A huge honorable state funeral for the Gen Jeneraal Maxamed Cali Samantar Allaha u naxariistee

[smartyt]

If Issaq wants to blame anyone for the loss of civilian lives they should blame their own snm traitors who was hiding behind women and children while shooting at our fine government troops who had to defend themself and they did it good any government will defend its cities and citizens aganist armed tratiors

[ramzy2277]

If Issaq wants to blame anyone for the loss of civilian lives they should blame their own snm traitors who was hiding behind women and children while shooting at our fine government troops who had to defend themself and they did it good any government will defend its cities and citizens aganist armed tratiors

xabashi slave, those u calling traitors were fighting ur master to remove their c**ks up ur a**, those traitors were fighting the coward afweyen who surrend to the ethiopian and sold ur ilks for free....so go back and polish the feet of ur xabashi masters .

[smartyt]

There is no logic behind your comment snm was an enemy of Ethiopia ? What a joke in fact they turned into tratiors the minut they crossed the border and joined our biggest enemy often showing Ethiopia all our military secrets and bringing millions of somalis in danger

[AbdiWahab252]

Gobdoon... you should be so happy that idiots like HSM are in charge.

The issue here is not being Pro SNM or AntiSNM but choosing to be moral or immoral. Mohamed Ali Samatar represents a dark Era. He should have been left to be buried where he died just like the numerous AntiBarre exiles who were never accorded state funerals.

To throw him a state funeral sends the signal that you honor him for all of his work including his atrocities in the North and the HAG territories.

As for the SNM supporters, Samatar was a war criminal both in the North where he had your fellow Northerners working withard him and also in the South where he oversaw the start of the HAG uprising. To label him aso being a champion of the South is disingenuous.

[Geeljire252]

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[ramzy2277]

since when anything makes logic to low IQ AGA

most of the SNM leaders were high ranking melitary officers in the ogaden libration war back in 1977/78, hargeisa and boram took the heavy lifting of the war and was the HQ for the somali forces and after cuba ,libya,southern yemen intervention, those 2 cities suffered bombings and attack of the enemy's rockets .

those same heroes who fought to rescue u ,now u calling them traitors for fighting a coward dictator who neglected their cities and when the locals asked for their rights,he returned with brutal and deadly military force.

This is a testimony of the American ambassadors to Somalia during 80s and 90s , i will quote what is relevant here.

Peter Bridges, Ambassador to Somalia, 1984-1986:

We provided a lot of anti-tank weapons… I’m not ashamed that we provided these weapons, although some of them were used in the Somali civil war. The only ones that I really regret were a half dozen large artillery pieces, 155 millimeter rifles, which later, after I left, were hauled up to the north of Somalia and were used to batter the city of Hargeisa, which had risen up against Siad Barre.

James Bishop, Jr., Ambassador to Somalia, 1990-1991

BISHOP: By the mid-1980s, the level of domestic opposition to Siad Barre had grown considerably. Ironically, this was due in part to a rapprochement that was worked out between Somalia and Ethiopia with our encouragement. This agreement resulted in the Ethiopians shipping back to Somalia a number of Barre opponents who took up arms against him in the northern part of the country.

Siad Barre’s reaction to this rebellion was sanguinary. He used artillery and air power against several northern cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians. When we found out about this use of firepower, we halted new lethal military equipment supply arrangements. That obviously added to the strain in our relations with Somalia.

Source:

http://adst.org/2015/06/somalia-from-gr ... led-state/


those gaalo, have more respect and creditbility than ur likes, who call the Mujahdeen against oppression traitors

just to show how you ignorant and cuqdad ridden mind u have defending a war criminal, read this :

The suit was dismissed by a federal district court and then reinstated by the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. It is now pending before the Supreme Court, where a peculiar coalition of defenders is urging reversal. Among them, to the confusion of some observers, are five prominent pro-Israel organizations, each with a professed interest in keeping Samantar out of court. In joint amicus briefs, the groups insist that as a former government official, Samantar should be immune from suit. To hold otherwise, they warn, would violate international law and set an inviting precedent for Israel’s enemies and their supporters in the human rights community.

The arrival of the Israel lobby adds geopolitical intrigue to a case that already read like a Ludlum thriller. And because it speaks to real and immediate consequences, it lends concreteness to a discussion that would have otherwise carried on in the abstract. It is one thing for a lawyer to appeal to legal authority for the proposition that the courts of one nation ought not sit in judgment of the acts of another; it is quite another for five groups purporting to represent the interests of the Israeli government to advise that doing so in this case would be to declare open season on Israeli officials in US courts.

source:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/03/31/ ... eme-court/

Israel Lobby Supports Suspected Human Rights Violator for Fear of Israeli War Crimes Culpability

read the full news here:

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2010/ ... lpability/


only criminals defende each other , but where will they go from ALLAH CAZAWAJAL court.

[Geeljire252]

ramzy2277,

1)He's dhulo.

2) stop shitting on the thread

[Siciid85]

Criminals honouring a criminal. Nothing to see here folks.

[theyuusuf143]

ragaan isaaqa waa naago war ninka markuu noolyahay ka cad gooso markuu dhintana warka faraha badan meytada ka daaa @skywalker true cabdulahi yusuf xumaan badan ayuu xamar u geystay intii uu noolaa ayaa ayaan asaga iyo xabashadiisii banaanka u saarnay oohinta iyo habaartanka waa sheeko dumar wadii dhintay alaha u naxariisto

The problem here is that YOU guys don't differentiate between criminals and statesman. You see your statesman are part time criminals.

Now, the wider world does not give state funerals to war criminals. But, the Hutu have sh!tted on so many state protocols another one really wouldn't make a difference

ragaaan aad mujaahidka u taqaan caruur iyo haween bey dileeen oo qaar codadkoodii la haayo dad baa u yaqaan dambiilayaal dagaal tusaale waxaa kugu filan muuse biixi dad buu eheladoodii layay maanta waa kasaa musharax madaxweyne plus mujaahid ah

Ehelda hadaad ula jeedo askartii kacaanka ee SNM la dagaalamayey Kuwaas cidii dishay denbiilayaal dagaal Maaha unless SNM used chemical weapons against them which is very unlikely. Denbiile dagaal waa Cid kastoo laysay dad shiciba oo aan hubaysnayn. Taariikhda meelna kagama xusna in SNM dad shiciba meel ku dishay from 81 to 91 oo ah mudada SNM ay jirtay as a rebel movement. Prove me wrong hadaad cadayn madaxbanaan hayso such as the human rights watch documents, wararakii warbaahinta caalamku ka tebisay dhacdooyinkii gudagalka SNM ay dalka soo gashay ama muuqaalo kale oo muujinaya SNM oo dad shiciba meel ku dilaysa. Muuse biixi waa shakhsi kamida hogaankii SNM Cid wax cad ku haysata ama maxkamad laga dacweeyey midna ma jirto. Kamana soo horjeedo Hadii dad uu denbi ka Galay wax cad ku haystaan. Laakiin cali samatar maxkamad maraykana oo isaaq iyo abkood toona lahayn baa dad shiciba la koreen wuuna ku cadadaaday denbigiisu weliba isaga afkiisa ka qirtay aakhirkii. Maaha qof layska eedaynayo sabab iyo cadayn la, aan. Nin denbi lagu helay in la difaaco oo marmarsiiyo laga dhigto SNM ba dadbay laysay Maaha, Mar hadaanad hayn cadayn in SNM shicib gumaaday.

[ramzy2277]

Camel Boy, why u seem clueless on every thread !!?....isnt dhulos a darood, wasnt afweyne's faqash composed of MOD, Marexan +Ogaden+ Dhulos.

maybe if u bring the camels u looted to comment instead of u then u may catch up on what members discuss.

[Geeljire252]

^ Kaacaan regime fought everyone, stop acting like you were the only people who experienced kaacan brutality.


Pay your respect to the man or take your calaacal elsewhere.
Allah swt is judging him now.

[ramzy2277]

Camel boy, u either add something to the table or stop asking for my attention.

I don't know where u getting ur deen lessons from , but its allowed to speak in public about wrongful rulers who :

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه، أما بعـد:

فإن الحكام الظلمة كغيرهم من الظلمة عموما الذين جاء الدعاء عليهم في كتاب الله تعالى وفي سنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم. قال الله تعالى: أَلَا لَعْنَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ {هود: 18 }.

وقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: اللهم من ولي من أمر أمتي شيئا فشق عليهم فاشقق عليه، ومن ولي من أمر أمتي شيئا فرفق بهم فارفق به. رواه مسلم وغيره.

وسب الحكام الظلمة وغيرهم يعرف حكمه من خلال قوله تعالى: لَا يُحِبُّ اللَّهُ الْجَهْرَ بِالسُّوءِ مِنَ الْقَوْلِ إِلَّا مَنْ ظُلِمَ {النساء: 148}.

not only that but its permissible to make DUCA against those who done injustice to the muslim publics.

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه أما بعد:

فإذا كان الإمام عدلاً متبعاً للحق رحيماً بالرعية، فإن الدعاء عليه ظلم واعتداء ومجاوزة للسنة، وإذا كان ظالماً فاسقاً مغيراً للشريعة متبعاً لهواه، فالدعاء عليه جائز ومشروع.

وفي هذا السياق يفهم حديث النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: خيار أئمتكم الذي تحبونهم ويحبونكم، ويصلون عليكم وتصلون عليهم، وشرار أئمتكم الذين تبغضونهم ويبغضونكم…. رواه مسلم، ومعنى تصلون عليهم تدعون لهم.

ويتنزل كلام العلماء في الدعاء على السلطان أو له على ما تقدم، وقد صح عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه دعا على الولاة الذين يشقون على الأمة، كما جاء في صحيح مسلم: اللهم من ولي من أمر أمتي شيئاً فشق عليهم فاشقق عليه، ومن ولي من أمر أمتي شيئاً فرفق بهم فارفق به.

فكيف يقال إن الدعاء على الظلمة من الحكام مخالف للسنة، فالحاكم الظالم يدعى عليه كما يدعى على سائر الظلمة

PS: if you cant read arabic, maybe adeero dahir cawis can make translation from his 5 star mansion

[smartyt]

I know the SNM military leaders were war heros from 77 and I am not the one taking away any credit from them they did that by themself by betraying their country only 4 years later and ruined any patriotric legacy in the eyes of the somali public. We are going to betray our own country just for having other views on devleopment than the president ? Oh cry me a river ambassador Peter the americans 3 years later in 1991 killed 200000 iraqis in a total never seen before in history air strikes on Iraq. Maybe the good Peter should write a book about that or the 1300 somali civilians his country killed in mogadishu 1993

[joof]

The problem here is that YOU guys don't differentiate between criminals and statesman. You see your statesman are part time criminals.

Now, the wider world does not give state funerals to war criminals. But, the Hutu have sh!tted on so many state protocols another one really wouldn't make a difference

ragaaan aad mujaahidka u taqaan caruur iyo haween bey dileeen oo qaar codadkoodii la haayo dad baa u yaqaan dambiilayaal dagaal tusaale waxaa kugu filan muuse biixi dad buu eheladoodii layay maanta waa kasaa musharax madaxweyne plus mujaahid ah

Ehelda hadaad ula jeedo askartii kacaanka ee SNM la dagaalamayey Kuwaas cidii dishay denbiilayaal dagaal Maaha unless SNM used chemical weapons against them which is very unlikely. Denbiile dagaal waa Cid kastoo laysay dad shiciba oo aan hubaysnayn. Taariikhda meelna kagama xusna in SNM dad shiciba meel ku dishay from 81 to 91 oo ah mudada SNM ay jirtay as a rebel movement. Prove me wrong hadaad cadayn madaxbanaan hayso such as the human rights watch documents, wararakii warbaahinta caalamku ka tebisay dhacdooyinkii gudagalka SNM ay dalka soo gashay ama muuqaalo kale oo muujinaya SNM oo dad shiciba meel ku dilaysa. Muuse biixi waa shakhsi kamida hogaankii SNM Cid wax cad ku haysata ama maxkamad laga dacweeyey midna ma jirto. Kamana soo horjeedo Hadii dad uu denbi ka Galay wax cad ku haystaan. Laakiin cali samatar maxkamad maraykana oo isaaq iyo abkood toona lahayn baa dad shiciba la koreen wuuna ku cadadaaday denbigiisu weliba isaga afkiisa ka qirtay aakhirkii. Maaha qof layska eedaynayo sabab iyo cadayn la, aan. Nin denbi lagu helay in la difaaco oo marmarsiiyo laga dhigto SNM ba dadbay laysay Maaha, Mar hadaanad hayn cadayn in SNM shicib gumaaday.

SNM dad badan oo aan hubeysneyn ayey dileen hadaa si daacaa u baarto waad heleysaa waxaana ka mid ah xasuuqii Dilla oo dad rayad ah lagu layay .

[TheblueNwhite]

AUN to the General. Samir iyo imaan to his loved ones.