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Putin's boost in battle against ISIS: China preparing to 'team up with Russia in Syria'

The latest actions at the UN conference have come amid reports, citing key military sources, Chinese warships have made their way to Syrian shores through the Suez Canal.

It was said China's J-15 warplanes would launch from an aircraft carrier for attacks on ISIS
Russian media followed that up by quoting Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs, confirming Chinese aircraft carrier, Lianoning, and a guided missile cruiser were heading to the area, and adding Chinese military advisers were already in the region.

Mr Morozov said: "It is known that China has joined our military operation in Syria.

"The Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, followed by its aircraft carrier."

These reports have not been verified by China and satellite images show the Syrian port of Tartus, currently empty.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610 ... ainst-ISIS

Gurey and other military expert. Any truth to China joining the War? So far what has China been doing secretly? No way does China stay out of this war, major political and geostrategic changes are occurring and Syria is the starting point

Oxidant wrote:Any truth to China joining the War? So far what has China been doing secretly? No way does China stay out of this war, major political and geostrategic changes are occurring and Syria is the starting point

I think its idle talk.

The chinese aircraft carrier is not ready yet, it is still undergoing trials, also the carrier needs a group of support ships,
like frigates/destroyers , supply ships etc...
They are not ready yet and should be ready in mid 2016.

but then again the chinese are notorious for being black boxes.
nobody knows what they hell they are upto or capabilities.

grandpakhalif wrote:Do you think Russian troops can touch NATO Turkish Planes who are flying missions all over Nothern Syria against PKK and ISIL targets.

did you forget Turkey has US supplied Patriot Missiles directed at Moscow Its checkmate for Putin and now he has to leave the poor Turkmen alone when he attempted Grozny style takeover

Yes if its just turkish planes then they are outmatched technologically,
it would be no contest for the SU-30 and 34 facing Turkish F-16's, you would need 2 f-16's for every Su-30 to make it a challenge,
and 3 or more against each Su-30 to make sure you win.

as patriot missles?? they are out of context, did you just google S-400 and look at what wikipedia said were the equivalants?
they are not the same, the patriot is of a generation behind the S-300 series, and cannot be used offensively because of its low range and capabilities.
ITs a defensive weapon, against aircraft and cruise missles, and not very good at that either.
While the S-400 is 400KM miminum it can be used offensively.
Why do you think there is a joint agreement for communication between the ISrealis and the Russians?
The Russians had to make sure the Isrealis are not worried, they will not be targetted. Why go to all this trouble?
Its because the S-400 system can hit any plane taking off from any airfield in Isreal, any , even the S-300 can do this but you have to move it to the golan border. The S-400 from Kuweiris and Tartus can do it from there.
It can also be used as a Surface to Surface missle, thats what i meant by hitting any plane taking off from any airfield..

We are talking about an entire generation ahead of the patriot, why do you think Erdogan went out of his way to try to Buy the HQ-9 system from China? Its china's less capable copy of the S-300 system. The HQ-9 is so much better than the patriot that is leased from the Americans.
As ususal the US forced erdogan to cancel the purchase, even after the agreement was signed..

The US is good at somethings and terrible at other things, Air defence missiles, and missiles in general even ballastic missiles and Space launch vehicles are crap. The European Aster system by france, italy and UK is far superior to anything the US has..

The Russians are behind in processor and chipset technology, but are upto date with Solid state electronics, and are ahead of the rest of the world in high energy Physics,like plasma, they were practically alone in the field of hydrodynamics till the 80's,
and are ahead in electronic warfare.

gurey25 wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:
The US is good at somethings and terrible at other things, Air defence missiles, and missiles in general even ballastic missiles and Space launch vehicles are crap. The European Aster system by france, italy and UK is far superior to anything the US has..

The Russians are behind in processor and chipset technology, but are upto date with Solid state electronics, and are ahead of the rest of the world in high energy Physics,like plasma, they were practically alone in the field of hydrodynamics till the 80's,
and are ahead in electronic warfare.

When you talk about things like that, I realise truly how far we are behind the rest of the world. Not to mention the emergence of Graphene, rail-guns and electro-thermal weapons.

BTW, check your PM.

Gury how do you know all these stuff?
Did you used to work as a military advisor or something?

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:When you talk about things like that, I realise truly how far we are behind the rest of the world. Not to mention the emergence of Graphene, rail-guns and electro-thermal weapons.

do not under estimate people, humans have the capability to surprise..
anyone can learn..

Rambie wrote:Gury how do you know all these stuff?
Did you used to work as a military advisor or something?

good god know..
everything i know is available to everyone, todays its even more available.
back when i started i relied on hard copy books, today you wikipedia, and journals and forums.
imagine being a 14 year old and reading Jane's ..

It started with Love of History, history lead to war, curiosity lead to weapons.
I was also reading science journals and magazines like popular science , as well as science fiction.

and the biggest impact is that i have a hobby writing alternate history fiction, and military science fiction.
so extensive research on the topics and keeping upto date with the current technology is important, for my hobby.

why this topic has two titles?

gurey25 wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:Do you think Russian troops can touch NATO Turkish Planes who are flying missions all over Nothern Syria against PKK and ISIL targets.

did you forget Turkey has US supplied Patriot Missiles directed at Moscow Its checkmate for Putin and now he has to leave the poor Turkmen alone when he attempted Grozny style takeover

Yes if its just turkish planes then they are outmatched technologically,
it would be no contest for the SU-30 and 34 facing Turkish F-16's, you would need 2 f-16's for every Su-30 to make it a challenge,
and 3 or more against each Su-30 to make sure you win.

as patriot missles?? they are out of context, did you just google S-400 and look at what wikipedia said were the equivalants?
they are not the same, the patriot is of a generation behind the S-300 series, and cannot be used offensively because of its low range and capabilities.
ITs a defensive weapon, against aircraft and cruise missles, and not very good at that either.
While the S-400 is 400KM miminum it can be used offensively.
Why do you think there is a joint agreement for communication between the ISrealis and the Russians?
The Russians had to make sure the Isrealis are not worried, they will not be targetted. Why go to all this trouble?
Its because the S-400 system can hit any plane taking off from any airfield in Isreal, any , even the S-300 can do this but you have to move it to the golan border. The S-400 from Kuweiris and Tartus can do it from there.
It can also be used as a Surface to Surface missle, thats what i meant by hitting any plane taking off from any airfield..

We are talking about an entire generation ahead of the patriot, why do you think Erdogan went out of his way to try to Buy the HQ-9 system from China? Its china's less capable copy of the S-300 system. The HQ-9 is so much better than the patriot that is leased from the Americans.
As ususal the US forced erdogan to cancel the purchase, even after the agreement was signed..

The US is good at somethings and terrible at other things, Air defence missiles, and missiles in general even ballastic missiles and Space launch vehicles are crap. The European Aster system by france, italy and UK is far superior to anything the US has..

The Russians are behind in processor and chipset technology, but are upto date with Solid state electronics, and are ahead of the rest of the world in high energy Physics,like plasma, they were practically alone in the field of hydrodynamics till the 80's,
and are ahead in electronic warfare.

This effectively means a No fly zone in syria for non Russian belligerrents, the US will have a swift response and will not tolerate losing this strategic war to rid the scourge of asssad.

I can't wait until this weak incompetent sissy Obama is gone, the US will hit hard with the new President. Who knew Russsia wold become a bigger enemy to Sunni syrians than US, atleast they were only targetting ISIL/NUsra

Gurey, what did I warn you? Israel has far more advanced radar technology and caught a Russian plane straying into Israeli controlled occupied Golan heights, they were quickly escorted and told to fock off. Dont underestimate Israel, if these SAMS are so powerful Russians wouldn't be scared shitless when ISrael escorts them out of the their zone. Its a small "sorry we foked up", unlike in Turkey where they were going in and out disrespecting Turkish air sovereignty

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-plane-ente ... 41440.html

grandpakhalif wrote:This effectively means a No fly zone in syria for non Russian belligerrents, the US will have a swift response and will not tolerate losing this strategic war to rid the scourge of asssad.

I can't wait until this weak incompetent sissy Obama is gone, the US will hit hard with the new President. Who knew Russsia wold become a bigger enemy to Sunni syrians than US, atleast they were only targetting ISIL/NUsra

yes it is the enforcement of Syrian sovereignty, the sovereignty of nations and international law is the main thing that the Russians are interested in, same with the chinese.
They do not like the fact that the west can end the existance of any country it wishes, ignore and shit on international law when it suits them.
They want the west to be accountable and behave itself.

Sissy Obama is level headed obama, if any of these neo-con crazies get in power, even they will hit a brick wall with the deep state.
The deep state in the US still has the ultimate power behind the scenes, they have lost allot of power to the Zionists but still can stand up to them.
The deep state will stop any irresponsible behavior from starting world war 3.

they will play the game of diplomacy.

grandpakhalif wrote:Gurey, what did I warn you? Israel has far more advanced radar technology and caught a Russian plane straying into Israeli controlled occupied Golan heights, they were quickly escorted and told to fock off. Dont underestimate Israel, if these SAMS are so powerful Russians wouldn't be scared shitless when ISrael escorts them out of the their zone. Its a small "sorry we foked up", unlike in Turkey where they were going in and out disrespecting Turkish air sovereignty

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-plane-ente ... 41440.html

first of, Turkey invades Syrian Airspace on a daily basis, or used to until recently,
they have invaded greek airspace over 2000 times as recently reported, same as iraq.
When you are flying next to a border you will have to cross occasionally for a few seconds, its the norm.

The Russians have done this dozens of times before, erdogan simply decided to ambush that plane. the russians assumed the turkyes to befriendly so
they sent them the flight course of every sortie in advance, as per agreements.

The Russians also crossed the ISreali border several times, the isrealis simply highlighted this particular event to troll the turks.

and isreali radar technology more advanced ???
why does the reputation of isreal scare you so much, isreal aignt shit..
its because its surrounded by mentally handicapped arabs that they shine so bright.
Do you know that isreali pilots routinely lose to belgians and french during joint exercises with nato?

The Russian and Iranians have got clear plan of what want in Syria regardless of whether it works for them.