ramzy2277 wrote:
To save ur breath for next time, I am not interested on whats on ur genealogical tree nor what ancient buildings is there on ur lands....because simply u existed on the same geographical location an event happened doesnt make u a direct descendant of the people who used to live in that place.....its like buying the egyptian propaganda that they are the direct descendants of the pharoahs ,neglecting there were a huge waves of migration and integration over thousand or hundred of years.
Anyhow, as i said,save ur breath, i lost any interest in giving this class any further.....
You are a complete joke wallahi. The letter that has been interpreted easily as a daa you suddenly want to make us believe is a laam or the yaa a laam too?
Apart from that
So you are saying you are not a direct descendant of Habr Magaadleh?
What the hell are you talking about wallahi you are a FOB man.
What the hell does geographical location have to do with genealogy?
I could be on the moon and my genealogy would still remain.
What class this whole thread you were stuck at point one. You didn't leave point one.
I'm still waiting for you to come out of your hole so we can discuss real facts on the Habr Maqadi aka Makador.
It was just like with the Harti. You said they were mentioned as Xarti and that doesn't prove that it's the Harti.
Then I told you to look at other things beside the name, they were emphasized as "the people of Mait". You tried to negate that too.
This is why they say never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down with experience. I can't take you serious.
He said genealogical tree or geographical location doesn't matter, what a joke.
It's not only genealogical tree or geographical location I have on my side, but many points.
Also Gadabursi were more eastward centuries ago , so your arguments are invalid.
Most sources state Habr Maqadi even the
"The Arabic History of the Gujarat". Do you know the "Arabic History of the Gujarat"
The significance of the Futuh was first recognized in Gujarat, the region of India with closest connections with Ethiopia, and the destination of numerous slaves captured by the imam in the course of his campaigns. A copy of Sihab ad-Din's work reached Gujarat within only a few decades of it's composition.
The Arabic History of the Gujarat
I will destroy you with 10 arguments, maybe even more, while you keep running circles around the name.
1. GENEALOGY
Page 82 of the Futuh Al Habasha: Conquest of Abyssinia
He is of the tribe of Ahmed Girri. So he is of the Habar Maqdi(as written in the book), but a Makida alone has been written now.
Where is Musa bin Abdallah - Makida in the Habr Magaadleh genealogy?
Why from Habr Maqadi/Makadi suddenly to Makida in this genealogy?
First Makida can't be Magaadleh, because the Habr added to Magaadleh part,
signifies that she was a female from the clan of Magaadleh Mahamed Hiniftire.
It's a uterine alliance based on the mother from a different clan.
Whereas with the Habr Garhajis or Habr Makador, the Habr signifies the female of the male Patriarch.
In the case of the patrilineage and abtirsi:
Husain - Musa Bin 'Abdallah - Makida
Husain - Musa Bin 'Abdallah - Makidor
I looked through the Habar Magaadleh genealogy.
http://isaaq.webs.com/habrawal.htm
I encourage anyone to look through the genealogies of the Habar Magaadleh.
There is no evidence, especially not in Habar Awal, who today neighbor the Gadabursi.
Nothing comes close to
Muse bin Abdallah - Makida
I mean you obviously have nothing going for yourself so you try to negate the most important factor: ''genealogy"
Genealogical tree fits into the Habr Makador.
2. GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION
Page 43 of the Futuh Al Habasha: Conquest of Abyssinia
The first of tribes to reach the Imam was the Habr Maqadi, with their lord and chieftain Ahmed Girri Bin Husain , The Somali.
They encamped in a place called Qasa in the heights above the Valley of Harrar.
What is the "Valley of Harrar"? And who's native to the region?
The Valley of Harrar is nothing but the Harerghe Valley, or the Harrare Valley or as the colonials used to call it after what the Gadabursi Somalis named it.
The Harrawa Valley
From the British Library a map from the 1920's
17 Trips through Somaliland 1885
Tiger Slayer By Order, 1915
And many more sources I could share but anyone knows that The Harar Valley or Harrawa Valley is inhabited by the Gadabursi.
3. COUSINS OF THE HABR MAKADOR (GADABURSI) - THE SOUTHERN MANDALUG
A quick look at this table will show you Medulluke, which Gadabursi belongs to.
From the Scottish Geographical Society 1885
Thanks to the Adal wars they were scattered all over the Somali penunsila, where they even reached Kenya.
The table shows a "reer Makador" sub-clan among the Mandalug.
I asked southern Mandalug individuals and they told me that
among the reer Makador, there is a "reer Ahmed Guray" sub-clan.
Again you can ask any southern Mandalug about this.
So I asked to explain how this sub-clan genealogy is attached to Makador.
The answer was as follows
Reer Ahmed Guray - Muse - Makador
Again fitting into the Gadabursi genealogy and
proof of the Habr Makador contribution to the jihad.
The southern Mandalug are located in Somali region of Ethiopia, Kenya and Southern Somalia.
I mean where are the accounts of the scattered Habr Magaadle all the way in the southern parts of the Somali peninsula or even in the center of the Somali peninsula. I mean surely if you joined the war there should be accounts of this.
4.THE ISSUE OF CHIEFTAINSHIP OR TITLES IN THE BOOK
Why the issue of chieftainship?
The issue of chieftainship is very important, since in the book the Habar Makadi have a chieftain called
Ahmed Girri , the Chieftain of the Habar Makadi
Futuh Al Habasha
The Marehan had a chieftain called Hiraabu
Futuh Al Habasha
The Geri had a chieftain called Mattan
Futuh Al Habasha
And many other clans with their chiefs or leader still today practice the same culture.
What happened to Habar Magaadleh chieftancy?
Every traveler in the 1800's encountered the Gadabursi, Marehan, or Geri chieftainship for example
They all had notable chieftainships
Gadabursi Chieftainship
Royal Geographical Society 1891
First Footsteps in East Africa, 1856
Geri chieftainship (Jirad=Garad)
Another example
Marehan Chieftainship, (capo = chief)
Bollettino della Societa geografica italiana 1893
L. Bricchetti Robecchi’s journey through Himan 1890
There are no accounts of a Habar Magaadle chieftainship
When the British arrived there was no accounts of a Habr Awal chieftainship. They are the closest to Gadabursi.
The Bombay Geographical Society, Volume 8 - 1847-1849
I mean
the Gadabursi chieftainship was erected few decades after the Adal Wars.
This of course is proof to keep the tradition of chieftainship flowing and to unite the clan after the wars after losing a lot of men.
Again I give these chieftainships as an example, because the clans mentioned still today practice the culture of a longstanding chieftaincy,
I'm not talking about titles that were erected last century or a bit before that etc.
I mean to think to have a chieftainship in the 1500 and not erect one later after the wars is silly.
Again a reason why it's the
Habr Makador.
5. THE LINK BETWEEN GERI AND GADABURSI (HABR MAKADOR)
The link between the Geri and Gadabursi is very important to show the brotherhood and history between these clans.
Again, the mother of the first chief of the Gadabursi chieftainship was Geri.
Ugaas Cali waxa uu boqornimada qaaday kolkay taariikhdu ahayd 1607dii Miilaadiga,waxuuna ku dhashay meesha la yidhaa Dhoobo oo u dhaw Saylac kolkuu sanadku ahaa 1575 Miilaadiga,Hooyadii waxa la odhan jiray Khadiija Sheekh waxayna Daarood (Gari-aba-yoonis).
Ugaas Cali wuxuu ahaa nin aad wax u yaqaan,oo wuxuu aad ugu xeel dheera diinta Islaamka.wuxuuna wax ku bartay Harar iyo Saylac.Sheekhyadii wax baray waxa u waynaa Amiir Nuur (Sheekh Nuur Yoonis Muuse) oo ka mid ahaa culimada ahaana ina adeerkiii.
Ugaas Cali luqada Carabiga wuu akhriyi iyo qoriba jirey,wuxuu ahaa nin caalima ah wixii dhib ahna ka durka,wuxuuna ahaa nin aad u qurux badan oo dheer,waxan uu lahaa gadh wayn oo laga habadaysto.
Ugaasku waxa uu lahaa aftahanimo kol haduu hadlana laga wada dhagaysto,waxaana la sheegay kitaab quraan ah oo uu ku qorey gacantiisa inuu jiro kolkii uu boqornimada qaaday.
Ugaasku waxa uu noqday nin aad loo adeeco,oo dadkii kala tagsanaa ayuu isu keenay,isaga oo ku dhaqmaya xikmadiisii (Gadabuursi Bah maahee waa beel) ,aad ayuuna ugu daadaalay sidii qabiilka looga fogaan lahaa ee loo midoobi lahaa.
Ugaas Cali waxa uu geeryooday 1639 Miilaadigii,wuxuuna ku geeryooday oo lagu aasay Gabiley,waana la siyaarta qabrigiisa
Again re-affirming the relationship between Geri and Gadabursi(Habr Makador) and intermarriage
Proximity to each other. Their lands overlapping.
Fortunately the foe was not encountered on this occasion, or there would have been a speedy termination to the adventure. The travellers were now entering the land of the Gudabirsi and Girhi Somal.
Richard Burton: Explorer - Hugh Joseph Schonfield - 1936
Africa E. Stanford, 1880
First Footsteps in East Africa, 1856
First Footsteps in East Africa, 1856
As can be seen the Geri are mostly always mentioned next to the Gadabursi.
The Garaad or Chief of Geri welcoming the revival of the Gadabursi chieftancy and gives a warm welcome to the Gadabursi Ugaas in 2011
A warm bond between brothers who have sacrificed a lot of blood for the honor of Muslims/Somalis and the Adal Sultanate.
6. THE NAME HIRAAB
The use of the name Hiraab among the Gadabursi is also proof
of their partaking in the Jihad.
I looked at the genealogy of the Habr Magaadleh or Isaak. I can't find a reer Hiraab.
or the name Hiraab among them.
There are several reer Hiraab clans among the Habr Makador today,
Among the
Abrayn - Mahad 'Ase
Reer Nuur - Makahil
Aden Yoonis -Makahil
etc.
Even one of our Chieftains was named Hiraab.
Could it be that the name Hiraab became popular among the Habar Makador after
having been in contact with Hiraabu the Chief of the Marehan?
Again evidence again that Habr Makador joined the war.
7. SIMILARITIES IN BEHAVIOR
It's very important to note the similarity in behavior
Futuh Al Habash
Futuh Al Habash
First footsteps in East Africa, 1856
Scramble for the Horn of Africa 1827-1977
8. SHEIKH AW-BARRE - AWUBARE - AU BOBAH - AUBUBAH
Another reason is Aw Barre descendant is mentioned in the book fighting alongside the Muslims
Futuh Al Habasha page 281
and we all know where Sheekh Aw-barre today is buried.
He is buried in the region of the Habr Makador (Gadabursi)
Google Maps
Saints and Somalis page 90
First footsteps in East Africa, 1856
Fixed the event at around 300 years ago. 1800 - 300 = 1500.
Again proving Gadabuursi were more eastward tribe in the past.
Destroying your claim even more.
"
Were similar in construction to that of Zayla / Zeila"
Again referring back to the times of Adal Sultanate and the use of same materials for construction.
9. ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF THE ADAL SULTANTATE PRESENT IN THE GADABURSI REGIONS
There is much archaeological evidence and ruins in the Habr Makador regions dating back to the Adal Sultanate days.
From Zayla to Amud to Aw Barre
I will just quote one source, because if I was about to discuss this I might as well open a new thread.
The Archaeology of Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa P 71-72
Adal Sultante ruins in Zayla
10. MAP OF THE PORTUGUESE EXPEDITION TO ABYSSINIA
Almost all Somali clans mentioned in the book could fit easily in the map.
Also the Habr Makador settlements fit very easily in the map.
Again Gadabursi were a more eastward tribe in the past.
The map of Ludovico travels.
The map of the Portugueze Expedition to Abyssinia and the Adal Wars,
Mait was and is no way near the battleground. This also explains why the Harti were the only clan
emphasized with their location in the book.
Now if you insert a few Somali clans, you can imagine that it was something like this
The map of Ludovico travels with certain clans mentioned inserted
Bursuk: who live below Harar etc.
b]Bertire[/b]: who live in close proximity of Geri around Harar
The Habr Makador(Gadabursi): who live in close proximity of the Geri and around Harar and whose land stretches beyond that
Geri: Who live around Harar and more South Eastward
Gorgorah: Who live west of the Gadabursi(Habr Makador)
Hawiye: Who live west of the Gorgorah
11. CHRONOLOGY
Why chronology.
Well I will explain.
You claim that it was the Habr Magaadleh.
Well if it was the Habr Magaadleh then viewing it from a chronological order
The first clan to have joined the Imam would have been Geri, then the Habr Magaadleh
Since they lived more eastward in the past and the Gadabursi lived all the way in Bulhar
and the clans first Ugaas was crowned in Gabiley, leaving your argument baseless saying that geographical location changed drastically.
Based on your claims it would've been like this
The false claim
Accurate
Again the first tribe to join the Imam was the Habr Makadi, they encamped above the Valley of Harar (Gadabursi region)
Futuh Al Habasha page 43
You just keep gluing to the name which even your translators and many have translated to Habr Maqadi or Makadi or Maqdi which is closer to Habr Makador.
Sxb you are just desperate to claim Ahmed Gurey of the Habr Makador
Now again if there is anything other than your attempts at gluing yourself to the name I might take you serious. I mean even a renown historian on Somali and Ethiopian history chose the Habr Makador over the Habr Magaadleh and the translation he used was from Rene Baset originally. Who are you again? Ramzy from somalinet?
You try to negate everything else written about the Habr Maqadi, but you still want to claim it?
Gadabursi have always known Ahmed Gurey was of the Habr Makador, Mahad 'Ase even before these Western translators started to match clans to the Futuh.
You're claim is founded on a matchmaking attempt.
Peace out!
waa arin yaab leh you want my awoowe so bad.
