Some Arabs are bad some are good!! really.

[Macarons]

I am not talking eloping. Eloping means there's an agreement between a couple. I don't why you can't see that marriages happened beyond eloping. Did you know that a girl could walk into a man's home and refuse to leave until his family agreed to marry her to him? On the other hand, Somali nomads stole girls. It happened. Thereafter, whatever the elders decided according to Xeer was "damage control".

That's called "heerin" girls travel to find a husband and don't come back till they get one. now what does this practice has to do with the Arab/Muslim rape of enslaved captured women??

Are you slow or thick? This was a discussion with Futurist.

[Macarons]

Macarons sorry but Xeer law does not allow that and you are confusing eloping (la tegasho) with kidnapping. You cannot just 'kidnap' or 'steal' a person, without any legal consequences or repercussions, that is not how it works.

Not to mention the fact that the family would not allow it. Even from a practical sense your assertion does not make sense: the girl can just walk away and go back home.

It would be a deprivation of liberty and Somali Xeer law guarantees in principle, as a birthright, every person's right to liberty. Call it xor u dhalasho if you will.

I think we are talking past each other. I'm not discussing the ideals of Xeer, but reality. Kidnapping happened even if it went against Xeer. This was also true during wars where women and camels were looted.
A girl's family can refuse a man which is why compensation or xaal bixin existed. Also you must appreciate the taboo of simply entering a man's home. A girl cannot easily make the decision to 'leave' as socially she is not considered a virgin anymore or worse falls pregnant. Shame is a powerful tool.

[Futurist]

I see what you mean. I accept that historically there were probably a few instances of what youve described, but it was the exception rather than the norm.

But in these days we have an increasingly urban population, the practice of la tegasho is exceedingly rare.

[Macarons]

So we agree that rapists have no race, and this thread is as bait as it gets.

Thank you and good night.

[Futurist]

We sort of reached a middle ground, yeah

Good night.

[X.Playa]

So we agree that rapists have no race, and this thread is as bait as it gets.

Thank you and good night.

Its ironic you call it rape but your religion claim it's ok to rape women as long you overpower their people.

[PanSomaliNationalist]

Some Arabs are good, some are bad. Just in the same way that some Somalis are good and some are bad.

But we do need to be vigilent against the bad aspects of Arabic culture. There's a risk of it seeping into Somali culture.

Doesn't exist. If it did, Somalis wouldn't be attending every jumca prayer wearing shalwar kameez and Arabian thobes.

Sleeping seems like a better term for Somali culture. lets say it had a 26 year nap and It'll wake up right about now.

[grandpakhalif]

Listen you Buddhist cow worshipping piss showering murtad, yaraantaada nin Carab miyuu kuu faraxumeeyey? You seem obsessed with them to the point of inferiority complex.

The world will one day be ruled by al Imam Al Mahdi the descendent of the Prophet SCWS

So keep crying on the internet

[X.Playa]

Listen you Buddhist cow worshipping piss showering murtad, yaraantaada nin Carab miyuu kuu faraxumeeyey? You seem obsessed with them to the point of inferiority complex.

The world will one day be ruled by al Imam Al Mahdi the descendent of the Prophet SCWS

So keep crying on the internet

The irony you worship Arabs and you are accusing me of inferiority complex, what a twisted logic.

By the way if you give a blow job to this Arab imam does that guarantee your spot in the Arab havean.?

[grandpakhalif]

Blowjob iyo anshax xummadas innagu manaqaano, dad Islam ba nahay you are obsessed with Arabs but they dont give two shits about you

[InaSamaale]

Okay, we just going to act like injustices to ethnic minorities, to women and children don't exist in Somalia? If we were such a morally upright civil society, many of us wouldn't be in the west.


The Arabs have their problems and so do we. People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing rocks.

[X.Playa]

Inasamaale instead of talking rubbish to defend your Arab masters I dare you to illustrate to us somali crimes against humanity in the same degree and magnitude as Arabs.

[Cherine]

You've got it completely wrong. You're referring to the historic cultural practice of 'la tegasho'. This is when two young people elope, so don't make it sound more sinister than it is. It does not involve rape I dont know where you have heard that. It is exceedingly rare nowadays anyway, but historically if the family of the girl opposes the marriage they just contact the boy's elders and she would be brough back safe and sound or there would be war; Somali Xeer Law demands and stipulates this.

Eloping is completely different, there were other methods of marriage. Kidnapping was one such method. If a man likes a female, he grabs her by force and takes her to his home. The female's family have no choice but to go to his home and are compelled to give her away because of this same Xeer. It is shameful to reject a proposal and the female's family will have to compensate for rejection. Also once a girl enters a man's home she automatically loses the special status of "gabarnimo" or "virginity".Socially, she is not as valued. This is even true today.

No this is exactly what eloping means "run away secretly in order to get married". It is the text book definition.

I don't know where you heard these stories about grabbig by force. That is not at all what 'le tagasho' means. La tegasho is when two young people elope and the boy is said to have "gone away" with a girl, this is the literal definition. The young couple will usually go to a relative's house (a close uncle or aunt who will plead eith the girl's family on the young couple's behalf). It usually happens when a girl's family refuse initially the marriage and it is a last desperate ploy by the boy, to show his unwavering desire to marry the girl. The girl's family however usually have absolute discretion in whether the marriage is actually officiated - and although they cannot force the girl to not marry because Xeer law guarantees individual liberty - they can nonetheless formally object to the marriage through elders or a Xeer court and they are more likely to succeed if the girl changes her mind and does not want to marry.

You make it sound far more sinister than it is.

Macaron is not making things up, someone posted a thread not too long ago about an ancient bride kidnapping tradition in Somalia.

Somalis have murdered, raped, maimed, orphaned, widowed millions in the 91 war. Arabtaas u odaygan kharifay inugu wasay waxba maa dhaano.

[saab9000]

What I'm seeing here I'd very disappointing. Somalis throwing their own self under the bus in order to defend daddy Arabs cult. Oh, how low have we fallen.

[X.Playa]

Eloping is completely different, there were other methods of marriage. Kidnapping was one such method. If a man likes a female, he grabs her by force and takes her to his home. The female's family have no choice but to go to his home and are compelled to give her away because of this same Xeer. It is shameful to reject a proposal and the female's family will have to compensate for rejection. Also once a girl enters a man's home she automatically loses the special status of "gabarnimo" or "virginity".Socially, she is not as valued. This is even true today.

No this is exactly what eloping means "run away secretly in order to get married". It is the text book definition.

I don't know where you heard these stories about grabbig by force. That is not at all what 'le tagasho' means. La tegasho is when two young people elope and the boy is said to have "gone away" with a girl, this is the literal definition. The young couple will usually go to a relative's house (a close uncle or aunt who will plead eith the girl's family on the young couple's behalf). It usually happens when a girl's family refuse initially the marriage and it is a last desperate ploy by the boy, to show his unwavering desire to marry the girl. The girl's family however usually have absolute discretion in whether the marriage is actually officiated - and although they cannot force the girl to not marry because Xeer law guarantees individual liberty - they can nonetheless formally object to the marriage through elders or a Xeer court and they are more likely to succeed if the girl changes her mind and does not want to marry.

You make it sound far more sinister than it is.

Macaron is not making things up, someone posted a thread not too long ago about an ancient bride kidnapping tradition in Somalia.

Somalis have murdered, raped, maimed, orphaned, widowed millions in the 91 war. Arabtaas u odaygan kharifay inugu wasay waxba maa dhaano.

That's called civil war , and isn't comparable to some Arab arguing for slavery, sodomy , kidnapping , organ harvesting , beheading , raping , burning people alive, castrating tens of thousands of African children for the sodomites markets of Makah and Baghdad , depopulating eastern Europe for sex-slavery legalized by their religion , slaughtering poor Christian Ethiopians on video calling for the exterminations of Jews, raping thousands of women held as sex slaves both Oromos and Somalis in Yemen and Libya where they have to make $200 daily for their masters and be raped by at least 50 men daily to make the quota, slaughtering and enslaving poor Somali migrants in Yemen and Saudi and Libya and organ harvesting with impunity like one corrals goats for slaughter they corral thousands of poor African men and women in Sinai for slaughter upon the order of organ, hating the entire population on the face of earth because nobody believes their Mohammed. You can't possibly compare all these crimes that has been going on since the 6th century to Somalis few years of civil war, there are thousands upon thousands of Oromo/Amxaara/Tigre that live today among Somalis have you ever heard Somalis kidnapping raping enslaving killing robbing these people???

shut your dark hole dumb cow, Somali population isn't even enough to rape maim or widow millions as you claim , but you and your whoring kind will do anything to defend the immorality and inhumanity of the Arabs even falsely accusing Somalis of worst crimes to absolve your Arab religious masters..