Need help understanding Dir clan

[sahal80]

Mayo the writer is a digil

caqli xumadiina waxaad rabtaan dad walaale ah inaad kala jartaan so you can make them your brothers kkkkk

Im man of sources and this story is only told by dir

Subhanallah you even claim wardaay!

we know a lot of clans who claim others but this is rubbish until the other clan confirms it
they have an english-based kenyan site wich is full of their abtirsi and history and they never mention dir

garres samaale account, show me where is the dir?
http://www.garreonline.com/Caruurta%20Garre.html

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Saaxib that's one dusty site from 2007 written by a Garre of the Samaale branch.

Quranyow is Maxamed Xiniftire Mahe Dir in ancestry. You have a hard time comprehending this. Garre is a confederation.
Let me take this amateurishly written piece from the site

Garre (Gharri) wuxuu dhalley laba wil. Mid waxaa la dhahiin jiray tuf midka kale waxaa la dhihi jirey Maxaamed. Maxaamed waa wilka uu wayn. Ilmaha Garre. Maxaamed marku dhaley wilka layiirado quraan aayu dhintay. quraan waxaa soo koriyey adderkiisa Tuf. Quraan ;markuu waynadey wuuxu gursadey gebedhii adeerkiisa Mako Tuf. Quraan wuuxu dhaley laba will oo layiirado Assarre iyo Furkushe. Tuf wuxuu dhalley laba wiil oo la kala yiraahdo Cali iyo Adolle

You can tell it's amateurishly written. There are 2 Garre's, the Quranyow and the Tuuf.
The amateur who wrote that had no clue that the Maxamed he mentioned was in fact, Maxamed Xiniiftire (Mahe Dir) and Quranyow is his son. He is probably the Garre of the Samaale branch(Tuuf).

[zumaale]

The Quranyo section of the Garre claim descent from Dirr, who are born of the Irrir Samal.

http://www.undp.org/content/dam/kenya/d ... ay2010.pdf

We claim the Quranyow and they claim us too like it or not.

This is part of an executive summary published by the UNDP Kenya on Conflicts in Greater Mandera. Any man can create a website and write all sorts of propaganda but several neutral sources have recorded the Quranyow asserting that they are Dir. Tuf are Gardheere Samaale, I do not disagree but Quranyow ain't by abtirsi and that is all that matters so hit the road Sahal .

[BlueBlood]

waryaada are u sure warday are dir? back home, warday are considered to be non-somali tribe walahi..first time im hearing that warday are dir

[zumaale]

Nah, they are remnants of the Orma that got trapped in Lower Jubba. They asked to take their TFG seats as Dir but they are Oromo by descent.

[gegiroor]

I wanted to write a piece, but copy pasta is easier.

Garre split strictly into two parts, Tuf and Quranyow. Tuf are neither Hawiye or Raxanweyn. They are related to Galjeecel and Degoodis in belonging to Gardheere Samaale according to their oral history. Quranyow (religious nickname) Maxamed Xiniftere Mahe Dir was a Wadaad who married Tufs daughter and that is how the two became alligned. Gunther Schlee did a lot of research on the Garres and his findings also support their oral abtirsi. Only in the South do they come under the Raxanweyn confederation due to their isolation from other Garres and assimilation into the Digil umbrella. The Garres in Mandheera district are mostly Quranyow whilst the ones in Moyaale/Marsabit are Tuf.



The following is an abtirsi submitted to James Dahl by a Digil Garre Quranyow individual.

http://www.abtirsi.com/forum/viewtopic. ... irsiLang=1

The Garre is a confederation, Somalis don't forget their abtirsi. Also you have Dirs in the Sheekhaal confederation too.

Let me stop you right there. Garre speak a distinct language, so how can they be DM, Gardheere, or Dir? I think Garre and Dabarre should be classified as distinct tribes within the Somali society since they have their own separate languages.

If you even study Gabooye and Anaas (Yibir), they are also distinct tribes from the rest of the Somalis since they have had their own languages that were different than the other Somalis. The Gabooye's language is extinct, but the last I know the Anaas (Yibir) language was still surviving in Somali territories in the Horn.

Bottom line most of the clan groupings are wrong and some white man writing about it does not tell the whole story. I think there should be Somali institutions who dig the different languages that different Somali tribes (remember I said tribes and not clans) speak, and considerable time should be devoted so facts can be understood. Until such time, I won't follow what one white man after he talked to few Somalis.

My challenge if some parts of Garre is Dir and other part is Gardheere, why do they speak a distinct language that only Garre people understand?

My conclusion is they are distinct tribe still surviving in East Africa whose language is much closer to Somalis.

[LobsterUnit]

Suugo science by gerigoor.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Linguistic arguments are weak, when there is genetics. You're argument would have been better in the end of the 19th century or the beginning/middle of the 20th century.

Languages develops over time, by isolation or contact with different ethnic groups.

Gegiroor do you think these White anthropologists were just picking their nose and writing down what came to their minds. They interviewed countless individuals.

[JSL3000]

Dir Dir Dir Diriye.