underachievers in real-life.

[sahal80]

There are specific E1b1b haplogroups that have nothing to do with Somalis though. E-V13, for instance, is found mostly in the Balkans/Greece and the southern Mediterranean. That has nothing to do with the Somali E1b1b. By the same way, there are e1b1b haplogroups found in the middle-east and North Africa that have nothing to do with the Somali version of the E1b1b and are separated from them by tens of thousands of years. Also, a lot of Somalis have T-haplogroup which is found all over the world. Does that mean a Somali man with T haplogroup genes is directly descended form a Levantine with the same haplogroup? No because these markers were separated over thousands of years.

The only people who descend from arabs in the Somali Peninsula are Cadcads/Barwaanis/Reer Xamaris and they aren't even ethnic Somalis.

All true, but there are three more clans that may possible descent from a recent foreign patriach:

Sheekhaal -> R1a1a from Pakistan.
Warsangelis -> J1a2b from Yemen
Yibirs -> J2b from Israel

All other clans in Somalia are either E1b1b1 or T1a, which are both ancient in the region and can't have come from recent foreign patriarchs.

yaa ustad, sheekhal can be arabs and somalis so hope you know this, its not anough.... Maybe these r the arab sheekhals who settle in merka.. originally they were shia from the iraq-iran border crossing area thats where their name gondaar shaah-gandarshe- comes from just like moqad shaah-mogadishu-

R1a is an indo-iranian haplogroup

In the early 19 centery, a faqih from aw qutub subclan-abdallah al qutbi-has written a book in wich for the first time they/he claimed being descended from the bakri clan through faqi umar, a common ancestor for some oromo and hararis also claimed by the gandarshe

[Itrah]

I forgot to add that the ''Carab Saalax'' tribe in Somalia is also J1a2b, but autosomally they are Somali somehow.

[sahal80]

I forgot to add that the ''Carab Saalax'' tribe in Somalia is also J1a2b, but autosomally they are Somali somehow.

semitic clade. I guess they hail from these old stock minorities in oman and yemen. Its also found in beja at 15 percent

J1c3d dominates in yemen, sudan/nubia, 40 percent of amhara, 36 percent in beja.


J1a is an anatolian subclade and its found in the aryan areas such as kurdistan

There r two theories of where the semitic J was originated, in yemen or in anatolia? Yemen traditions mention sanaa being founded by sam/shem

Why j-ydna- is mostly common in south arabia among socutra?

Do these tribes represent the earlieast migration to arabia therefore carry an older lineages?

comparison of history and genetics r very useful...in history we have a father figure like eber so all those who carry some sub-categories of the older J1a/J1a2a/j1a2b have the same semitic forefather
http://www.webcsc.com/forum/archive/ind ... 66098.html

[sahal80]

this is the marker of the arabs, jewish, habasha-modern semites-

Jewish-cohen/kahana-through the prophet aaron, its the haplogroup of quraysh and the prophet mohamed



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1c3_(Y-DNA)

[SahanGalbeed]

My friends , identity is politics for us . Because our politics is different than yours { southern somalis } it doesn't mean anything else but that we will keep what works ...for us again .
We do not question your ancestry , nor do we really give a fu,ck ,kindly leave us alone.

[SahanGalbeed]

Anigu 23andme waaban ka shikisanahay oo free test iyo magacayga oo somali ah , nin walba isku dara kari e , ma aaminsani inaan somalidiina qaarkeed isku meel ka soo jeedno , wallahi iyo billahi .

[SteadyState]

J is found in negligible amounts among Somalis.

I'm assuming you have scientific evidence for this claim, and not some kind of poll reported on some useless website that would never pass for valid science?

[RoobleAlWaliid]

This shit is laughable wallahi

[SahanGalbeed]

Walaalayaal , si fiican aynu isu maqalno, okay ?
Horta wixii science-ka raba iney argument ka dhigtaan "golden rule " ka ninka science ka sheeganaya waxa weeye inaaney marnaba 'rule out" gareynin waxaaney "prove " gareyn karin . Waxaaba la yidha "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Ninkan Itrah , to quote skywalker waxaa ka muuqata

devious c..nt

To support his claim , wuxuu kusoo gelinaya warsangeli iyo carab saalax {daarood} iyo J 1234. Anagiina taayadi waa inoo diidan yahay. Sheikh Isaxaaq buugaag taariikheed baa laga qoray ilaa iyo halkii u ku aasna ba la tusay .
Inta kale waxaan leeyahay , horta meeshan waxa la isku haysta , I'm better than you " iyo" I am better than you "
Horta niman baa jira africada galbeed dega oo geela dhaqda , oo sawirkan yarkan gadabuursi ee rooblewaalid la yidha aad ka arki kartaan . Dadkaasi waxay ka leeyihiin qabaa'ilo {confederation} sida somali waxooga aan ka fogayn. Nimanka ugu tiro badan waa dirta oo kale { ma rabo inaan magacooga sheego} . Waxay aaminsanyihin iney ruux dumar ah ka tafiirmeen kuwaasi . Waa "majority"-ga ummadaas . Laba qaba'il baa iyaguna kula nool waddanka Mali la yidha . Kuwaasi waa kuwa halgan jabhadeed kasta ka danbeeya { tafiirtoodu wadaado carab ah bay ku xidhantahay} iyo qolo kale oo dhexda iyaguna taagan oo { tafiirtoodu wadaado kale oo carab ah bay ku xidhantahay} inkasta oo anay carab isku sheegin marnaba , ilayn luuqad iyo far u gaar ah bay leeyihin ma'ogtahay ? Haddaba qoloda dirta ah , nacayb-ka iyo cuqdada ay u hayaan nimankan jabhadeeya, waxabay ka raacan dhagaxdi oo ciidamadda Mali bay la saftaan oo walaalahood xabadda ku ridan
Anigu haddan Isaaq ahay , I am better than all of you , here is my evidence --> walaa dir abaheed walaa jaan hoyadeed baa dhisatay waxaan inaga ahayn .

[nord]

There are specific E1b1b haplogroups that have nothing to do with Somalis though. E-V13, for instance, is found mostly in the Balkans/Greece and the southern Mediterranean. That has nothing to do with the Somali E1b1b. By the same way, there are e1b1b haplogroups found in the middle-east and North Africa that have nothing to do with the Somali version of the E1b1b and are separated from them by tens of thousands of years. Also, a lot of Somalis have T-haplogroup which is found all over the world. Does that mean a Somali man with T haplogroup genes is directly descended form a Levantine with the same haplogroup? No because these markers were separated over thousands of years.

The only people who descend from arabs in the Somali Peninsula are Cadcads/Barwaanis/Reer Xamaris and they aren't even ethnic Somalis.

All true, but there are three more clans that may possible descent from a recent foreign patriach:

Sheekhaal -> R1a1a from Pakistan.
Warsangelis -> J1a2b from Yemen
Yibirs -> J2b from Israel

All other clans in Somalia are either E1b1b1 or T1a, which are both ancient in the region and can't have come from recent foreign patriarchs.

Sheekhaal claim descent from a hijazi, and Harari woman. Have they been tested?

[zumaale]

Sahal has a point. My knowledge of how the different Sheekhal clans link up to Faqi Cumar is limited. However, it might very well be the case that it is a confederation of sorts from a genetic point of view. The Gandarshe are definitely of exotic origins judging by their phenotype. I guess the Aw Qutub and Loobage will have to be tested to determine if they are regular Horners or also of exotic origins. Reer Aw Xassans recently left the Sheekhal umbrella and some of them turned out to be E-V32 according to the info on James Dahl's Spreadsheet.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Because I equate it with a certain trend{fashion} in all human beings as to who can debunk a myth

case in point
One {me as an example }will say banana grow on trees

Comes Itrah with

Although we all call it a “banana tree” the stem doesn’t contain true woody tissue. In reality it is a herbaceous plant, or “herb”. Spread the word.

jokers!

Is the idea of being an arab so dear to you that you've resorted to facetious straw-man arguments?

SMH carab baa maskaxda idinka addoonsatay.