Ramifications of Exclusion from Vision 2016 Processes

[JSL3000]

So whenever somalia makes a mistake it damages nfd, somalida ethiopia, somaliland and djibouti image we are all neighbors

[VeiledGarbasar]

The majority of Somalis want peace success and prosperity, it is only a few opportunistic individuals from the West and Somalia that manipulate and take advantage of the status quo. However, everyone is fed up now, and things can only get better InshaAllah.

[Rambie]

Look in this brief report from the security council
They're identifying "Khatumoo" as the separatist
party (not Soamliland )

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 15_702.pdf

Khatuumo is seen as separatist from both Somailand and Puntland and the reference was about Khatuumo. Somaliland is seen as a separatist from Somalia............apples and oranges.

Nop, the 14th point was about Sool & Sanaag not Somaliland.
Somaliland political stand is clear from over two decades, that is why it is
part of Somalia report in the Security council. But the surprise is Khatumoo being
reduced into a weak military movement that only exists in Buuhoodle and few isolated pockets in Sool.

If the world is seeing you as the separatist in the heartland of your own claimed territory,
than it says a lot about legitimacy of Katumoo. Not to mention, solidifying SL & PL claims over Sool & Sanaag

[Rambie]

You don't get anything through talking you only get it through killing your enemy denying of the existence of Dhulbahante trash who work for isaaq is a big mistake second problem is mj these 2 groups have to be killed off their existence is the sole couse of all our problems
As for isaaq what they do is irrelevant they have no man on the ground when they do deploy their own men they usually get there ass kicked
Maybe ali khalif should start listening

When will you stop calcaling and whaling you little
foot soldier? You always bitch about Isaaq, Mj's and other Dhulos.

FYI, Somaliland forces did inter Laascanod in 2007 so did Puntland, but we won at the end.

[gegiroor]

Waryaa been loo sheegayaa?

Waar there are no Dhulbahante united behind Khaatumo, and Ali Khalif has no consensus. He is no different than me other than being a former Somali politician.

The truth about this gathering is, the meeting was sponsored by the US Embassy in Nairobi after initial contact was initiated by certain elders from those regions, and they want to meet with the traditional elders of the two clans mentioned. The traditional federal government and PL was also consulted as well.

We will see how it develops but anyone who tells you Khaatumo has a mandate is outright lying. Anyhow, the American embassy meets clan representatives as usual. The topic of federal state for Sool and Sanaag came up, and this is a feasibility study that has not materialized.

It is better for people to get realistic.

[gegiroor]

its a fact that both sool and sanaag are each composed of an isaaq majority and that the harti of somaliland need to understand and an independent, united somaliland is their only option if they wish to survive

Isaaq being majority in Sool and Sanaag? Waar in Sool, you're not even a 10%, and Sanaag is overwhelmingly Warsangeli with at least 65% of the territory. Out of the 5 districts in Sanaag, three is settled by Warsangeli: Dhahar, Badhan, and Laasqoray. Erigavo district is shared, and Ceel-Afwyen is the only district that is exclusively Isaaq.

As for Sool, if we look at the pre-1991 districts, three is exclusively settled Dhulbahante: Taleex, Laascaaanood, and Hudun. The only district that is party settled by Isaaq is Caynabo. In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Why people lie is just beyond me.

[thegoodshepherd]

In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

Bohol is in Ceerigabo district, Sanaag. They have no town in Hudun.

[theyuusuf143]

its a fact that both sool and sanaag are each composed of an isaaq majority and that the harti of somaliland need to understand and an independent, united somaliland is their only option if they wish to survive

Isaaq being majority in Sool and Sanaag? Waar in Sool, you're not even a 10%, and Sanaag is overwhelmingly Warsangeli with at least 65% of the territory. Out of the 5 districts in Sanaag, three is settled by Warsangeli: Dhahar, Badhan, and Laasqoray. Erigavo district is shared, and Ceel-Afwyen is the only district that is exclusively Isaaq.

As for Sool, if we look at the pre-1991 districts, three is exclusively settled Dhulbahante: Taleex, Laascaaanood, and Hudun. The only district that is party settled by Isaaq is Caynabo. In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Why people lie is just beyond me.

We all know who is majoriy in each district there is no question about that. We also know Somaliland is the Dominant force in all Sool and sanaag regions. Other factions are weak tribally motivated actors , and puntland is obviosly the weakest link outside politics. I think the notherners should discuss their future destiny peacefully majerten have no place between us and they are not shareholders in any of Sool and sanaag districs.
There is no disputed land there is political disagreement between ourselves.

[Ron]

Sool and Sanaag provinces were part of Burco in the original 8 gobols of Somalia - two in waqooyi, hargeysa and togdheer burco and 8 gobols south Somalia when the European colonies left in 1960s
the kacaan military dictatorship had created laascaanood for gobol in 1984 - markaa khatumo wax jira maaha
dhulkan Britain nooga tagtay and we had made a mistake joining wanlaweyn in 1960 and the SNM had corrected that qalad in 1990s

we have the optimistic voice of the people to be an independent S/Land;
the legality behind that we were a state between 1884-1960;
and we are independent from muqdisho or somaliweyn policies and we have our own territory, government, flag and currency

[theyuusuf143]

Khaatumo and its Pres. Ali Khalif Galaydh are a pragmatic bunch, who have changed the political mindset and vision of Dhulbahante.

Beforehand, the clan lacked political leadership; led by idealistic and divided Garaad who had one foot in SL and the other in PL but supported and rallied behind the hopes of a return of a united pre-civil war Somalia controlled via Mogadishu.

We can all agree Dhulbahante have been completely out of touch with the post-civil war political dynamics in Somalia.

Accordingly, Prof. Ali Khalif has methodically laid out the truth to Dhulbahante. Today, we are in this alone, forget about Daroodnimo, Hartinimo, and Somalinimo; just like everyone we must seek our own interests above all. Khaatumo did not sell out and engage our neighbors to reach our goals. Instead of calling for war vs. SL, Khaatumo opted to strengthen local political awareness/participation (in this context war is not in the interest of all parties involved), and exercised diplomatic channels to assess the available modes of inclusion in national programs such as Vision 2016.

The federal gov't and international stakeholders now have a renewed interest in the area, but for several reasons refuse to give Khaatumo a seat at the table. Not because it recognizes PL as the sole representative of this population per se, but are apprehensive and cautiously tiptoeing around the conundrum in the disputed regions.

Finally after concluding a much needed meeting in Buuhoodle with politicians and elders representing the Warsangeli clan, a high level delegation from Khaatumo and Makhir (Warsan) departed to Nairobi to meet with international stakeholders and diplomats with a vested interest in Somalia and then to Mogadishu.

Their agenda is to reiterate their desire to be included in the National Vision 2016 plans? Request a seat at the table, with Dhulbahante and Warsangeli united as a joint stakeholder. And be given a definitive answer, will they be included or excluded?

And if they are not included, for all parties (SFG and IC) to support talks/dialogue with Somaliland. It is simple, today we will weigh our options, if there is no room at the table we will explore other avenues.

Minus the cantarbaqash, how do you guys see the cookie crumbling at the end? Or efforts in Hiiran and Shabeele Dhexe will finalize the processes w/o meaningful engagement in Sool and Sanaag?

Mr galaydh is divisive figure , The only thing warsans are benefiting collaborating with him is a full scale Somaliland military operation in their eastern sanaag . They better keep low profile and collect their multiple budget peacefully. Its clear Somaliland wont vacate any where in its territory without a blood shed. any one who is in support of this idea should prapare for war. Neither Western countries nor Somalia has something to say here. at the end of the of the day the game is between we and you and the rest will be watching from Mogadishu and Nairobi. Who is the fool?

[Rambie]

its a fact that both sool and sanaag are each composed of an isaaq majority and that the harti of somaliland need to understand and an independent, united somaliland is their only option if they wish to survive

Isaaq being majority in Sool and Sanaag? Waar in Sool, you're not even a 10%, and Sanaag is overwhelmingly Warsangeli with at least 65% of the territory. Out of the 5 districts in Sanaag, three is settled by Warsangeli: Dhahar, Badhan, and Laasqoray. Erigavo district is shared, and Ceel-Afwyen is the only district that is exclusively Isaaq.

As for Sool, if we look at the pre-1991 districts, three is exclusively settled Dhulbahante: Taleex, Laascaaanood, and Hudun. The only district that is party settled by Isaaq is Caynabo. In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Why people lie is just beyond me.

We already been there Geg,

Sool & Sanaag.

[Methylamine]

Isaaq being majority in Sool and Sanaag? Waar in Sool, you're not even a 10%, and Sanaag is overwhelmingly Warsangeli with at least 65% of the territory. Out of the 5 districts in Sanaag, three is settled by Warsangeli: Dhahar, Badhan, and Laasqoray. Erigavo district is shared, and Ceel-Afwyen is the only district that is exclusively Isaaq.

As for Sool, if we look at the pre-1991 districts, three is exclusively settled Dhulbahante: Taleex, Laascaaanood, and Hudun. The only district that is party settled by Isaaq is Caynabo. In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Why people lie is just beyond me.

Thanks for making my day qudhun

[Ron]

its a fact that both sool and sanaag are each composed of an isaaq majority and that the harti of somaliland need to understand and an independent, united somaliland is their only option if they wish to survive

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Burco is the largest district and xarunta gobolka Togdheer

[Rambie]

Guys leave him alone.

[QaxootiWaaxid]

Isaaq being majority in Sool and Sanaag? Waar in Sool, you're not even a 10%, and Sanaag is overwhelmingly Warsangeli with at least 65% of the territory. Out of the 5 districts in Sanaag, three is settled by Warsangeli: Dhahar, Badhan, and Laasqoray. Erigavo district is shared, and Ceel-Afwyen is the only district that is exclusively Isaaq.

As for Sool, if we look at the pre-1991 districts, three is exclusively settled Dhulbahante: Taleex, Laascaaanood, and Hudun. The only district that is party settled by Isaaq is Caynabo. In Hudun district, you only have a small town named Bohol in this district.

In Todgheer region, the largest district is Buuhoodle, and it is overwhelmingly DH.

Why people lie is just beyond me.

Thanks for making my day qudhun

wallahi that was some funny shit lmao