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[Y15945]

I need you to clarify a few things please.

Are you saying that all the Somalis in the DNA Project of yours have a TMRCA of 4000 based on your calculations? If so that is too small a sample bro and not all have done the Y-67 test.

Are they from all clans that possess E-V32? What is the SNP clan breakdown and do you have the SNP's of any other African E-V32's.

Lastly, are the Arab E-V32 carriers on FTDNA, the same ones found in the following set of results https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3 ... e=yresults ? If so, I counted less than 20? Am I missing any bro or are other results to be found in the SNP page?

TIGRE: In Trombetta's 2015 study, 60 percent of them were found to be E-V32 but a larger sample would be more definitive as they only tested 5 of them.

Lastly, have you by any chance done a TMRCA for Somali HG T carriers and any idea as to which population they are closer to.

Yes the TMRCA was from the project. It more of an exercise to see what can be done with a small sample.

SNP breakdown - Only 1 guy in the project has done any snp downstream of CTS10314/Y15945, He is Z813+(unknown clan, but str's lead me to believe Darod). There is a HJ who is also Z813+. And another Somali on YFull who is Z813+. I havent tested for Z813 directly, but I'm Y18355- and Z809- which lead me to believe I'm Z813- but in reality could also be Z813*. I have some SNP's on order so everything should be clear within a few months.

V32's are dotted around different projects, here is one with a lot of V32. A few have decided to hide their results from non-members so you might not see all of them. There is a little overlap https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1 ... n=yresults

HG T - 1 HY and 1 Warsangeli(no str's) and 1 unkown(Somali) and 1 Oromo.

Straight comparison between the two Somali T's using this http://www.moseswalker.com/mrca/calculator.asp?q=2

Gives a TMRCA of 1000 years.

The Oromo man is actually closer to the Somali T HY than I am to some Darood V32. All T in Horn probably is related, and represents the same migration.

Firstly, thanks for your cooperation.

The sample you are working with is relatively small bro but combined with the numerous E-V32 markers that can be found in Hallenberg, you might be on to something in regard to TMRCA. Y-full tests and 111 STR test results would settle the debate nonetheless.

Even in the other link you provided, the number of Middle Eastern E-V32's is still too small and unsurprisingly there are a lot of Africans there. Furthermore, the similarity between the African STR's and those of some Gulf countries are very close matches which may indicate a recent common ancestor. How many of them are descendants of naturalised Africans or have distant African ancestry? For instance, you have individuals from Chad, Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia matching the 12 STR's of Gulf samples. Like I have previously stated there has been a lot of movement between the Horn, Sudan, Egypt and Arabia throughout modern history. Try and obtain the SNP's of those Sudanese, Chadians, Egyptians, Kenyans and Ethiopians to get a clearer picture. It will be also interesting to find out which of these groups, the Somali E-V32 carriers are related to and whether they are even closer to any of these groups than they are to each other. Any thoughts in regard to this?

Soto on FTDNA is Arsi bro, those Bale folk have entire subclans that descend from Somalis. It is no surprise that he is a close match to the HY T sample as it confirms he is of recent Somali ancestry Check this book out if you ever get a chance, it will highlight how Somalis and Oromos such as the Arsi both assimilated each other into their clan system : Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays. DNA is only starting to unravel things, people should not be insecure but embrace it even though it destroys certain myths like the Hashemite one.

I'm not sure how many you can see but I'm counting approx. 50 middle easterners (excluding Egypt, Libya)

This is why SNP testing is superior to STR testing. STR testing should be reserved for proving relationships and only at high numbers (67 markers+) imo. There are many that match very close to somalis ( esp. at 12 marker level) but are very far removed when it comes to SNP's they share. It's why I take STR's with a pinch of salt.

Good info to know about the Arsi, it all makes sense. Thanks.

[zumaale]

I counted around 40, how many of those have SNP's? I already stated that an SNP analysis would shed more light on whether they have relations with some African E-V32's but the number of SNP samples you possesss are limited. Do you have the SNP's for any of the other Africans that I requested bro?

I looked at Soto's info again, dude, he is not that closely related to the Somali with more STR's. An SNP would also have been helpful.

You also stated that you are closer to some Daroods more than others. How did you come to that conclusion? STR?

[Y15945]

I counted around 40, how many of those have SNP's? I already stated that an SNP analysis would shed more light on whether they have relations with some African E-V32's but the number of SNP samples you possesss are limited. Do you have the SNP's for any of the other Africans that I requested bro?

I looked at Soto's info again, dude, he is not that closely related to the Somali with more STR's. An SNP would also have been helpful.

You also stated that you are closer to some Daroods more than others. How did you come to that conclusion? STR?

Gulfers - 15 tested downstream - 0% Z813.
Egyptians 6 tested - 16% Z813
Sudanese 2 tested - 50% Z813
Somalis 3 tested - 100% Z813

From what I see no other Africans have tested.

I can see soto doesn't match closely with the other man. There could be lots of reason. Maybe geographical distance. The Somali T could be from way East Somalia or something. I only compared how he matches closer to a HY T than I do to some daaroods.

And yes I used that by comparing STR's, because that's the best I have right now. The SNP's currently known of any use to V32 somalis are around 5000 years old (I.e Z813). To check how closely you are related to others, lots of people will have needed to tested BigY or Y Elite, because there you will discover, new private SNP when analysed can give better TMRCA values.