Jubba-ganaane state oo Taakulaynaya abaarta Somaliland

[Togdeer]

There is a lot of Samane Abokor who are rahenwein. They are part of the 8 and 9 subclan, not sure exactly which.
Why do you think Samane in Somaliland is small compared to his brothers Mohammed Abokor and muse Abokor.

[Siciid85]

What are the chances of people being deported from Somaliland actually turn out to be Isaaq-Raxanwayn? Boy that would big time L.

[zumaale]

Jalaludin

The Arab and Habar Awal in the Raxanweyn are the ones I am familiar with thanks to family members that lived in Mirifle land.

Ramzy

Sorry cannot help you in regard to Abdiraxman Sacad, there might be very well be other Isaaq clans that joined the Raxanweyn confederation.

Guban

There are no Isaaqs among Southern Dir. Previously, the Damal Muuse Carre paid Qadhan with the Surres of Central/North East Somalia but most migrated to Isaaq lands in the mid to late 20th century. Ina Gaboose and Ina Igarre are examples of the Damal Muuse that were raised outside Isaaq lands.

Macalin wayn are Sacad Muse clan within Raxanwayn. Because technically Raxan wayn is confederates of clans from Isaaq, Darood, Hawiye etc...

I also believe Barsuug Arab can be found in there.

Also Ugaasyada Gaal jecel waa Cali Siciid/HY. Then perhaps you have Damal Muse who live in Mudug, Jubooyinka and Doolow.

Zumaale, bro these Isaaq kids are clueless.

Macalinweyne are not solely Sacad Muuse, there are Ogadens in the clan too. Certain subclans are Sacad Muuse whilst others are Ogaden. Surprisingly, they do not differentiate amongst themselves in the presence of enemies as they share one qadhan and language/culture.

Bro, I have heard of Arabs being found in Barsuug but I am pretty certain that they are an independent Dir clan that are now part of the Huume Oromo confederation in Hararghe. In the early 19th century, the Arabs were part of Habar Garxajis whilst the Barsuug were an established fearsome clan that lived near the mountains of Harar as Richard Burton attested to. They were at war with the main Darood clans of the mountains (Berteri/Geri) and the Oromos. He goes on to mention that the Somalis of the mountains, apart from the Sheekhash and Hawiye, are either Dir or Darood. The Barsuug are not identified as a Darood clan unlike the Berteri and Geri clans that also inhabited the mountains adjacent to Harar.

The Bursuk number about 5000 shields, own no chief, and in 1854 were at war with the Girhi, the Berteri, and especially the Gallas. In this country, the feuds differ from those of the plains: the hill-men fight for three days, as the End of Time phrased it, and make peace for three days. The maritime clans are not so abrupt in their changes; moreover they claim blood-money, a thing here unknown.

The Shaykhash, or “Reverend” as the term means, are the only Somal of the mountains not derived from Dir and Darud.

[JSL3000]

That's why I know it these raxanweyn are larger than darood in zoomalia.

[Siciid85]

Zumaale,

I know Macalin Wayne aren't all Sacad Muse. But the most prominent ones. Are. When Macalin Wayne goes to war, it's the cabdalla Sacad that leads them. They're well respected.

Barsug are part of Hadama Raxanwayn and they live in Xudur and they are same clan that also found in Ethiopia as well.

Now I am not 100% certain whether Barsug is in itself a confederate clan or single tribe; but I do know that Barsug is usually identified with Arab.

That being said, whether Barsug is considered Dir or partly oromo isn't too shocking. It's similar to Damal Muse who are Dir in Mudug and HY in Togdheer.

It all depends on the geographical location.

[zumaale]

Zumaale,

I know Macalin Wayne aren't all Sacad Muse. But the most prominent ones. Are. When Macalin Wayne goes to war, it's the cabdalla Sacad that leads them. They're well respected.

Barsug are part of Hadama Raxanwayn and they live in Xudur and they are same clan that also found in Ethiopia as well.

Now I am not 100% certain whether Barsug is in itself a confederate clan or single tribe; but I do know that Barsug is usually identified with Arab.

That being said, whether Barsug is considered Dir or partly oromo isn't too shocking. It's similar to Damal Muse who are Dir in Mudug and HY in Togdheer.

It all depends on the geographical location.

Bro

At the start of Richard Burton's book, he lists all the clans that are not Darood and Barsuug are listed as a stand alone Dir subclan. If they were Arab, they would not have been classed separately from Isaaq. Furthermore, with Barsuug in their ranks Arab would have been sufficiently strong enough to stand alone without having to be part of the Cidagalle Habar Garxajis umbrella. I don't know if many Arabs settled among the Barsuug but written history illustrates that were an independent clan that did not fall under Isaaq.

The Damaal Muuse were never considered Surre, they just paid Qadhan with us and were given the nickname Dir Rooble by the Darood to whom their ancestor settled among after he killed his uncle. My Surre subclan always viewed them as HY but they became allied to us on account of our Dir origins.

[Siciid85]

Again I do not very much take Richard Burton books as Qur'anic facts, but simply ask any Barsuug whether they're of those from Ethiopia or Xudur and they can enlighten you.

The name Ciidangale belongs to Arab as much as it belongs to Daud Ismail of today. It was shared title between Arab and Ciidagale called Gaashaanbuurta Cidangale. When they broke up, ciidagale retained the title.

Arab known as as Seefta Sh. isxaaq were large and dominant war like tribe. Many say their small number today can be attributed to their many war campaigns.

Allah hu aclam.

[zumaale]

Richard Burton was just stating what his guides informed him or what the clans in question told him.

Arab were allied with Cidagalle until they became emboldened to stand alone. However, in the early 19th century, the alliance was necessary as the Cidagalle were more numerous. However, as First Footsteps In East Africa illustrates, the Barsuug were more than capable of holding their own against hostile Oromo and Darood neighbours.

Damal Muuse paid Maag with the Reer Agoon and Dabac Surres because we were Dir, they could easily have chosen to become allied and pay Maag with their more numerous Majeerten Aptis who held them in high esteem on account of them being the Reer Apti of the Royal Bah Dir Rooble Cusman Maxamuds. We also welcomed them because we viewed them as fellow Dirs otherwise they would be no different to us than than the non Dir clans we neighbour.

[Rabshoole]

Zumaale, I’m not certain whether you’re familiar with the earliest settlers of modern day Puntland or not but If you lose your familiar, you can eventually get a new one. Henceforth the story of Damal Muuse iyo Laxmar. Here’s the story you will hear among beesha. After the fall of Adal Empire, Surre entered the region with two of his curad Mohamed Naalleeye iyo Samater Naalleeye. Who later gave raise to Abdi Abdallah (Laxmar ) iyo Salebaan Abdallah ( Damal Muse) who were the eldest of the two sub clans that settled from Garoowe to Galgaduud. The two subclans experienced extreme discomfort over scarce grazing lands. Long story short the two went to war for hundreds of years over resources neither could defeat one another, Laxmar went South to gather enforcers (Marehan), whereas Damal muuse went North to gather enforcers (Isaakh). Hence the confusion today. Those subclans have adapted some contrived tales among its host clan. Ask any Marehan who is laxmar ? You will hear a story of a lost kin related to Reer Ahmed and ask any Isaakh who is Damal muuse and you will hear a story of lost son of HY who ran away from the north. This sort of tribal practices are nothing new and quite the norm in the ancient days.

[HooBariiska]

Zamaale can you confirm this for me.

I heard that isaaq wadaads that used to travel mainly tabliiiqis are the ones that settles in south somalia and merged into the rahanwayn tribe.
There is a story i heard about man from isaxaaq tribe that came back to somaliland for a visit about 10 years ago from raxanwaynia. He described how about 4-5 generations ago great great grandpa left hawd for baydhabo area to teach diin. Some of this men still know abtirsinimo

[zumaale]

Zumaale, I’m not certain whether you’re familiar with the earliest settlers of modern day Puntland or not but If you lose your familiar, you can eventually get a new one. Henceforth the story of Damal Muuse iyo Laxmar. Here’s the story you will hear among beesha. After the fall of Adal Empire, Surre entered the region with two of his curad Mohamed Naalleeye iyo Samater Naalleeye. Who later gave raise to Abdi Abdallah (Laxmar ) iyo Salebaan Abdallah ( Damal Muse) who were the eldest of the two sub clans that settled from Garoowe to Galgaduud. The two subclans experienced extreme discomfort over scarce grazing lands. Long story short the two went to war for hundreds of years over resources neither could defeat one another, Laxmar went South to gather enforcers (Marehan), whereas Damal muuse went North to gather enforcers (Isaakh). Hence the confusion today. Those subclans have adapted some contrived tales among its host clan. Ask any Marehan who is laxmar ? You will hear a story of a lost kin related to Reer Ahmed and ask any Isaakh who is Damal muuse and you will hear a story of lost son of HY who ran away from the north. This sort of tribal practices are nothing new and quite the norm in the ancient days.

Armaan, as a Saleeban Cabdalla, I can confirm to you that the Damal Muuse are not nor were they ever Surre. Saleeban Cabdalla split into Maxamud Saleeban (Fiqi Kheyr) Xeer that live in K5 near Sheegosh and the Cali Saleeban who are dispersed through out the North of Somalia. Nothing links the Damaal Muuse with our Abtirsi. Ask any Saleeban Cabdalla elder and they will confirm what I told you. The only Saleeban Cabdalla that have links with the Isaaq are some Cabaas Muuse that split off from their Sanaag kinsmen during the Darwish Wars and migrated to Ciise Muuse territory, they were given the nickname Cabaas Ceel La Helay after Ciise Muuse nomads came upon them drinking from their wells. These Cabaas Muuse are well settled in Sheekh and the mountainous deegans of Saaxil.

As for the Laxmar, their Surre identity is well known, even among the Reer Axmed Mareexan who they have historically being allied with. The ones in Galgaduud have no links with Mareexan whatsoever, it is just the Gedo ones and Snetters like Voltage can confirm that they have not been fully assimilated into the Mareexan lineage.

Zamaale can you confirm this for me.

I heard that isaaq wadaads that used to travel mainly tabliiiqis are the ones that settles in south somalia and merged into the rahanwayn tribe.
There is a story i heard about man from isaxaaq tribe that came back to somaliland for a visit about 10 years ago from raxanwaynia. He described how about 4-5 generations ago great great grandpa left hawd for baydhabo area to teach diin. Some of this men still know abtirsinimo

HB

The Raxanweyn were well known for their religious brotherhoods and Somalis from a variety of clan backgrounds joined their confederation hence it would not be surprising to find Isxaaq Raxanweyn. However, I cannot confirm or deny their presence among the Raxanweyn due to a lack of knowledge.

[hangool79]

wait let me get this right there are actually Isaaqs in konfuur?

I know several Isaaq sub clans went as far as Hiiraan like my clansmen Ciidagale but they came back from what I heard.

[Siciid85]

wait let me get this right there are actually Isaaqs in konfuur?

I know several Isaaq sub clans went as far as Hiiraan like my clansmen Ciidagale but they came back from what I heard.

Sure are. Read earlier replies.

[smooth]

Sure our traditional home land is Somaliland but we aren't confined to just it. We are very adventurous group.
Today, there are arguably as many Isaaq business in Mogadishu, Bosaaso Then Somaliland itself.

These canoobori fed tahriibi kids don't know that stuff, when I was in Hobyo during the heigh of faroole funded piracy, there was about 15 or so HY families that I saw, their great grand fathers were born there they told me.

This whole qabiil stuff is just one big confederation, this Cabdulla Sacad is no different from the cabdalla Sacad HG, in fact Cabdalla was the name of one of the great sons of Sacad, until this day there is siyaaro for Cadalla and Cawareere the 2 great sons of Sacad.