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ramzy2277 wrote:I am against the saying of Politics have no ethics or Politics is a dirty game, totally rubbish, first of all, we are muslims, and we are accountable to our words and actions,if you bend your beliefs according to your whims and short needs,then you are not a leader ,and Somaliland don't need leaders without principles.

Muse bixi have the support of the majority of Cisse Muse since long time,they have a soft spot for him since the habros wars,its kind of paying him back, so Muse bixi have zero worries from jamal's candidacy to divide HA, the main worries i think is from the ex-kulmiye,mohamed bixi in particular, he is a heavy weight politician and cali gurey is trying to unite nux ismacil in UCID under mohamed bixi as i heard.

all in all, i think wadani is gaining more momentum and points these days....khatar cadeem

Ciise Muuse is too small for UCID, it was a mistake giving Jamal presidency candidate,

It's better to pluck Sacad Muuse from eachother you guys are not as united as CM and more numerous.
If Faysal presents HJ + SM or SM+ HJ UCID heavyweights then Kulmiye is doomed.

I knew Faisal would turn on him sooner rather than later.

no rules=chaos=Africa, I careless about faysal and UCID,but feel sad for a lot of landers who believed in changed, Jamal represented the educated youth in diaspora who can return and make a change,even though they knew UCID wont stand a chance against Kulmiye and Wadani who are backed by the big clans in SLND.

anyhow, what a waste for jamal,while you and ur adeer happy eating crumbs on the floor from kulmiye's table you could have made your own table if u have trust in ur party's principles.

hangool79 wrote:

BigBreak wrote:I have the winning formula for UCID should faisal have the selflessness and intelligence

a new idagale party leader
a gadabursi as presidential candidate
a HJ but not from Silanyo family as vice presidential candidate

Silaanyo is Adan Maddobe allthough they are an old aristocrastic house within HJ they are not numerically as migthy as other HJ sub clans.

I would advocate

HJ president
CM vice president or vice verca

And then promise heavy posts to Samaroon, Arap, Isxaaq.

Ciidagale would be kingmakers behind the curtains it doesn't matter to them

We Black Adan's are not small, trust me.
Is just there are not a lot of us back home, most BA live abroad. But still we are one of the most influential Isaaqs.

hangool79 wrote:

ramzy2277 wrote:I am against the saying of Politics have no ethics or Politics is a dirty game, totally rubbish, first of all, we are muslims, and we are accountable to our words and actions,if you bend your beliefs according to your whims and short needs,then you are not a leader ,and Somaliland don't need leaders without principles.

Muse bixi have the support of the majority of Cisse Muse since long time,they have a soft spot for him since the habros wars,its kind of paying him back, so Muse bixi have zero worries from jamal's candidacy to divide HA, the main worries i think is from the ex-kulmiye,mohamed bixi in particular, he is a heavy weight politician and cali gurey is trying to unite nux ismacil in UCID under mohamed bixi as i heard.

all in all, i think wadani is gaining more momentum and points these days....khatar cadeem

Ciise Muuse is too small for UCID, it was a mistake giving Jamal presidency candidate,

It's better to pluck Sacad Muuse from eachother you guys are not as united as CM and more numerous.
If Faysal presents HJ + SM or SM+ HJ UCID heavyweights then Kulmiye is doomed.

Hows Sacad Muse gonna vote for UCID? Their big man Muse is running next year and thats their best shot becoming president for the first time. On top of that HJ voting for UCID waa habeen xalay tagey, esp after the tentions with the Ciise Muse. UCID has zero chance.

Cisse Musa are not small at all, in 1944 Bitish population survey their population was 30,000

while Arab= 20,000
Cidagale= 40,000.

This artcle lends support to Ramzy take on this issue.



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Gudaha Ka Akhri :Xisbiga Ucid Iyo Isbahaysiga Kulmiye Oo Kulmay Caawa Iyo Qodobada Laga Wada Hadlay .


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Waxaa Maanta 5:00 Galanimo Hotel Fish and Steck ee Magaalada Hargaysa kulan ku yeeshay Xisbiga Ucid iyo Isbahsyga Kulmiye .
Kulankan oo ay ka qeyb qaateen Guddiyo ay labada Dhinac u xil saareen Wada Hadalka kuwaas oo ka kala socday Xisbiga Ucid iyo Isbahaysiga Kulmiye .
Waxaana Guddida Xisbiga Ucid hor kacayay Gudoomiyaha Xisbiga Ucid Eng Faysal Cali Warabe iyadoo xubnaha kale ee wehelinayay ay kala ahaayeen , Siciid Cumar (Siciid Ucid) , Mustafe ibraahim , Xoghayaha Arrimaha Bulshada C/raxman Axmed Cali , C/wali Gaambiye , Halka Isbahaysiga Kulmiye ay ka socdeen Guddi u xilsaaran wada Hadalka Xisbiga ucid oo kala ahaa , Xuseen Axmed Caydiid , C/risaaq Khaliif , Cali Saa’iq , C/waaxid C/raxman .
Kulanka oo ahaa mid ay albaabadu u xidhanyihiin isla markaana aan illa hadda la ogayn qodoboadii labada dhinac miiska soo saareen ee laga wada hadlayay , ayaa haddana Shabakaddan Wararka ee Togaherer waxaa soo gaadhaya xogo ay ka helayso ilo wareedyo lagu kalsoonyay kuwaas oo tibaaxayaa in labada dhinacba ay muujiyeen bisayl iyo in jawwiga guud ee wada hadalku ahaa mid aanay labada dhinac ku kala fogayn aragtiyaha iyo doodaha la wadaagayo , iyagoo wararku intaas ay ku daryaaan in jawwi is afgarasho uu ku soo dhamaaday isla markaana loo ballamay kulamo kale .
Sidoo kale wararka ayaa intaa ku darayaa in Labada dhinac ay qodobo badan isla meel dhigeen iyagoo si fiican isugu soo dhawaaday .
Ugu daneentii labada dhinac ayaa isugu imanaya kulamo kale si loo sii amba qaado wada hadallada .

ramzy2277 wrote:no rules=chaos=Africa, I careless about faysal and UCID,but feel sad for a lot of landers who believed in changed, Jamal represented the educated youth in diaspora who can return and make a change,even though they knew UCID wont stand a chance against Kulmiye and Wadani who are backed by the big clans in SLND.

anyhow, what a waste for jamal,while you and ur adeer happy eating crumbs on the floor from kulmiye's table you could have made your own table if u have trust in ur party's principles.

everywhere there is chaos, some just more orderly than other types of chaos, look at the US and so forth. Go cry me a river

ramzy2277 wrote:

Cisse Musa are not small at all, in 1944 Bitish population survey their population was 30,000

while Arab= 20,000
Cidagale= 40,000.

Ciise and dhulbahante populations went down significantly.

ramzy2277 wrote:

Cisse Musa are not small at all, in 1944 Bitish population survey their population was 30,000

while Arab= 20,000
Cidagale= 40,000.

these figures are from the Hunt survey, 1951 they are not reliable and the method he used was basically guestimates.

when I said Ciise Muuse is small clan I meant compared to HY, HJ or SM not small in general, but let's face it CG does not need another twin copy of themselves, we need to shoot one of the bigger elephants such as some SM and a major HJ subclan


Guban most of Ciise packed up and went to Djibouti after independence, they used to be a migthy terror in the coastal ranges.
Dhulbahante is still large but inactive, besides these figures probably included only British territory several clans are quite significant in Somali galbeed and swell their numbers even more if they where counted in.

hangool79 wrote:

ramzy2277 wrote:

Cisse Musa are not small at all, in 1944 Bitish population survey their population was 30,000

while Arab= 20,000
Cidagale= 40,000.

these figures are from the Hunt survey, 1951 they are not reliable and the method he used was basically guestimates.

when I said Ciise Muuse is small clan I meant compared to HY, HJ or SM not small in general, but let's face it CG does not need another twin copy of themselves, we need to shoot one of the bigger elephants such as some SM and a major HJ subclan


Guban most of Ciise packed up and went to Djibouti after independence, they used to be a migthy terror in the coastal ranges.
Dhulbahante is still large but inactive, besides these figures probably included only British territory several clans are quite significant in Somali galbeed and swell their numbers even more if they where counted in.

Ciise had one million sheeps and goats that's a lot.

What about all dhulos that moved south to xamar and kismayo and nairobi and to americas a lot of them left, only laascaanood, caynabo and oog got significant population the rest of sool is sparsely populated with a few towns in middle of no where.

But can someone tell me who is larger samaroon or dhulbahante today?

GubanOgoHawdJSL wrote:

hangool79 wrote:

ramzy2277 wrote:

Cisse Musa are not small at all, in 1944 Bitish population survey their population was 30,000

while Arab= 20,000
Cidagale= 40,000.

these figures are from the Hunt survey, 1951 they are not reliable and the method he used was basically guestimates.

when I said Ciise Muuse is small clan I meant compared to HY, HJ or SM not small in general, but let's face it CG does not need another twin copy of themselves, we need to shoot one of the bigger elephants such as some SM and a major HJ subclan


Guban most of Ciise packed up and went to Djibouti after independence, they used to be a migthy terror in the coastal ranges.
Dhulbahante is still large but inactive, besides these figures probably included only British territory several clans are quite significant in Somali galbeed and swell their numbers even more if they where counted in.

Ciise had one million sheeps and goats that's a lot.

What about all dhulos that moved south to xamar and kismayo and nairobi and to americas a lot of them left only laascaanood, caynabo and oog got significant population the rest of sool is sparsely populated.

Dhulos used to be even bigger they where also a significant terror from Taleex to Burco harassing anything in between, also they used to live in Sanaag, but today compared to the hay days they have become a medium sized clan probably a little smaller then the 3 major habro but still bigger than Samaroon nation.

So dhulos are more than samaroon.

hangool79 wrote: Dhulos used to be even bigger they where also a significant terror from Taleex to Burco harassing anything in between, also they used to live in Sanaag, but today compared to the hay days they have become a medium sized clan probably a little smaller then the 3 major habro but still bigger than Samaroon nation.

Hangool, you watch hodan nayaleh video on laascaanood she said 150k dhulos fled to dadaab then dhulo say over 20k plus fled to dadaab that means these people have been leaving from sool to puntland to southern somalia all way to kenya that's a complete exodus while samaroon has been moving to lughaya and saylac to the coast I think samaroon and dhulos are equal in size today inside the country there is barely in dhulos left in sanaag and hj is spreading to buhoodle.

GubanOgoHawdJSL wrote:

hangool79 wrote: Dhulos used to be even bigger they where also a significant terror from Taleex to Burco harassing anything in between, also they used to live in Sanaag, but today compared to the hay days they have become a medium sized clan probably a little smaller then the 3 major habro but still bigger than Samaroon nation.

Hangool, you watch hodan nayaleh video on laascaanood she said 150k dhulos fled to dadaab then dhulo say over 20k plus fled to dadaab that means these people have been leaving from sool to puntland to southern somalia all way to kenya that's a complete exodus while samaroon has been moving to lughaya and saylac to the coast I think samaroon and dhulos are equal in size today inside the country there is barely in dhulos left in sanaag and hj is spreading to buhoodle.

Dhulbahante was a big clan, back in the days.
But now they have been dwarfed by HJ and HY. Reason being Isaaqs get married more, so we have more kids (boys). I don't know much about samaroon and how fast they breed. All I knew is JB are breeders.