James Dahl come in about your abtirsi website

[Raganimo]

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

You yourself rely heavily on British accounts that were most likely fed to the colonialists by their Isaaq subjects to discredit daaroods.

I find it ironic that you, of all people, would accuse someone else of being biased.

British account? like what ?

You relied heavily on colonial accounts in one of the countless threads you've been active in about the history of certain daarood clans. I think it was the long thread about dervishes.

It seems like you uncritically cite from these sources when they agree with your agenda but you're quick to discredit them when they go against it.

You're a propagandist and not someone who is objectively seeking to find the truth, so you're the last person to accuse someone of being biased.

[X.Playa]

These are called intelligence papers and those papers have zero shreds of any misinformation because my little jaahil boy its directed to inform the British government and no British colonial servant dares to misinform his government , that's a treason, simply because it doesn't conform to your half washed reality it doesn't mean its lies.

[smartyt]

Lool x playa there is not a darood vagina or guuuus behind every agenda or plan or website

[X.Playa]

Lool x playa there is not a darood vagina or guuuus behind every agenda or plan or website

you made zero sense in that statement , its so out of touch with even the topic at hand or the issue debated,.

[smartyt]

By who account Seikh Isxaaq was the son of the low-cast Midgan ? I assume by the accout of your Daarood girlfriend.

He is not getting laid

[Siciid85]

Why are Darood kids trolling every topic. This discussion is about Isaaq, stop squeezing your asses in

[JSL3000]

Raganimo, smartyt you sri lanka bastars stay out the topic this is not about your imaginary jabarti.

[xagal]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

arinta kale een arkay waxa weeye ninkan hada jordan haysta malik cabdala wuxu sheegtaa hashemite kingdom oo wuxu leeyahay sayid cali waxan ugu tagaa awowga 44aad isaaqeena average ku wuxu ugu tagaa sheikh isaxaq awowga 22aad ,, iyo 26 shekh isaxaaq ka tirsado sayid cali markaa dhowr iyo afartan oday baynu ka tirsanaaa sayid cali , taas lafteedu waxay cadayn u tahay inaynu inagu nahay qolada ugu macquulsan ee sheegata "carrabnimada"

[cyanide]

The "possible father by some accounts" means that there are traditions out there that say the guy's dad is person X, but I don't buy it.

If you go up to Axmed, Isaaq's father, I have another "possible father by some accounts" where he traces up to Ali ibn Abu Talib.

The salient doubt suggested by this genealogy is the barbarous
nature of the names. A noble Arab would not call his children
Jirhajis, Awal, and Rambad.

They Arabized their genealogy with the rise of the 19th century since Richard Burton by some accounts said that Idoor is the son of Dir or Isaak (Idoor) was married to Dir. Meaning around that time considerate amount of Idoors still claimed they were also Dir.
Dir Rooble Damal Muuse of the Habar Yoonis of Galmudug and Puntland is proof of Isaaq changing their genealogy.
Boqor Cusmaan of the Majerteen I think was Bah Dir Rooble.

[cyanide]

Since they always boast about having contact with Yemen it's safe to say this was a Isaak woman from 1870

[hangool79]

Bucur Bacayr is not Maxamed Xanaftire, honestly I am not sure whether Bucur Bacayr actually existed or not or is mythical, there is only a legendary association between Bucur Bacayr and the Midgan ancestor Maxamed Xanif, who lived in the 1400s or so judging by abtirsi.

The Isaaq abtirsi I have seen are chronologically possible, but I don't think it's likely that they're true, that said I don't think the Dir claim is accurate either, I stop at Isaaq Axmed Maxamed, let other people argue about what goes after that.

lool and this comes from jaamac dahir who gobbles up the warsangayli 'sultanate' straight from lucy half ape to current suldaan, no clan has more dubious abtirsi than the dooro clans, especially the majeerteens and warsans, the dhulos mimick their overlord the most, so they are tiny better.

Btw your whole website is sh!t, I suggest you stop this nonsense and mind your own business, we dont need another cadaan fool claiming to be expert on some blackies in the horn. If you wanna continue this charade website, put up a disclaimer that you are no scientist, holds no credentials, your sources are oral or weak, and nothing from the site should be referenced.

The lineage of daaroods is pretty much set in stone and is never disputed. It's you guys who flip flop about whether your forefather was some Iraqi merchant or some Dir nigga lol.

You guys are so dumb that you would accuse your own women of being prostitutes to score a cheap point against Warsangeli. You like to attack the lineage of sultan Mohamoud Ali Shire, yet you do not realise that his mother was from your clan.

Sxb just keep our name out of your stinking mouth and focus on figuring out the actual lineage of your alleged forefather. Was he Dir? Was he Iraqi? Was he Rendille? Was he Madhibaan?

And while you're at it, come up with an explanation for why genetic tests have proven that your tribe is a confederacy You do not all share the same paternal lineage

of all the largest tribes, your dooro clan is the most lowly, forget about lineages, you have fabricated entire tribes, and its true that warsan suldaas was an illegitimate indian, but your whole tribe is a mess, lies, scams, thievery, atheism, prosititution thats what your darood clan is. from the majiirto sultaan offering his womenfolk to modern day ayaan hirsis

but if I understood correctly you're one of the ultra langaabs too afraid to state his real clan, kindly gtfo

[Raganimo]

^You're a degenerate sxb. The reality is that Warsangeli is one of the most respected clans. Our history is well-known. I could go to whatever village you originate from and bag me one of your women and your elders would have nothing but good to say about my qabiil. This is a fact.

We're a sub-sub-sub..... clan of Daarood yet we have historically stood on our own without needing to hide behind the Daarood name. This is the case for all daaroods. You deal with MJ as MJ, dhulos as dhulos, same for Mareexaan and Ogaden. Each daarood clan stands on the merits of its own name and history. Yet how many people even differentiate between Isaaqs outside of your people?

As for the Suldaan, then his mother was Habar Yonis. You would accuse your own Isaaq ayeeyo of adultery just to score a cheap point against Daarood, this is how lowly you are as a human being.

Losers like you have no dignity and no honor. You would attack the honor and name of people who are known just to win some stupid online argument. This is the difference between you and me sxb.

I have Diin and dhaqan. You seem to have neither, najisyahow xumi.

[hangool79]

^You're a degenerate sxb. The reality is that Warsangeli is one of the most respected clans. Our history is well-known. I could go to whatever village you originate from and bag me one of your women and your elders would have nothing but good to say about my qabiil. This is a fact.

We're a sub-sub-sub..... clan of Daarood yet we have historically stood on our own without needing to hide behind the Daarood name. This is the case for all daaroods. You deal with MJ as MJ, dhulos as dhulos, same for Mareexaan and Ogaden. Each daarood clan stands on the merits of its own name and history. Yet how many people even differentiate between Isaaqs outside of your people?

As for the Suldaan, then his mother was Habar Yonis. You would accuse your own Isaaq ayeeyo of adultery just to score a cheap point against Daarood, this is how lowly you are as a human being.

Losers like you have no dignity and no honor. You would attack the honor and name of people who are known just to win some stupid online argument. This is the difference between you and me sxb.

I have Diin and dhaqan. You seem to have neither, najisyahow xumi.

kkk you don't fool me with your pretentious respectability claim

[Raganimo]

These are called intelligence papers and those papers have zero shreds of any misinformation because my little jaahil boy its directed to inform the British government and no British colonial servant dares to misinform his government , that's a treason, simply because it doesn't conform to your half washed reality it doesn't mean its lies.

This stupid argument does not hold water from an academic perspective. We need to know what these reports were based on. Were they based on information that was fed to them by Somalis? If so, what tribe were these somalis from? Do I really have to explain to you how, say, an Isaaq informant would have an interest in disseminating unflattering/negative information about an enemy tribe? I have access to reports by these same colonialists that are extremely unflattering about Isaaqs, particularly the HY, yet I would be foolish to take them at face value without considering the type of Intel that they were based upon.

Fact is, colonial reports relied heavily on local Intel and that Intel was extremely biased. This is a no-brainer really.

[Raganimo]

^You're a degenerate sxb. The reality is that Warsangeli is one of the most respected clans. Our history is well-known. I could go to whatever village you originate from and bag me one of your women and your elders would have nothing but good to say about my qabiil. This is a fact.

We're a sub-sub-sub..... clan of Daarood yet we have historically stood on our own without needing to hide behind the Daarood name. This is the case for all daaroods. You deal with MJ as MJ, dhulos as dhulos, same for Mareexaan and Ogaden. Each daarood clan stands on the merits of its own name and history. Yet how many people even differentiate between Isaaqs outside of your people?

As for the Suldaan, then his mother was Habar Yonis. You would accuse your own Isaaq ayeeyo of adultery just to score a cheap point against Daarood, this is how lowly you are as a human being.

Losers like you have no dignity and no honor. You would attack the honor and name of people who are known just to win some stupid online argument. This is the difference between you and me sxb.

I have Diin and dhaqan. You seem to have neither, najisyahow xumi.

kkk you don't fool me with your pretentious respectability claim

I am nothing like you sxb. You would never see me accusing people who were known and respected of adultery just to win an argument.

Reflect on how bizarre it is that I'm the one who is defending the honor of your HY ayeeyo from you. The Suldaans mother was Musa Carre of the Habar Yonis tribe. Her family was very light skin, almost looked Arab, and that is where he got his looks from.