its going down in facebook

[Itrah]

one of them ladies claimed gabdhaheena waa british lol

British baan nahay

God Save the Queen

[jalaaludin5]

This girls reminded me of the old school snet beef.

Googarad iyo Ahlaan Allaw Dhawr wherever they are
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[Kareem99]

I am from the South and she can burn the Blue Flag for all I care.

Nationalism is facade and even more so when it comes to Somalis.

The Blue Flag is waved falsely by Somalis when most of us are loyal to their Qabil first.

At least Isaaqs keep it real and do not hide behind fake cries of Somalinimo.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Aniga oo nin Surre ah, oo dadkiisa iyo tolkiisa jecel, wallahi I have more in common with a Darood/Hawiye man who holds onto his Muslim and Somali identity, than a Surre man who denounces Islam and that which makes us Somali (language and culture, shared physical traits and genetics). And by your logic, Isaaqs are actually not keeping it real, or they wouldn't for "Somalilaandnimo." If you're going to criticize every Somali qabiil, I don't know why you're excluding Isaaq.

Oh how the enemies love that we fight and kill each other.

The Christian/timojileec/American man doesn't see Surre iyo Mareexaan iyo Sacad, he sees Somali, Somali, and Somali.

By keeping it real I was referring to how Somaliland and Isaaq are one and the same from a Realpolitik perspective. Harti and Gadabursi are, in general, not fervent supporters of Somaliland. If Somaliland is recognised, anyone who is not Isaaq will by default be a second class citizen in my opinion.

Nonetheless, I am a firm believer in self determination and every clan should be left to manage its own affairs. The interests of Isaaqs are best served in a one clan state of their own. The Gadabursi and Harti should given the choice of making up their own minds.

Lastly, I never once stated I would side with a Gaal Surre over a Muslim Somali from another clan. Nonetheless, if I was given a choice between putting a bullet in the head of a Somali that threatens my clan directly or a random Xabashi soldier in K5, I would empty my magazine in the Somali. Ethiopians opened their border to my folk when they were being attacked by their 'fellow' Somali and if it wasn't for their bullets, we wouldn't have got a chance at vengeance. I know where my priorities lie.

Place me in Kabxanleey and I would do no different than what my kinsmen did, I too know where my priorities lie. We're talking about survival, and that is war. What happens during a war should not dictate how I treat (or speak of) fellow Somalis, especially in a land far away from Somalia and in peace (diaspora). Why carry that cuqdaad (not saying you have cuqdaad, but generally speaking here)all the way to England, or America, or Canada? Here, we're viewed as one, and should therefore work together as one. Yar Xawaadle ah, aan iskool isla dighanay, muxuu iga sameeyay? Dambigiisa muxuu yayay? How about the Darood or Hawiye kids born in the diaspora, how are they responsible for what happened in Somalia 20 years ago?

If we want any semblance of economic prosperity, and a unified Somali voice that serves our interest here in the diaspora, we're better served by putting our differences aside. Saying things like "ethnic Somali" is a fabricated concept, or "Somalinimo" is fake... that is doing much more harm than good. I feel the same joy when Somalis succeed, and I feel the same sadness when they struggle, regardless of the qabiil. To Allah belongs all praises. But I owe my integration here in the diaspora, and the landing of several jobs, to a couple of Somali fellas. And no, they weren't Surre, nor were they even Dir.

[zumaale]

Now you are assuming. Look at that thread called 'Religion or Qabil' for my stance on Somalinimo.

In the West, Somalinimo exists because we are in a foreign land and we are more or less tied at the hip because we are in a foreign land. Consequently, I take every Somali as an individual.

However, I do not forget my kin back home and many diaspora Somalis also do not, particularly Old Skool Somalis. We might Salam each other after Friday prayer whilst wiring money back home to our respective warring clans. That is the reality of our predicament.

I don't wish harm anyone but if someone unfairly wishes harm on my people, he is my enemy. You continue believing in a Somalinimo that does not truly operate within Somalia. As things stand, my prime enemy is a Somali. Maybe at some point in the future, we might overcome our clan differences till then make sure to continue paying the Qaaran money lol bro.

[BlueBlood]

bro somalis are inherently qabiilistiyaal, yesterday this woman was blaming me for an action done by some guy who shares my tribe,,,the woman was like " ragiina dumarka waad xumeeysaan" i was

[zumaale]

Kareem

By the way, my stance on the Somali ethnic group being a group of people that do not share a common paternal ancestry is a scientific fact. Few ethnic groups in the world are unmixed. I am not slandering Somalis, just emphasising that isku Awoowo manoho, ma been ba? Somali waa isbaheysi, maahan dad isku isir leh and to say so is the truth.

[BigBreak]

hablaha zoomalia are loose *&%&* - italian controlled primates

[Kareem99]

Now you are assuming. Look at that thread called 'Religion or Qabil' for my stance on Somalinimo.

In the West, Somalinimo exists because we are in a foreign land and we are more or less tied at the hip because we are in a foreign land. Consequently, I take every Somali as an individual.

However, I do not forget my kin back home and many diaspora Somalis also do not, particularly Old Skool Somalis. We might Salam each other after Friday prayer whilst wiring money back home to our respective warring clans. That is the reality of our predicament.

I don't wish harm anyone but if someone unfairly wishes harm on my people, he is my enemy. You continue believing in a Somalinimo that does not truly operate within Somalia. As things stand, my prime enemy is a Somali. Maybe at some point in the future, we might overcome our clan differences till then make sure to continue paying the Qaaran money lol bro.

I'm not assuming cuz, if memory serves me , you said something along the lines of... the concept of the Somali ethnic group being fake, or Somalinimo being non-existent or fake.

Bro, did you not just read what I said about putting me in Kabxanleey? I'm not blind bro. I'm just saying, don't equate war time with peace time. As much as I love my tol, the hatred of another qabiil doesn't blind me here, miles and miles away from Somalia. My proposition is a simple and very achievable one, and it's mainly to Somalis here in the diaspora: focus on our similarities and work together to be a highly dignified community, hadduu Rabbi idmo. That doesn't make me any less Surre or Dir. I hope you can see that.

Bluebood: brother, you're absolutely right. But with education and time, a lot can be achieved. Soon enough, people will become intelligent enough and not blame an innocent Somali kid born here with the crimes committed another.

[Kareem99]

Zumaale: yup, isku isir ma nihin. Laakin that doesn't mean I'm not related to Daarood or Hawiye. We're still Somalis bro.

[Amira143]

hablaha zoomalia are loose *&%&* - italian controlled primates

Isla yaab!


Kareem, The voice of reason, MashaAllah.

[zumaale]

Kareem

Bro, if Somalinimo' really existed back home, we wouldn't be a failed state. Somalis, in general, owe loyalty to their clan first and that has always been the case in our nomadic past.

Yes, the idea that Somalis descend from one man is fake.

Lastly, I do not hate non Dir Somalis, I just know who my enemy is and I am impartial to everyone else. Dhulmi Dooni Mayo.

[zumaale]

Zumaale: yup, isku isir ma nihin. Laakin that doesn't mean I'm not related to Daarood or Hawiye. We're still Somalis bro.

What has being related to someone got to do with Isir?

Never have I once said you cannot be related to another clan. FFS, habeen iyo malin wala iswasa!

When I talk about Isir, I am talking about my paternal lineage and being Somali does not automatically mean I share a lineage with other Somalis.

[BlueBlood]

zumaale since you consider somalis as your first enemies...rank this hawiya and darood subtribes from firecest rival to the least. lol this will us know where we stand
MJ..OG..MR..HG..AB..HAWADLE..MURURSADE..DHULBAHANTE..GAALJECEL

[Kareem99]

Zumaale,

Saying things like "Somali ethnicity" is a fabricated concept gives the impression that you're distancing yourself from non-Dirs. We intermarried and lived with amongst each other for centuries, to the point that we became virtually indistinguishable from one another. We share virtually identical genes (notwithstanding our "isir"), speak the same language, have the same religion, and share a beautiful culture. Why would you feel the need to continually emphasize that we don't share the same paternal ancestry? Isn't that something that is etched in our oral history to begin with?

Anyways, I know you're not a hater, waana ogahay in aanan dulmi doonaynin. I engage with you because, even in our differences, you are one of the few who keeps it civil.

Have a good night fellas

[zumaale]

zumaale since you consider somalis as your first enemies...rank this hawiya and darood subtribes from firecest rival to the least. lol this will us know where we stand
MJ..OG..MR..HG..AB..HAWADLE..MURURSADE..DHULBAHANTE..GAALJECEL

I only consider those that unfairly point a gun at me as an enemy.

A naive Somali in the diaspora is not an enemy, I am talking about the reality of Somali society back home. I cannot walk in a Tuulo of a clan that I am at war with and vice versa.

Is that so hard to understand!