This week and somali politics!

[Cismaanbaqle]

The Hawiya, descended from Irrir, are the largest and most important noble Somali family of southern Somalia. Centred around and along the Shebelle, where they come into contact with subject Negroid cultivators, they stretch northwards towards the Darod. Agriculture begins to play an appreciable part in the economy, often indirectly through the cultivation practised by the Negroid vassals of the Hawiya, although, towards the coast, the Hawiya themselves, under the stimulus of Administrative encouragement, are becoming increasingly agrarian. Their economy is intermediate between the nomadic pastoralism dominant among the Darod to the north and the relatively intensive cultivation practised by the Rahanwein to the south. Some tribes however are purely nomadic.

The Hawiya are composed of two primary divisions: the Bah Arbera and the Bah Girei. Almost all the present Hawiya tribes and tribal confederacies belong to the Bah Girei fraction, which is in turn divided into three main groups: the Gurgate, Jiambelle and Gogondovo. It presents a regular system in which segmentation of successive bifurcations gives rise to a proliferation of tribes derived from earlier tribes which, in their turn, through segmentation and growth, become confederacies in relation to their fractions when these become tribes in their own right. What was originally a tribe continues to exist as the group name for a confederacy of tribes which have stemmed from it. Some tribes remain static or decay and do not continue growing and bifurcating. Sometimes the parent tribe, from which stems a proliferation of new tribes, continues to exist as a tribe in its own right, although probably on the wane and only really important as a confederacy name for its more active offshoots.

Traditionally the Bah Arbera are the progeny of an Arab woman, and the Bah Girei of a Galla mother whose bride-price included a spotted cow ( girei ). Of the Bah Arbera, the Karanle situated in the upper valley of the Shebelle, are trans-humant, cultivating the fertile riverine land in the dry season and moving with their stock to new pastures on the surrounding hills when the heavy rains begin. The Murosade, who have become detached in the process of tribal movement, are found in small groups in the region of Merca and, in a larger body, below the Shebelle around Afgoi. They are essentially pastoralists although they practise some cultivation, and in the Merca region are engaged in the caravan trade. The Raranle, formerly of the Baj-Argan region were driven thence by the Digil; a nucleus still survives among the Rahanwein Garuale.

The largest of the three Bah Girei sub-confederacies is the Gurgate, whose descendants through Dame-Herab are the most numerous. The legend reported by Colucciruns that on the birth of Mane, the last of Gurgate’s seven sons, the largest birthday gift was given by his brother Dame, and this caused their father Gurgate to prophesy that Dame would have many descendants. Most of the tribes descended from the other seven brothers have disappeared or are scattered as dependants among the Rahanwein, but, some remain such as the Hawâdla, who also live along the shebelle valley with baddi ‘Addo and engage in a pattern of cultivation and pastoralism.

The most important tribes or tribal confederacies derived from Dame-Herab are: the Abgal, the strongest and most numerous Hawiya group, the Habr Gedir, the Dudube, the Sheikal Lobogi, the Wadan, the Hillivi, the Herab, and the Mobilen. The Abgal, who are mainly nomadic pastoralists, practise some cultivation in suitable regions near the coast, and extend inland from the coast between Mogadishu and El Dere. They played a prominent part in the history of Mogadishu, and their incursions into the town were largely responsible for the overthrow of the Muzaffar dynasty of sultans.They are divided into at least seven tribes. The Habr Gedir are mainly pastoralists, although one of their four tribes, the Habr Gedir Sarur at Harardere, cultivates beans, millet, water-melons, and cotton as well as possessing herds of camels, cattle, and flocks of sheep and goats. A Habr Gedir Sarur group is found also in the region of Harar, on the left bank of the Webi Jestro, but through mixing with other peoples it has lost most of its Somali characteristics.The Sheikal Lobogi are a priestly group scattered among the Hawiya generally, sometimes appearing as autonomous sections in other tribes, as for instance in the Herab.They are pastoralists, particularly given to caravan trading. The Wadan are allied to the Geledi and are under their tutelage. The Hillivi are federated with the Abgal Daud under a common chief. The Herab are dependants of the Tunni and Rahanwein. The Mobilen are allied to the Shidle Negroid group of the Shebelle.

The Jiambelle, form the second primary division of the Bah Girei. The most important tribes issuing from this progeny are the Ajuran and the Hintere, the first of very great antiquity, and apparently connected with the obscure and almost legendary Madinle, to whom many old ruins and wells with stone-works are commonly attributed. The Ajuran, as we shall see, formerly dominated the territory to-day occupied by the Rahanwein and their Hawiya siblings. Ajuran are found in independent nuclei on the upper Shebelle, in the Doi and between Moyale and Wajir in the Northern Frontier Province of Kenya, at Anole on the Shebelle and between Afgoi and Wadegle, mixed with their freedmen the Erible. They are mainly nomadic pastoralists and are particularly interesting because they have adopted the Galla Boran practice of drawing blood from cattle, a non-Somali trait which they share with the trans-Juba Darod. The Hintere are found among the Jiddu of the Doi, on the upper Shebelle in the Shebelle Negroid region, and in the Afgoi region of the lower Shebelle where they live with their freedmen, the Urguma. The other three Jiambelle tribes seem to have disappeared or lost all tribal identity.

Of the third division of the Bah Girei, the Gogondovo, the Jidle occur in Abyssinia and on the Webi among the Shebelle and Molcal. The Jibide are in trans-Juba, and the Jajele nomads who derive from them are found among the Rahanwein and in Abyssinia. The principal centre of the Molcal, who also derive from the Jibide, is the village of Mansur, where they live with their freedmen the Kavole. From the Molcal descend the more important and thriving Galjaal, Digodia, and Badi-Addo. The Galjaal are nomadic pastoralists occupying the country to the south of the Badi-Addo where they have retained command of the system of wells. Their movements bring them into frequent conflict with the adjacent Gerra. A nucleus of the tribe is stationed in Harar territory north of Burca. The Badi-Addo, who extend along the Shebelle between the Makanne and Kavole, are cultivators and pastoralists and presumably have a cycle of movement to and from the river, similar to that of Karanle described above. Badi-Addo occur also at Javalo near Harar. The Digodia occupy principally a very extensive tract of territory spanning the Webi Gestro and the Ganale Doria and stretching south-west to Wajir in trans-Juba. They are in contact with the Galla Boran and the Gerra as well as with the Gasar Gudda with whom there is frequent strife. On the Dawa, Ganale, and Webi some cultivation is practised by an associated Negroid group, the Garreh Murrah, although the Digodia are essentially nomadic pastoralists. This tribe seems to have been only slightly Islamized for it has a rain-making cult centred round the chief ( Wobur ) and, according to Wright there is no standard blood-compensation payment but in its place the custom of plundering the murderer’s kin ( muroduc ) prevails. Digodia are also found at Burca in Harar district.

References

“The Somali, Afar and Saho groups of the Horn of Africa” by I.M. Lewis

“The Shaping of Somali society” by Cassanelli

Supported by and inferred from: Colucci, Puccioni, Caniglia, Robecchi-Bricchetti, Barile & Ferrand.

[sahal80]

Abgaal will lose, there is no Abgaal initiative, Abgaal this n Abgaal that pretty much sums up This week and Somali politics. Lol

Don't you have better things to do than Abgaal calaacal 24/7 on here. Cuqdad.net

Abgaal is your boss, today, tomorrow and for the rest of your pathetic existence, marka keep your mouth off Abgaal. What a moron.

sahal is not hawiye,his tribe is a tiny fraction of the many clans in hiiraan that is why it bothers him to see abgaal controlling the government and re-instating the somali state with the help of allied clans like HG.

this "tiny faction" has liberated jowhar for you and stayed there for three years!

Even after we pulled out there was even one time we gone back to there inside hantiwadaag chasing out badicade and gaaljecel and the new warsangali admin was happy about it bc they were claiming jowhar at that time

We went as far as qalimow and cleaned their shyt....they placed isbaaro in shaaw and the border area..majority of badicade now live in buurwayn inside middle shabelle bc of that qax from buuloburde...

When I talk to hawadle I don't see them talking against abgaal why? Maybe they don't see you as danger!

They would say hassan is influenced by two men who hate hawadle the most; guleed who's his flash uncle was killed in baledweyne after the liberation for cooperating....and "farah duufle" who has been to baladweyne in his dugsi hoose years before moving to kenya

Anaga gardaro ma naqaan laakiin hadii nala daandaansado oo isbaaro naloo dhigto ama dhulka banka ah la sheegto then get ready for qax!

Hada dawlad baa jirta laakiin waaagii qabiilka no isbaaro was allowed by hawadle from feerfeer to qalimow. That red tiny is qalimow.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... JpIjoidCJ9

Wadanoolaasho yes and have been keeping peace between our gaaljecel and jijeele neigbours for ages since 2005 when there was no dawlad we had militia in there

Been waaye militiada PL looma ogalaan inay xadka feerfeer soo dhaafaan waxay mareen ceelbarde bakool-ceelcali-jowhar maxamed dheeraana dabaray!

Gaaljecel site
http://www.ruunkinet.com/new_3441.htm

"The case study of the jijeele and gaaljeel clans in hiran region also concerns a conflict between two agro-pastoral clans over rural and urban territory, in idale, the conflict was triggered by one person but killed 38 people...an important feature of the peace process was the constructive role played by the dominant hawadle clan in the area whose engagement was prompted by the threat that the conflict pased to the town of belet wein(the regions economic hub) and who initiated the reconciliation and supported"

What's happening in beledweyne now represents our samatalis culture, we believe reconciliation before any powersharing

How can you share banadir or govt without clan reconciliation? How can we share govt with HG without reconciliation?

We called for this in 1999-98, HG refused to join but the abgaals of jowhar(warsangali politicians) have attended (checkout geedi in wiki) mohamed dheere.. no other harti or wacbuudhan...Hussein haji bood as a USC politician from xamar but he went back to xamar when he realized that omar hashi will be elected as the chairman and declared from xamar that he was elected leader kkkkk

Omar hashi was elected as chairman and mohamed dheere as his deputy

So you see we had no problems with jowhar infact were politically allied more than they were with xamar and we have no problem if geedi leads this state or goodax...there r people who won't allow this

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg ... eAFnl7ZYYJ
http://www.irinnews.org/news/1999/07/17 ... leQ7RkeLqC

One of the good outcome of this conference was opening the central highway for the unarmed trucks wich was closed since 1995

If you know how omar hashi did his best to establish inclusive banadir admin where no isbaaro so the THE tfg can be moved to there without ethiopia....this did not happen bc of these mooryaanka but atleast an elected gudoomiye deegaan for banadir was established....today's admin is based on that power sharing.

Parliament has held its first meeting in baydhabo due to zero isbaaro that's how the tfg moved to baydhabo!

http://www.somaliatalk.com/2005/nov/23m205.html

[Strategic]

sahal
i have nothing against hawaadle,they just need to tone down anti-HSM slogans otherwise they are on a collision course with us.

[sahal80]

sahal
i have nothing against hawaadle,they just need to tone down anti-HSM slogans otherwise they are on a collision course with us.

kkkk wallahi your either thick or very delusional person!

This is sheekhal regime in an abgaal garment! Why r you against hawadle changing it for our better well being?

Cabdalke samatalis have told him that hes is under reerow xassan sixir and if he needs their queen readin...he started laughing

Let me explain to you who we r at war with for the last time

Hassan was welcomed in hiiraan and to be honest this state would have been the easiest one had he followed abgaal-hawadle mechanisms as faroole said what do we expact from someone who couldnt recouncil between his reer adeer and reer abti!

Bc it's not about abgaal and hawadle...in the last officials visit to jowhar two of them belong to one clan(odawaa and mahad salaad) vs abdirisaaq and maxamed nuur (deputy finance minister) is this fair? 1 hawadle, 1 abgaal and two HG? Fuck you mooryaans!

See below gudiga farsamada uu iska sameystey...why they r obsessed with us when they can't go to dhusanareeb?

https://mobile.twitter.com/mahadsalad

secodon problem is his saaxiriin

Your garguurte has come beledweyne with farah abdulqadir...farah has made all the arrangements like this jijeele warlord from quracjoome and then they started meeting with every non existing clan alone!

Did we met any abgaal? No.

Why garguurte listens to farah blindly? Bc he made him president, links him to ethiopia, deals with files like JL, Arab NGOs

So this man wants him to pay back every thing.. when he was justice minister he sent two top judges to baledweyne...I have seen their pics when they arrived with "offical papers" they were xeroow old men with red beards! How can you appoint this illiterate for a military court? What hes doing in a hawadle army? To jaajuus our activities?

Bc we r pro govt clan we forgot about it....apparently this was a trial balloon to his presidency of this state!

Do you know where they live? Deep inside ethiopia beyond feerfeer a placed called buur ukur

But bc the liyu police that protect them they moved to the borders and established few cariishes over the border line...this village was established by the end of the 90s waa burinay amxaaraa soo celisay and is now under the ethiopian flag for protection!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaaley

See waa labo xabo
https://youtu.be/cbGBkiCIXac

http://coomaad.net/2015/03/04/xog-maxaa ... u-qalmaan/

Hada way soo qorteen si ay magac uga helaan hiiraan...dhulka uu sheegaayo dhan waa gudaha itoobiya marti bayna ka yihiin marka laga reebo buur ukur.
http://kaxda24.com/?p=989

[TheblueNwhite]

sahal
i have nothing against hawaadle,they just need to tone down anti-HSM slogans otherwise they are on a collision course with us.

The fact that he thinks he has the capacity to liberate us is hilarious. It is an insult to argue with a deranged individual.