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i took the national geographic dna test a few years back when dna testing was popular here. this was my result :E1b1b-V32 13 24 11 10 15 17 11 12 11 13 12 30

i don't have access to it anymore which is too bad.

http://isogg.org/tree/2011/ISOGG_HapgrpE11.html

2011 y-dna haplogroup E and its subclades, under their current classification, your results would be E-V13.

But under the previous one, you would be E-V32, hence why the 2009 paper you cited uses the old label for E-V32.

MrSinister wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm i took the national geographic dna test a few years back when dna testing was popular here. this was my result :E1b1b-V32 13 24 11 10 15 17 11 12 11 13 12 30

i don't have access to it anymore which is too bad.

You must be MJ, your STR's are exactly the same as Cinque Mtume and Ghost's on the James Dahl spreadsheet.

zumaale wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:14 pm

MrSinister wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm i took the national geographic dna test a few years back when dna testing was popular here. this was my result :E1b1b-V32 13 24 11 10 15 17 11 12 11 13 12 30

i don't have access to it anymore which is too bad.

You must be MJ, your STR's are exactly the same as Cinque Mtume and Ghost's on the James Dahl spreadsheet.

Yes, i'm MJ. I'm ghost on that spreadsheet. What does the STR's mean?

MrSinister wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:17 pm

zumaale wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:14 pm

MrSinister wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm i took the national geographic dna test a few years back when dna testing was popular here. this was my result :E1b1b-V32 13 24 11 10 15 17 11 12 11 13 12 30

i don't have access to it anymore which is too bad.

You must be MJ, your STR's are exactly the same as Cinque Mtume and Ghost's on the James Dahl spreadsheet.

Yes, i'm MJ. I'm ghost on that spreadsheet. What does the STR's mean?

Short Tandem Repeats, don't ask me to ekaborate cos it is more complex than what I know.

However, it is used in y-dna tests to determine how closely related two males are. The more STR matches that two males of a similar haplogroup possess, the closer they are related.

You and Cinque have an exact match for 12. Both of you are MJ, are you Cumar Maxamud too? This shows that you probably possess a fairly recent common male ancestor but testing for more STR's or a full y-dna test would further illuminate the closeness of your kinship.

Interesting. I'm maxamoud salebaan but not cumar maxamoud. maybe there is some truth to the clan myths at least at the sub subclan level.

MrSinister wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm i took the national geographic dna test a few years back when dna testing was popular here. this was my result :E1b1b-V32 13 24 11 10 15 17 11 12 11 13 12 30

i don't have access to it anymore which is too bad.

homie you fucked up. I have your DNA now.

zumaale wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:07 pm http://isogg.org/tree/2011/ISOGG_HapgrpE11.html

2011 y-dna haplogroup E and its subclades, under their current classification, your results would be E-V13.

But under the previous one, you would be E-V32, hence why the 2009 paper you cited uses the old label for E-V32.

So does that invalidate the paper I quoted?

Damn, all this time I am running around the forum claiming majority beesha E, I turned out to be the langaab cousin no one wants to talk to

Fuck you PNH, what have you done!

In all seriousness though, is there much difference between the two hablogroups?

I ask because Nugaal appears as one of my relatives on 23andme, albeit not a 1st or second cousin, but 3rd to distant, though I understand this is probably maternally.

My results are 42% middle eastern
37% North African
14% cushite
6% africa southeastern bantu

Ben Dover wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:47 pm

zumaale wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:07 pm http://isogg.org/tree/2011/ISOGG_HapgrpE11.html

2011 y-dna haplogroup E and its subclades, under their current classification, your results would be E-V13.

But under the previous one, you would be E-V32, hence why the 2009 paper you cited uses the old label for E-V32.

So does that invalidate the paper I quoted?

Damn, all this time I am running around the forum claiming majority beesha E, I turned out to be the langaab cousin no one wants to talk to

Fuck you PNH, what have you done!

In all seriousness though, is there much difference between the two hablogroups?

I ask because Nugaal appears as one of my relatives on 23andme, albeit not a 1st or second cousin, but 3rd to distant, though I understand this is probably maternally.

Bro 23andme still uses the outdated system.They gave me the same exact Y-DNA result as you and as do majority of Somalis on 23andme except the langaab T folks or the one or two J1s

It's time to for you to accept your cushite ancestors walaal.We originated from South Egypt/Northern sudan and conquered the horn around 8-10,000 years ago

PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 pm Paternal Haplo group

E- V32

Maternal Haplo group

L2a1j

99.0% East African
0.2% Broadly sub Saharan
0.2 Middle Eastern/ North African
0.1% Southern European
0.1 South East Asian/ Native American
0.4 unassigned

I also have 99.0% less Neanderthal than average..

E- V32 is Eb1 it origanted in North Africa.

99.0% East African? Is that even possible?

Bella18 wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:53 am

PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 pm Paternal Haplo group

E- V32

Maternal Haplo group

L2a1j

99.0% East African
0.2% Broadly sub Saharan
0.2 Middle Eastern/ North African
0.1% Southern European
0.1 South East Asian/ Native American
0.4 unassigned

I also have 99.0% less Neanderthal than average..

E- V32 is Eb1 it origanted in North Africa.

99.0% East African? Is that even possible?

Yes actually, most, if not all, ethnic Somalis get 98%-99% East African on 23andMe. That's why I don't really like using them. They don't actually tell you anything new, like what country you're most likely to come from. Nor does it show the Ethio-Somali DNA present in Somalis and other HOA groups.

I would recommend using National Geographic or Ancestry, even though the latter doesn't have a reference for HOA it can still give you a decent breakdown.

Ben Dover got E-V13? Weird.

Zumale & Ben i can't see my Str on 23&me...

Ben lol you are E- V32 now? Is that u lol

Bella yeah i got that...

Sahibzada wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:04 am
It's time to for you to accept your cushite ancestors walaal.We originated from South Egypt/Northern sudan and conquered the horn around 8-10,000 years ago

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/namoratun ... servatory/

The combined Eastern Cushites (Oromo with Samaale and Konso) were present at Namoratunga in Kenya in 300 BC. This would have been before the separation several hundred years later. when the Oromo and Samaale began moving north into the Horn.

The evidence agrees with you about southern Egypt and the Sudan, (as an intermediate phase) but where do you get the 8-10,000 year figures?

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordp ... re/page/4/

"Dates of definitely domesticated cattle on North Africa.

Capeletti, Northern Algeria 6,530 BP

Fayum, Northern Egypt 6,400 BP

Merimde, Northern Egypt ,6,000 BP

Ti- Torha North, Sahara, 5970 BP

Sheep and goats are from the Levant, definitely no earlier than 6,000 BP. and none of these reached the South until later. The rock art of the Sahara divides into these periods:

‘Large Wild Fauna Period’, 12,000 BP - c 6,000
BP
‘Round Head Period’, 9,500 BP - c 7,000 BP
‘Pastoral Period’ 7,200+ BP - 3,000 BP and pos-
sibly later
‘Horse and Libyan-Warrior Period’, 3,200 BP
– c 1,000 BP
‘Camel Period’, 2,000 BP – c 1,000 BP and later

http://africanrockart.org/wp-content/up ... -proof.pdf

The Berber mutation that produced the Cushites and others is ancient, but African pastoralism cannot be older than 7,200 years, and 10,000 years ago folks probably had little reason to leave the Sahara. The Cushitic kingdoms of Kush, Kerma, Napata and Meroe were contemporaneous with Pharoanic Egypt and actually ruled Egypt for over a hundred years. Meroe survived into the Common Era. So I think you are pushing the Cushitic migrations way too far into the past.

Sahibzada wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:04 am
Bro 23andme still uses the outdated system.They gave me the same exact Y-DNA result as you and as do majority of Somalis on 23andme except the langaab T folks or the one or two J1s

It's time to for you to accept your cushite ancestors walaal.We originated from South Egypt/Northern sudan and conquered the horn around 8-10,000 years ago

I fully embrace my cushite ancestors, I do not believe in the Arab myth sxb.

I was just thinking I belong to a different E hablogroup based on what they gave me. So on 23andme are you E1b1b1a1b too?

PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:29 am Zumale & Ben i can't see my Str on 23&me...

Ben lol you are E- V32 now? Is that u lol

Bella yeah i got that...

Prince you can download your entire results and sift through them, top right corner click on the drop down menu and choose browse raw data.

Could you also confirm that you are E1b1b1a1b on 23andme? Look at the screenshot I have attached in the previous page, does your page match mine?