Somalis of Somalinet, whats your opinion of the situation in Eritrea?

[Hararboy]

Eritrea funds Al-Shabaab so Ethiopia wastes its resources on Somalia rather than Eritrea.

You know the situation is so bad when your enemy of enemy (Eritrea) funds your enemy (AS) to fight your true enemy (Ethiopia).

The word, 'enemy' looks weird to me now.

The situation in the horn really does sound silly when you think about it
We are fucked as a race
We are fighting each other as the west africans are helping to build each other up. Pathetic

[Hararboy]

Eritreans flee Eritrea because Western nations specifically European countries grant them refugee status despite the fact that they do not fulfill the criteria. It's politically motivated, the goal is to drain Eritrea of its human capital. While the US on the other hand uses Ethiopia to instigate war.

God Bless Isaias Afwerki and Eritrea.

Its a bit of both. Eritreans like syrians are given preferential treatment by Europe( god bless their hearts), and so many do take the dangerous journey to Europe because they know they are guaranteed asylum in some of the richest nations in the world. But we cant dispel the facts. Isias Afewerki is a dictator who created a truly Orwellian state. And its been verified by many independent sources the atrocities and human rights abuses taking place in Eritrea. Eritreans aint like Ethiopian migrants - who are usually opportunistic refugees fleeing from poverty and not war or oppression as they like to claim. Most Eritreans are actually very patriotic and would die for their country, so hundreds of thousands of Eritrean refugees fleeing their country they fought so hard to build shows us that something is truly wrong with Eritrea.

[AwRastaale]

The West does not take nor encourage to take in Ethiopian refugees except very few on special visas.

Most Ethiopian refugees come to the West as "Eritrean refugees". The vast majority of them are Tigrais.

Basically the TPLF government tells the UN that they will house 'Eritrean refugees' in north Tigray. After that hundreds of Tigrais pretend to be Eritrean refugees who had crossed over. The UN then gives them refugee cards.

When that method doesn't work, the TPLF gov either intimidates the Eritreans fleeing Isaias or buys Eritrean ID cards of them for Tigrais.

Those ID cards used to be around $200USD but the last I knew of they hit the $700 mark.

Now you know why there are more Tigrais than Amhara or Oromo in certain Western countries despite their population ratio being 8:34 respectively.

The only place Amhara are majority is Washington DC, US.
There are roughly 300,000 Ethiopians in the DC area and the vast majority of them are Amhara.

Tigrais go to countries that take in massive Eritrean refugees such as Sweden, Australia, Italia, etc.

Watch the following video. Not about Eritrea but the formula remains the same.

[Hararboy]

The West does not take nor encourage to take in Ethiopian refugees except very few on special visas.

Most Ethiopian refugees come to the West as "Eritrean refugees". The vast majority of them are Tigrais.

Basically the TPLF government tells the UN that they will house 'Eritrean refugees' in north Tigray. After that hundreds of Tigrais pretend to be Eritrean refugees who had crossed over. The UN then gives them refugee cards.

When that method doesn't work, the TPLF gov either intimidates the Eritreans fleeing Isaias or buys Eritrean ID cards of them for Tigrais.

Those ID cards used to be around $200USD but the last I knew of they hit the $700 mark.

Now you know why there are more Tigrais than Amhara or Oromo in certain Western countries.

The only place Amhara are majority is Washington DC, US.
There are roughly 300,000 Ethiopians in the DC area and the vast majority of them are Amhara.

Tigrais go to countries that take in massive Eritrean refugees such as Sweden, Australia, Italia, etc.

Bullshit, Ive worked with migrants as a volunteer from both Eritrea and Tigray and you can tell by their accents who they are. The vast majority of Eritrean refugees are Eritrean. Perhpas some are Tigrais. That sounds like what an Afewerki apologist would say.

[AwRastaale]

Hararboy,

Relax. Read the comment again.

When Eritreans are fleeing and taking boats those are Eritreans. But the Tigrais in the West come as Eritreans. None of them take boats. All their applications are finalised within Ethiopia. It is one ticket from Addis to Melbourne Some of them go via Sudan.

In 2014 Eritrea changed its ID cards and added new biometric technology.

I'm surprised you say you are from Harar and unaware of the region.

Ps, you're lying you can't tell the accent of southern Kebessa from northern Tigrais for instance Serae and Adwa/Adigratis.

Example

[Revolutionary]

Aderi, who created and implanted TPLF? The answer should suffice why he is still in power.

afewerkis government has been funding anti Ethiopia terrorist groups in Somalia , so Eritrea is partly fuelling instability in the region although Ethiopia isn't helping either.

So, do you believe them? Al Shabab is an Islamic group whereas Isayas is not a Muslim, he comes from a hardcore Christian sect, prohibited Islam and turned Eritrea into a Marxist country.

He also fought Muslims and fronts in the past such as ELM, Jebha (ELF), Harakat Islamiya Eritrea, Bejas in Eastern Sudan and Afari rebels in S.Djibouti etc.

Al Shabab denied this long time ago and justified these points Ive mentioned.

It should have never become an independent country. There is no legitimate ethnic or cultural reason why Eritrea should be independent from Ethiopia.

You act as if Eritrea was part of Ethiopia, it was never was nor part of tribal enclaved Abyssinia which was located in the Gondar region. It was annexed attempted by Haile Selassie but never before it. In fact, Ethiopia was only about 4 decades old that time and about shortly after, they incorporated other ethnic regions (Sidama, Oromo, Gambella, Ogaden etc) through brute from the Abyssinian Plateau.

So in other word, the majority of the population in Ethiopia doesn't recognize the term Ethiopia. The tribes in Eritrea did for many hundred years before the Tigray (Tigrinia) terrorist began to increase migration as an aim to establish rule during the time of Ras Alula - Yohannes when they tried to copy Menelik II's South - Eastern strategic by concentrating on the North ward (Eritrea).

This is when they acquired modernized weapons from Europe hence the forcible expulsion of Jabarta Muslims into Eritrea because of their religion but Eritrea was protected due to the Beja invasion from Sudan and punished Yohannes. Until the Beja fell, Italy promised the Saho and the Afari leaders protection from the remnants of Ras Alula and Menelik II which resulted Eritrea into a colony of Italy.

I will post a thread soon about how the independence happened to clear it up for you.

[7anseba]

Aderi, who created and implanted TPLF? The answer should suffice why he is still in power.

afewerkis government has been funding anti Ethiopia terrorist groups in Somalia , so Eritrea is partly fuelling instability in the region although Ethiopia isn't helping either.

So, do you believe them? Al Shabab is an Islamic group whereas Isayas is not a Muslim, he comes from a hardcore Christian sect, prohibited Islam and turned Eritrea into a Marxist country.

He also fought Muslims and fronts in the past such as ELM, Jebha (ELF), Harakat Islamiya Eritrea, Bejas in Eastern Sudan and Afari rebels in S.Djibouti etc.

Al Shabab denied this long time ago and justified these points Ive mentioned.

It should have never become an independent country. There is no legitimate ethnic or cultural reason why Eritrea should be independent from Ethiopia.

Are you Eritrean Revolutionary? You pretty much summed it up except for the highlighted parts. ELM was crushed by ELF back in the 60s or early 70s since ELF saw itself as the sole front within Eritrea. Jebha was defeated by EPLF with the help of TPLF, which also drove out TLF (Tigrean Liberation Front - supported by ELF), but the main reason for ELFs fall was mass defections and a large portion of its fighters emigrating to the diaspora.

I believe that EPLF used the Bejas to fight Beshir because the Beshir government supported TPLF during the border war 98-00 with Eritrea. This was done by allowing Ethiopian troops to attack the town of Tessenei (right at the border of Sudan) from behind which caused large damages for the Eritreans. Therefore the Eritrean governement armed and supported the Beja, the South Sudanese and other rebel groups in Sudan.

[AwRastaale]

Our friend Revolutionary appears to be Eritrean while Anseba is clearly a Tigregu cleverly imposing as an Eritrean. Authentic Eritreans dislike the use of Anseba because that was a divide and conquer rule used by both Italy and the southern Mareb arch enemies (Tigrais).

The authentic name is Hamasien...anseba being Hamasien divided into two.

Having said that I agree with Revolutionary.

Eritrea was never really part of Ethiopia. It was briefly part of Axum Empire and in my views played central role (then Kebessa dominated the hinter-land Tigrais). But that state lived short after the central Agews crashed the party and in their 400 or so years rule----they hardly extended their authority over Eritrea. In fact, they abandoned the north and even moved their capital from Axum to Wag (Lalibela in present day Wollo).

When the Amhara emerged and established their own rule starting with Yekuno, they never took Amharic beyond parts of Meqelle in southern-central Tigray.

The Amhara changed hands with the Agews for the next 900 years and in all those years Amharic only expanded south. That 900 year old rule will be come to known as Abyssinia.

Apart from the time Ras Kassa of Tigray (later Emperor Yohannes IV) collaborated with the British in the late 1880s and won their arms and later sent Ras Alula Engida to Hamasien to vend off Egyptians----there was no real Abyssinian or Ethiopian presence in Eritrea.

The Church on the other hand freely operated in all Habesha lands but the Church authority did not lay with Ethiopia nor Eritrea but in Egypt's Alexandria. That is where Tewahedo was ruled from and is still to this day.

This does not mean Ethiopia did not use the Church to its advantage over the Eritreans. It often smuggled propaganda ideas within religion classes or gatherings.

Yohannes trying to win more arms from Britain, lap danced for them and told them he could make them safe passage into Sudan (from Yemen and Somaliland). But once the Mahdis discovered his plans, they declared war on him. He already harassed the Muslims and forced them to convert.

Eventually Beja man killed him and took his head with him to Sudan never to be seen again....and that takes us to Menelik II. Eritrea is still Ethiopia-free land but under Italian rule.

When Italy was defeated by the Allies, Eritrea was not placed under UN-Trusteeship like Somalia (south) and this was the American idea. They knew if they had given the UN a role that member states would vote for Eritrean independence and most likely Eritreans would not be US allies because Washington needs Ethiopia.

So they revised ingenious idea that Britain takes over and 'prepares Eritrean institutions'...Britain was of course YES boss to USA...it didn't resist the Somali regions.

It was only Haile Selassie who used the Americans to gain some control. He promised the Americans an army base in Eritrea if they backed Ethiopia's claim to Eritrea and the Somali Region (Ogaden and Haud). The Americans feared if they didn't take a base in Eritrea, right next to the heart of the Red Sea and the not so old Suez Canal-------Russia would make its way to Africa. That was the birth of the cold war in Africa.





The Haud

[Xildiiid]

Eritreans flee Eritrea because Western nations specifically European countries grant them refugee status despite the fact that they do not fulfill the criteria. It's politically motivated, the goal is to drain Eritrea of its human capital. While the US on the other hand uses Ethiopia to instigate war.

God Bless Isaias Afwerki and Eritrea.

Its a bit of both. Eritreans like syrians are given preferential treatment by Europe( god bless their hearts), and so many do take the dangerous journey to Europe because they know they are guaranteed asylum in some of the richest nations in the world. But we cant dispel the facts. Isias Afewerki is a dictator who created a truly Orwellian state. And its been verified by many independent sources the atrocities and human rights abuses taking place in Eritrea. Eritreans aint like Ethiopian migrants - who are usually opportunistic refugees fleeing from poverty and not war or oppression as they like to claim. Most Eritreans are actually very patriotic and would die for their country, so hundreds of thousands of Eritrean refugees fleeing their country they fought so hard to build shows us that something is truly wrong with Eritrea.

The underlying problems are;

• Crippling sanctions on Eritrea that hinders progress and economic development.

• Forced conscription because of the never ending threat of an Ethiopian invasion funded and encouraged by the US.

• European countries, such as Sweden, granting refugee status on the basis of simply being an Eritrean. In other words, it doesn't correspond with the UN's refugee convention of 1951.

[Lancer]

The North Korea of Africa..they worked so hard to break away only to stay underdeveloped, oppressive and stagnant like many african shitholes.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Who gives a f***? I hope the two sh*tholes burn down and all the half-Yemeni midgets swim back to Yemen.

[Itrah]

Who gives a f***? I hope the two sh*tholes burn down and all the half-Yemeni midgets swim back to Yemen.

You gotta keep track of what your neighbors are up to. (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania).
Man the situation in East Africa is really depressing.

I only see some hope for Kenya becoming semi-developed within a reasonable time frame to be honest. And the only reason for this is because they are politically the most Westernized.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Who gives a f***? I hope the two sh*tholes burn down and all the half-Yemeni midgets swim back to Yemen.

You gotta keep track of what your neighbors are up to. (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania).
Man the situation in East Africa is really depressing.

I only see some hope for Kenya becoming semi-developed within a reasonable time frame to be honest. And the only reason for this is because they are politically the most Westernized.

The situation in HOA correlates to their average IQ - 68. Man, I'm glad at least one of my ancestors was smart - either that or my ancestors secretly ate fish like there was no tomorrow.

As for Kenya, you are right about the British institutions. But I also think another reason is they are the most docile in East Africa. Not to mention the amount of influence and power of rich Cadaan, Arab and South Asian businessmen that steer the country and would not let it fail. Uganda and Tanzania are also doing well for themselves, relatively.

[Itrah]

The situation in HOA correlates to their average IQ - 68. Man, I'm glad at least one of my ancestors was smart - either that or my ancestors secretly ate fish like there was no tomorrow.

There is some speculative data suggesting that the average IQ in the Horn is more around 95-99 when nutritional/education deficiencies are accounted for:
Link: http://www.unz.com/article/closing-the- ... te-part-2/
95-99 isn't too bad, still you will have millions above a 100 and you can build a country on that.

The political system is what is killing the Horn.

Despotism in Eritrea
Illiberal democracy in Ethiopia and Djibouti.
Joke status in Somaliland
Semi-anarchism and Sharia nonsense in Somalia.

It's never going to improve much if the current systems are kept in place.

As for Kenya, I think the reason is they are the most docile in East Africa. Not to mention the amount of influence and power of rich Cadaan, Arab and South Asian businessmen that steer the country and would not let it fail. Uganda and Tanzania are also doing well for themselves, relatively.

That is somewhat true, but they are also the only ones in East Africa that kept the British political model largely intact. Kenya also has the most efficient rule of law in the region.

If I was a betting man I would bet on Kenya out of the East African countries.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

There is some speculative data suggesting that the average IQ in the Horn is more around 95-99 when nutritional/education deficiencies are accounted for:
Link: http://www.unz.com/article/closing-the- ... te-part-2/
95-99 isn't too bad, still you will have millions above a 100 and you can build a country on that.

Lol, that study isn't flattering towards Somalis.

The political system is what is killing the Horn.

Despotism in Eritrea
Illiberal democracy in Ethiopia and Djibouti.
Joke status in Somaliland
Semi-anarchism and Sharia nonsense in Somalia.

It's never going to improve much if the current systems are kept in place.

The only way the Horn will find peace and prosperity is assimilation. There are simply too many tribes, ethnicities, religions and languages. India was manufactured by the British Raj, but the Horn has always been in constant conflict and rivalry. I had hoped a strong Somali country could take over and Somalize everyone. But that is as likely as elephants flying. The only hope is if we are all assimilated by the Borg (Oromo) or the Amhara (who themselves are just assimilated Agew/Zagwe).

One thing I definitely notice is in the diaspora, Somalis and Ethiopians/Eritreans don't mix. Outside of the Subcontinent, Pakistanis, Indians and Bengalis mix and are friendly with one another. Same with Arabs from different Arab countries. Why is that the case?

That is somewhat true, but they are also the only ones in East Africa that kept the British political model largely intact. Kenya also has the most efficient rule of law in the region.

If I was a betting man I would bet on Kenya out of the East African countries.

Kenya is like SA - a multi-ethnic, multi-racial artificial country with a popular global image and is controlled by a non-African elite. It won't fail by default.