Are Oromo the greatest African conquerors?

[Lion104]

We need to culturally conquer all the Muslims in the Horn of Africa into Somali culture. This is the goal after we first unite among ourselves.

I am not advocating for war, but rather a peaceful approach. How can we all be genetically pretty much the same/look the same, share the same religion but divided along cultural lines? Nomads are very stupid ppl as long as they speak our language and are accepted into somali society then this is a win not a L.

[Django]

Hiil Samaale raximuhullah gave birth to 9 sons:

Irir Samaale (Hawiye and Dir)
Gardheere Samaale (Garre, Gaaljecel, Degodia and Awrmale)
Mayle Samaale (Xawaadle)
Maqarre Samaale (Ajuuraan, Dabarre and Irrole)
Yahabuur Samaale (Hubeer)

Gariife Samaale (deceased)
Xammare Samaale (deceased
Xariire Samaale (deceased)
Karur Samaale (deceased)

The dynamics are complicated as today for example Xawaadle (Mayle), Gaaljecel (Gardheere) and Degodia (Gardheere) have allied themselves with Hawiye (Irir) whilst the Irole and Dabarre (Maqarre) and some aections of the Garre (Gardheere) have allied themselves with the Digil Raxaanweyne (Saab) confederacy also the Awrmaale (Gardheere) have been assimilated within the Harti Daarood.

This is pure lies there was no samaale in history.

Hawiye are indeed from Borana.

[Xaldoon]

Hiil Samaale raximuhullah gave birth to 9 sons:

Irir Samaale (Hawiye and Dir)
Gardheere Samaale (Garre, Gaaljecel, Degodia and Awrmale)
Mayle Samaale (Xawaadle)
Maqarre Samaale (Ajuuraan, Dabarre and Irrole)
Yahabuur Samaale (Hubeer)

Gariife Samaale (deceased)
Xammare Samaale (deceased
Xariire Samaale (deceased)
Karur Samaale (deceased)

The dynamics are complicated as today for example Xawaadle (Mayle), Gaaljecel (Gardheere) and Degodia (Gardheere) have allied themselves with Hawiye (Irir) whilst the Irole and Dabarre (Maqarre) and some aections of the Garre (Gardheere) have allied themselves with the Digil Raxaanweyne (Saab) confederacy also the Awrmaale (Gardheere) have been assimilated within the Harti Daarood.

This is pure lies there was no samaale in history.

Hawiye are indeed from Borana.

Oromo boy, Hawiye are ibn Samaale

[Iqsom]

Honestly just seem like cockroaches tbh, spread everywhere. Come back dussin. How come they don't have a country?

[Strategic]

Honestly just seem like cockroaches tbh, spread everywhere. Come back dussin. How come they don't have a country?

ask the oromo SNET resident Waachis.

[Waachis]

Honestly just seem like cockroaches tbh, spread everywhere. Come back dussin. How come they don't have a country?

Dussin? What's that?
Anyways, the main reason we do not have a country is the majority of Oromos are not in agreement that we need independence.
for the wollo and other oromo groups up north, who traditionally shared power with the abyssinians, they do not see the benefit(s) of seceding from a country they played a huge role in making. even the muslim oromo of the south/south east would not be enthusiastic about secession.
it'd be like daroods and hawiyes wanting independence from somalia when they're some of the biggest clans, right? [or something like that.]
if the majority of oromos were truly desiring their own independent state/republic of oromia, trust me, nobody would be able to stop it.

[Iqsom]

Honestly just seem like cockroaches tbh, spread everywhere. Come back dussin. How come they don't have a country?

Dussin? What's that?
Anyways, the main reason we do not have a country is the majority of Oromos are not in agreement that we need independence.
for the wollo and other oromo groups up north, who traditionally shared power with the abyssinians, they do not see the benefit(s) of seceding from a country they played a huge role in making. even the muslim oromo of the south/south east would not be enthusiastic about secession.
it'd be like daroods and hawiyes wanting independence from somalia when they're some of the biggest clans, right? [or something like that.]
if the majority of oromos were truly desiring their own independent state/republic of oromia, trust me, nobody would be able to stop it.

I mixed in some swedish in there, meant dozen. Yea you're a lot of ppl. But where is your region? You seem to be everywhere? For example Its clear where somalis are, but do you have original land that you could actually call oromo land? Its interesting you didn't say anything about me calling you cockroaches. Im just annoyed about the immigration to Somaliland. Im sure ya'll are decent, but should return to your amxara brethren.

[Waachis]

Honestly just seem like cockroaches tbh, spread everywhere. Come back dussin. How come they don't have a country?

Dussin? What's that?
Anyways, the main reason we do not have a country is the majority of Oromos are not in agreement that we need independence.
for the wollo and other oromo groups up north, who traditionally shared power with the abyssinians, they do not see the benefit(s) of seceding from a country they played a huge role in making. even the muslim oromo of the south/south east would not be enthusiastic about secession.
it'd be like daroods and hawiyes wanting independence from somalia when they're some of the biggest clans, right? [or something like that.]
if the majority of oromos were truly desiring their own independent state/republic of oromia, trust me, nobody would be able to stop it.

I mixed in some swedish in there, meant dozen. Yea you're a lot of ppl. But where is your region? You seem to be everywhere? For example Its clear where somalis are, but do you have original land that you could actually call oromo land? Its interesting you didn't say anything about me calling you cockroaches. Im just annoyed about the immigration to Somaliland. Im sure ya'll are decent, but should return to your amxara brethren.

Aha, I see. Yes we are large in number, but without unity, numerical strength is not enough. But alhamdulilah we could have been wiped out like many other ethnic groups. Oromia is our region, but I do agree that our borders [with our neighbors] are not demarcated, so drawing the borders for an independent Oromia would be very difficult. I assumed you were a woman and Islam/Oromo culture both taught me to respect and honor women, even when they do not respect you, so that's why I did not resort to insulting you.
Some of our people migrate there to escape rape, murder and so on. Your people would do the same, in fact, they do. There are many Somali refugees in both Ethiopia AND Kenya. None of our people are doing so well that they're not affected by the issues that makes people migrate.
and somaliland should return to somalia, you'll never be recognized as independent.

[Iqsom]

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Your people would do the same, in fact, they do. There are many Somali refugees in both Ethiopia AND Kenya. None of our people are doing so well that they're not affected by the issues that makes people migrate.
and somaliland should return to somalia, you'll never be recognized as independent.
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Somalis go to somali territories though, but true that those territories are funded by the people who falsely claim those territories. Still somali land. I agree, we're all suffering. I'm not gonna go there with somaliland but i will say that if we did go to somalia as you think we should, your people would not find peace in "to escape rape, murder and so on" from those who are putting you through that! So they should be grateful that exists!!

And yes i'm a female, not a 10 year old child, speak as you wish!

[Waachis]

Somali territories in other countries, so in reality, other peoples countries. Ethiopia has Somali inhabited areas, but it's still Ethiopia. An entirely different country that's not administered by Somalis themselves.
and the mogadishu instability cannot happen in somaliland unless the people there allow it. al shabab only attacks because it still has some kind of support among the locals. cut the support they have, somehow/someway and they'll be defeated. and also kick out the foreigners in somalia who have ulterior motives.
and I will not insult you even if you insult me, that's okay, I can take some insults on the internet [been through way more in real life, so.]

[MarsinQorahay]

Somali territories in other countries, so in reality, other peoples countries. Ethiopia has Somali inhabited areas, but it's still Ethiopia. An entirely different country that's not administered by Somalis themselves.
and the mogadishu instability cannot happen in somaliland unless the people there allow it. al shabab only attacks because it still has some kind of support among the locals. cut the support they have, somehow/someway and they'll be defeated. and also kick out the foreigners in somalia who have ulterior motives.
and I will not insult you even if you insult me, that's okay, I can take some insults on the internet [been through way more in real life, so.]

Ogaden region is part of the federal system in ethiopia and they are getting their fair share in the government seats, they also govern their own state which is A role model for the rest of the ethiopian federal states.
Dont compare your 50 million useless baboons to a 5 million ogadens, if you were such a warriors menelik wouldnt have cutt your grandmothers breasts.

[Waachis]

They maybe running their own state, but it's the TPLF/Tigrayan generals who have the final say in serious matters.
Do not forget, the tplf overthrew and replaced the somali regional president multiple times.
and the ogaden are not 5 million, they are at the most, 2.5 million. did you forget there's 11 or more other somali clans residing in Ethiopia?
and not all oromos got their ''breasts cut,'' it was just in arsi. some led meneliks army, some resisted it, the oromo history is very complex and not as simplistic as the somali history.
it was the oromo-amhara armies who forced the ogaden/or somali areas to be with ethiopia in the first place. do not forget ras makonnen the oromo warrior who raided the ogaden, took your cattle, killed those who resisted and then went back to shoa or harar. LOL.

[MarsinQorahay]

Mr sadaccha no need to lie to my face as im from the ogaden and have enough knowledge to my regions than you who is not even from the eastern part of ethiopia but jimma, Tigray rules the whole country including your useless people of 50 million, we as ogadens of the somali region are the majority and will make the decisions of the region not those "11" somali clan your talking about, as a matter of fact bring the evidence of those 11 clans you claim resides in my region and lets see if your man enough to backup your claims.
Ras makonnen the former oromo muslim who converted to christianity and later ended up cutting his sisters and mothers breasts could not come further down harar as he knew he would be slaughtered by either the dervishes or the mohamed zubeir clan. Take a look your kins and their amhaara masters used to ride on donkeys while somalis used horses, see the difference between us? We are not on the same level as you have history of being occupied and abused for over 300 years while somalis had history on defeating the portugese.

[AwRastaale]

The ones who cut the breasts of Arsi women were Oromo warriors who believed in the Abyssinian establishment and were rather very influential Oromo dynasty mainly the Yejju who were related to the Arsi as Bareentu moiety.

Today however Ogadens also bury their women, children and elderly in mass graves for their Tigrai masters.

The difference is Oromo ruled Ethiopia and had and still has higher influences in the Ethiopian state formation and history while Ogaden is just conquered subject.


Even Haile Selassie was Oromo. The El Conquistador of Ogaden, Ras Makonnen, was Oromo, the father of Haile Selassie.

Ras Ali Mohammed of Wollo.

Ras Darge who also took part in the Ogaden and Bale conquest was Oromo.

Menelik himself was half Oromo and his wife an Oromo. He handed the power to his grandson, Lij Iyasu (child Elias/Ilyas), an Oromo (son of Ras Ali Mohammed).

Balcha aba Nafso, Ras Gobana and the many more who made Ethiopia.

In short Oromo flying the Abbysinian flag conquered the Ogaden and added them to Ethiopia forever. In the 60s Ogadens were flooding poetry, praising and begging letters at Haile Selassie for their freedom, an Oromo man.

Nothing changed today and when Tigrai is defeated you know the Oromo and Amhara are back---Menelik and Makonnen.


The Ras

[Waachis]

What did I lie about, then? Prove me wrong, do not just say i'm lying, otherwise you're just making useless claims.
i know ethiopia very well. i know the somali region very well. i know that the ogaden are no more than 40-50% of the total 6-7 million somali population inside ethiopia. i also know they're not the only somali clan or group living there either, hence the reason the ESDL was formed in the past [to avoid ogadeni-hegemony].
yes tigray rules the entire country. water is also wet. this is common sense, you are not saying anything new/or something we do not already know.
and if u want one clan of somalis to dominate the others, then do not complain when ethiopia or others arm one clan to fight the others via divide and conquer and do not complain if somalis seem to be hopelessly divided (despite having 1 religion, 1 language, etc).


https://books.google.com/books?id=oveCB ... ia&f=false

it mentions the darood living in the ogaden, the hawiye in the ogaden/ethiopia-somali region, the dir, isaaq.
and of course there are more. do not deny their presence just because they're not as strong numerically as you the ogadenis.
ras makonnen was never muslim, you're thinking of ras ali of wollo/or someone else. and he did not go to arsi to cut breasts, he was not the leader of that army, that was ras darghe the uncle of menelik. you cannot win debating my own history with me kid go play with your uneducated friends.
he was in harar all the time fool. he administered it. haile selassie, his son, grew up there riding horses and speaking multiple languages.
and the oromo have been occupied since 1889, which is a little over 100 years, not 300 years. don't let you anger and hatred make you a liar, it only makes you look stupid and childish. i have never lied about anyone, even my enemies. alhamdulilah.
and somalia was divided and occupied by over 3 european powers AND ETHIOPIA LOL so get out of here pretending as if you were never colonized.