Putin Waa Raggeedi

[Machiavelli2]

If non-salafis Sunnis are grouped as some sort of deviant suufis by the salafis, so be it. Give credit to where it is due, Saudi influenced Chechen salafi jihadists wanted to turn Chechnya into like an Alshabab government, but thanks to Putin who helped the Chechens transform their society into a modern devout nation of Muslims. As you can attest from the video, Gurey was absolutely on the money by stating. "There is an Islamic revival in chechnya, more and more people are becoming devout". I for one, would like to see a well developed Somalia embracing Islam like the Chechens shown in that video. Putin has won the minds and hearts of the Chechen people. One major reason why Islam is growing within the Russian Federation.

Putin is not some saviour that's comming to help Muslims. He was out doe his own interests.
The reason why he won the loyalty of the Chechen people is because he made a fair deal with the and kept his word.

Let's cooperate against the foreign fighters that have hijacked the war of independence and you get autonomy as well as aid in reconstruction.

Chechnya in 2000 was worse than Somalia.
Imagine if Alshabab leadership was foreign, and they started eliminating all opposition.

gurey

Ina Adeer, you are absolutely right about Putin, but his decision to economically invest in Chechnya has paid handsomely for all involved. It was a win/win situation for Russia's stability and a bright future for the Chechens. Much of the violence and attraction to Alshabab like ideology stems from poverty and illiteracy. The Salafi ideology in Saudi Arabia produced a backward and dysfunctional education system based on Rote learning after wasting trillions of $$$ on education. Poor Egypt produces better scientists and engineers.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Mashallah, sadly this will never happen in the hellhole known as Horn of Africa and by in Large Africa.

[TheMightyNomad]

Masha -Allah. This video made my day.

May there be peace and prosperity to Muslims worldwide.

Why? There's so much bid'ah and fitnah in that video..

May Allah (Swt) return them to the pure deen.

Abaayo, here i am wishing peace and blessings to my Muslim brothers and sisters all over the world.

And here you are questioning that?

[TheMightyNomad]

First of all there is no such thing as pure deen. The message of Islam is for all people and all times; that’s the essence of its universality. So being a Muslim does not mean speaking Arabic or loosing one’s mother tongue and Muslims have no insight as to who will gain God’s favor on the Day of Judgment. The day and what will transpire therein are exclusive to God, not the creations. Islam does not require cultural uniformity. These are deeply embedded ideals of Islam in its altruistic universal application among people of diversity—from Sudan to Indonesia and any other geographical community where the faith is being practiced a semblance of peculiar culture could be seen. The same thing with us, the unique Somali expression within this faith is not homologous but in Somalia , the Somali traditions are distinctively Somali.

The primary challenge with Islam has always been that of the fact that those who God in His infinite wisdom has given the power to spread Islam are also doing so to spread their particular culture which is wrapped up in the Islamic ideology, as in the case of Saudi Arabia's Salafism, which is just Arab nationalism disguised as Islam. Is their brand of islam not ours.

This is the first, and still perhaps definitive “problem” which has created misunderstanding and misrepresentation and fueling the phobia shown or being shown to Islam in recent memory.

All those Somalis who are acting like bunch of pathetic victims yelling Arab supremacy, should take a page from the book of other Muslim communities in how they have successfully resisted Salafism or Najdi Arab Islam. Looking at Islam in Turkey, West Africa, Indonesia and China we see a strong de-emphasis on this Arabized Islamic version. This is testimony to the agency at work within these places.

[TheMightyNomad]

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Much of the violence and attraction to Alshabab like ideology stems from poverty and illiteracy.

Ok this is false,the root of Alshabaab,terrorism and it's attraction is not theological nor is it because people are poor or illiterate.

It is based on actual grievances. Foreign intervention/meddling, lack of political representation, marginalization, Encroachment of westernization , impotent government and proxy leadership , very high inequality. Most of all it stems from the fact there is a huge denial of Somali self-determination.

The problem with self-determination is you accept it in totality, or reject it in totality. If it comes in the shape of Pan-Somalism or in the shape of Islamist -- the principle has merit. The internal conflicts of a nation are to be resolved internally, regardless of if that internal is defined within a nation state, or as a Pan-Somali block.

But what is cannot be is a proxy war for the US and other West interest, who use a Somali hand to do American work. (UN,American base, Amisom, Proxy leadership etc).

As the popular saying goes:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

- Alik Gerald Seymour

[Xildiiid]

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Nonsense, if that was the case they wouldn't pledge allegiance to the US created and funded Al-Qaida.

AS is fighting in Somalia on behalf of foreign interests mainly from the Gulf States. The same reason why Somaliland is not independent despite its historical legitimicy, not to mention the invasion and full blown assault on Yemen.

It all comes down to the vital shipping lanes and the domination of this strategic part of the World.

[TheMightyNomad]

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Nonsense, if that was the case they wouldn't pledge allegiance to the US created and funded Al-Qaida.

AS is fighting in Somalia on behalf of foreign interests mainly from the Gulf States. The same reason why Somaliland is not independent despite its historical legitimicy, not to mention the invasion and full blown assault on Yemen.

It all comes down to the vital shipping lanes and the domination of this strategic part of the World.

Oh yeah the so called mythical Al Qaeda. It is brand with no exact definition, no meaning, no one knows what it means to be member of this mythical group ,heck no one knows if they really exist or just a figment of US foreign policy

The Al Qaeda brand has proven to be a lucrative "investment". From 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq to Libya and currently Syria. And, now, the neocolonial reconquest of Africa. That's what you call "return on money


Alik Finian Cunningham

Just put Al-Qaeda or terrorist in front of someone's name and you have yet another Drone target


Alik Shahadah

Alshabaab definitely is not fighting for interests in the Gulf, that is a complete oxymoron. Alshabaab is group comprised of Somalis, founded and located in Somalia their interests lies in Somalia.
Here is an example of a Member from Somaliland Isaaq Habar Jeclo and was a member of the Somali parliament before joining Alshabaab. Notice what he is talking about is purely something centered in Somali politics.

It all comes down to self determination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAJfEsToKY

[TheMightyNomad]

Now to be clear i am not sympathetic to Alshabaabs crimes on innocent civilians i condemn that ,since i find it totally reprehensible and immoral, but i am sympathetic to their background.. So-called terrorist are people who have been denied a forum for redress their grievances and in that vacuum, overwhelmed by inequity they take extreme methods. To break the yoke of apartheid terrorism was a vital tool.

[gurey25]

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This site is monitored.

[QaxootiWaaxid]

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[Estranged]

Masha -Allah. This video made my day.

May there be peace and prosperity to Muslims worldwide.

Why? There's so much bid'ah and fitnah in that video..

May Allah (Swt) return them to the pure deen.

Abaayo, here i am wishing peace and blessings to my Muslim brothers and sisters all over the world.

And here you are questioning that?

No, I was referring to the part where you said it made your day. For me seeing the deviation in that video was quite upsetting. Of course I also wish for peace and prosperity for all Muslims.

[Estranged]

First of all there is no such thing as pure deen. The message of Islam is for all people and all times; that’s the essence of its universality. So being a Muslim does not mean speaking Arabic or loosing one’s mother tongue and Muslims have no insight as to who will gain God’s favor on the Day of Judgment. The day and what will transpire therein are exclusive to God, not the creations. Islam does not require cultural uniformity. These are deeply embedded ideals of Islam in its altruistic universal application among people of diversity—from Sudan to Indonesia and any other geographical community where the faith is being practiced a semblance of peculiar culture could be seen. The same thing with us, the unique Somali expression within this faith is not homologous but in Somalia , the Somali traditions are distinctively Somali.

The primary challenge with Islam has always been that of the fact that those who God in His infinite wisdom has given the power to spread Islam are also doing so to spread their particular culture which is wrapped up in the Islamic ideology, as in the case of Saudi Arabia's Salafism, which is just Arab nationalism disguised as Islam. Is their brand of islam not ours.

This is the first, and still perhaps definitive “problem” which has created misunderstanding and misrepresentation and fueling the phobia shown or being shown to Islam in recent memory.

All those Somalis who are acting like bunch of pathetic victims yelling Arab supremacy, should take a page from the book of other Muslim communities in how they have successfully resisted Salafism or Najdi Arab Islam. Looking at Islam in Turkey, West Africa, Indonesia and China we see a strong de-emphasis on this Arabized Islamic version. This is testimony to the agency at work within these places.

You're conflating deen and culture. Culture is from the people and will be different between Muslims of varying backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with this as long as it doesn't go against any aspect of the deen. Deen is from Allah (Swt) and applies to every Muslim in every land, it is not subject to our preferences.

There are, of course, differences of opinions on many matters within the deen; this is perfectly acceptable and has always existed. Then there are acts which have no basis in the deen; these are innovations which we have been warned about and must therefore reject.

What transpired in that video falls into the latter category.

[Xildiiid]

Lol, a tiny faction within AS are fighting for something that's unachievable which is Somali self determination. Many of them being former moderates within the ICU alliance. Saalax Badbaado was mentally ill and he sacrificed his life in vain.

AS as a terrorist group though has pledged allegiance to dirty Ayrabs. How can they fight for Somali interest?

You think too much of Somalis kid. Waa xoolo who don't know their interests.

[TheMightyNomad]

TheMightyNomad I advise you to be careful when discussing this subject.
This site is monitored.

No need to fear, i watch what i say.

but more importantly i have many layers of protection and i make sure that i do not get tracked.

[TheMightyNomad]

Why? There's so much bid'ah and fitnah in that video..

May Allah (Swt) return them to the pure deen.

Abaayo, here i am wishing peace and blessings to my Muslim brothers and sisters all over the world.

And here you are questioning that?

No, I was referring to the part where you said it made your day. For me seeing the deviation in that video was quite upsetting. Of course I also wish for peace and prosperity for all Muslims.

There is no deviation, because there is no monocultural islam. So they are not deviating just because they do not follow Salafi Arab islam.