As usual , SLND officially will not participate in Somali Conference HLPF Istanbul

[abdikarim86]

In my idoor mafrish they already dubbed it the " aboowe waa ku tuugayaa 23rd conference ".

[ramzy2277]

Try to repeat what you said in front of a mirror and see if you can even convince yourself.

The politicians leading SL can't come up with a coherent foreign policy. This is evident to any impartial observer. They seem to be managing domestic security very well, but beyond that they are a failure.

Not really, SLND have a practical approach in its foreign policy, in daahir riyaale's era, there was fact finding missions from the African Union in 2005 and 2008




in 2007 one of the biggest EU delegations ever had visisted SLND after this visit, flux of EU MPs have visited SLND in particular to support its quest for re-independence,e.g,Annemie Neyts-Uyttebroeck MEP, President of the European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party introduced a conditional resolution calling on the EU and all its member states to give diplomatic recognition to Somaliland.

Presently, the game have changed since the IC decided to baby feed and care the Somali government in mogdisho, before that ,it was like ''return to sender'' type of communication, so SLND have taken the first legal and correct step toward gaining re-independence by directly sitting with Mogdisho government, even if the talks fail which is predictable,that still serve our greater cause,since we have contacted the concerned parties .

If you take south sudan,eritrea, east timor even scotland all of them have made direct talks with the country they want to get separated from,except Kosovo, which declared its own independence without any agreement from the mother county, hence UN wont accept it as a member in UN.

Somaliland with its limited resources , as a 100% muslim populated country, Conflicting Geopolical factors with regard to African Arab regions which oppose Slnd re-indepedence even if we have a successful legal case, with all these negative factors and even more , our Foreign presence is strong.






Republic of Somaliland have the same stance as ever,but mooryan mind always try to muddle things to suit their on twisted logic.

Having the same stance doesnt matter if that stance is wrong. it just means that you are consistently wrong, ineffective and stuck in LIMBO

What is wrong by Somaliland stance toward attending this meeting which is made under the banner of the federal somali government where ,Republic of Somaliland is not part of the federal system .

However, since Somaliland and Somalia didn't settle their differences and agree on total separation of the two countries, there will be a lot of joint shares that affects the public of the two states,se we have to find a suitable way to deliver those shares without loosing our stance which the foreign affairs statement clearly mentions.




Your failed state with their 4.5 system, always talks to the IC that they represent all the somali regions and all clans are represented in their 4.5 ,but somehow, when the money talk approaches, the real mooryan face shows up just like Smooth and start to take the whole fund for themselves.

Im not from the South. So leave south Somalia alone.

by south I mean SFG system and their supporters , there are dirty waqooyist in SFG as well.

So,who don't have the courage now to stand by what they advocate>?!.

Probably not lack of courage, as much as lack of competence.

Competence..!!, what a dreamer..!, this is horn of africa sxb, not Switzerland, from 1960 to 1991 we been under a failed union which sucked the life out of somalilanders and left us bone dry. by grace of ALLAH then our elders we managed to go through a long and difficult healing and reconstructing process with meager resources especially human capital.

By all means SLND always showed a steady foreign policy ,especially when it comes to dealing with wanlaweyen.



Somali wa hal until the next international paycheck..

That is sad, you aspire to collect crumbs, while I aspire to make Somalia/Somaliland the most affluent and most developed country in this world.


and how you plan to do that?...do you have a nuclear scientists that can design a nuclear energy plant to build towns,cities,bridges,roads,hospitals...etc, do you have a daily production of million of oil barrels .!!, do you have a strong well connected lobbyist in the most influencial capitals of the world..!!, do you have substantial natural resources ..!!...do you have a well educated and skilled human capital from all levels, technicians up to executive managers..!!....do you?....do you?

answer is and will always be ....NO, you have none of the above.
so, what is the alternative solution to catch up to civilization and be part of this modern world..!!.

I see the IC aid toward Somaliland/ Somalia as a positive initiative that we , as a somali ethnicity, must benefit from to jump start our lagging economy .
by the way, those aid are in the form of grants,not loans.

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[original dervish]

The IC views all the Somali statelets as welfare scroungers.

[ramzy2277]

I am surprised no one was able to convincing the Turks that our fellow brothers up north are like the secessionist seeking Kurds PKK and YPG, funded by the British, surprised they are sending them invitations, Mmmmm

What exactly have I taken for myself? what has the IC even given to this government? I have heavy road construction equipments we paid for as a sub-clan, I alone several thousands just sitting here while we are trying to figure out whether to pay extortionate Isbaaro to Puntland or Isbaaro to your friends in Al-shabab who sit along the route on it's way to Hobyo

Puntland is lucky because Afweyne robbed the money and equipment meant for Hobyo port for qabyaalad reasons, your lucky because of the Russian's that built Berbera for strategic geopolitical reasons and yet your accusing me of stealing money? You both looted best government assets, airports, ports, government buildings which until this day your government stays in

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Convince...!!!?!

Maybe because Turks know you are nothing but a cyber mooryan even your government mogidisho stated and included your website in the 35th list of banned websites.

Hmmmm..
fellow brothers up norther and featuring us as PKK and YPG in the same sentence have one diagnoses ---->>>> Bipolar Disorder<<<----


I won't spend more time on your useless rhetoric ,but I want to correct you on one thing, afweyen or the russians didn't build Berbera port sxb, Berbera port goes hundred of years back even before the Osmani turks came. Afweyen's regime rented the port for the russian and they paid him back ,nothing went to the community there, even worse what ever revenues coming from the berbera port as customs were directly sent to the centrally operated government in mogdisho.

its well known fact that Afweyen's region built almost nothing in Somaliland regions,and whatever little he had build ,he destroyed it to the ground when his Meg aircrafts leveled Berbera,Hargeisa and Burco to the ground.


whatever development and shinny buildings you see in Somaliland now, is by ALLAH Cazawajal Grace then by our own hands, a step your people started to realize lately and about to build roads , of course after you decide which isbaaro course you will take.

[smooth]

Are you seriously trying to argue with me that the Russian's under USSR didn't build Berbera port (I never said Afweyne)?? seriously? your trying to argue with me that your government isn't staying in renovated former Afweyne buildings? Is this how far qabyaalad has reached? that you would come on here and lie so blatantly?

You son of a bitch Hobyo was a port city built far before the Ottomans ever reached Somalia, were is it today? are we going to count a few man that laid bricks for primitive construction made out of woods? really? No wonder your doing a runner, I would have humiliated you like the lying piglet british bastard that you are

[mahoka]

Are you seriously trying to argue with me that the Russian's under USSR didn't build Berbera port (I never said Afweyne)?? seriously? your trying to argue with me that your government isn't staying in renovated former Afweyne buildings? Is this how far qabyaalad has reached? that you would come on here and lie so blatantly?

You son of a bitch Hobyo was a port city built far before the Ottomans ever reached Somalia, were is it today? are we going to count a few man that laid bricks for primitive construction made out of woods? really? No wonder your doing a runner, I would have humiliated you like the lying piglet british bastard that you are

Berbera is a thousand year old port city. The Ottomans renovated some of it and the Russians did add to it. Siyaad only built Mogadishu and look where Mogadishu is now in the hands of your people

Stick to boasting a city that your Italian fathers and afwayne built with our tax and destroyed by you.

Plus what renovated afwayne buildings are you talking about you Mirqaan cambulo addict

[ramzy2277]

Why would I argue with a low IQ slave hutu who makes a living out of extortion and fabricated lies.
Listen qaracyahow, go and spend some time researching Berbera port history before, as I tried to make it through your thick monkey head, Berbera port didn't start with the Russian as you put it,but it was used as port for hundred of years, where it was used to export your grandfathers and grandmothers as slaves to Arabs, and also import commercials goods from India and Arabia as well, Berbera had always had a natural shaped wharf and a deep waters for ships to dock, that is why beside the locals any other foreigners had used it as a primary PORT, turks,egyptians,british,somalis,russians,americans and finally landers.

Wtf is hobyo..!!, last time i heard about that place was some MJ suldan making the local slaves build him a fort out of rocks, do you mean that place ?...lol ilahay ba duli ka saraye ever since you were born, enslaved and owned by fellow somalis in ur own degan and you have the nerve mentioning british

qaracyahow free your own degan first before thinking to karbash anyone,or keep paying puntland to allow you to build a port .

while we are trying to figure out whether to pay extortionate Isbaaro to Puntland

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[smooth]

Where did you miss the part were I said the port was before the Ottomans ever arrived on Somali soil? You are the only people with no history in the whole of Somali Republic, there is no place more ancient then Hobyo it was bustling port during the Ajuuran Sultanate and Hiraab Sultanate centuries ago wayyyyyy before the Ottomans ever stepped a foot in Somalia, Hiraab the father of Madarkicis Hiraab (HG+Duduble) and Mudulood Hiraab is buried in Berbera, didn't even know that did you? you moron!

while your forefather the Arab peasant you claim wasn't even born in Baghdad yet, your own story is that he married a Xabashi women when he came on these shores as a peasant as even Aw Rastaale admitted, your not even authentic Somali, yet you want to debate with me on Somali matters or cities, I am not surprised to be honest, while everyone had their imamate or sultanate from the Warsangeli's, to Ajuuran, to Hiraab to Awdal, your the only Somali that were vessel carriers and had nothing, no history, no battle against any foreigners infact always sided with them, never fired a shot at an invader or scarified anything for the Republic, your claim to fame is "killing" Somali government troops.

[ramzy2277]

what kind of a meaningless reply is that..? or you acting like a child who wants to always have the final say,thinking he won the debate.!.

Garacyahow,I told you this is not an argument,I was setting your queer thoughts straight.

Try to be objective and talk about the topic of the thread,don't jump from point to point randomly filling your cuqdad ridden queer thoughts in between.Just look how the hell you ended up speaking about some madafakar or madarkacsi, whatever that is ,buried in Berbera all the way to Somali troops.

warya culusow boy try to get your shit together and focus on the topic at hand or go and open a new thread about ur slavery history in hobyo

[Rambie]

Look who's talking, Calusow minion is speaking up now eh?
Didn't MJ slave your folks in the very same "ancient" town your ripping 4?


It seems your looking for another karbash with your peanut cambulu filled brain.
Berbera was always there, the Soviets and Americans expand it, but they didn't "build it"
That's basic Alphabet in Somali history you brain dead Cambulu eating Moryaan.